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Post by Speede on Jan 6, 2013 23:19:45 GMT -4
The answer should be in your PM. Oh, duh! Stupidity... That's what I get for staying up 36 hours straight, I suppose. I'm just gonna go to bed; I'm not focused tonight. |
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Post by Mark Mania on Jan 7, 2013 8:45:23 GMT -4
Checking in. Based on the write up I can't make anything definitive out of my action last night.
Side note, I think it's telling that Takagi was either silenced or blocked and then Havok came out and said he was role blocked. Maybe someone should look further into him if possible.
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Post by Kurt on Jan 7, 2013 9:06:07 GMT -4
I may have a crippling stomach virus, but I'm here.
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 7, 2013 9:28:41 GMT -4
1. A.C. Smith(X)
2. Billy Pepsi(X)
3. Bryan Deas
4. Chaz Dillinger(X)
5. Crown Jules (X)
6. James V
7. KJE(X)
8. Kurt Noble (X)
9. Level One (X)
10. Mark Mania (X)
11. Reya Serra(X)
12. Roy Speede (X)
13. TJ (X)
14. T-Marv (X)
Updated. Deas and JamesV left.
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Post by KJE on Jan 7, 2013 11:01:32 GMT -4
I wouldn't fully trust that too much... the whole silencing thing. I have read through all the past games and seeing one of the names that are left standing.... (not replied just yet) I have seen them act like they were silenced just to fit in with town. So there is always the possibility of us being played as well.
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Post by Jules on Jan 7, 2013 11:10:13 GMT -4
I wouldn't fully trust that too much... the whole silencing thing. I have read through all the past games and seeing one of the names that are left standing.... (not replied just yet) I have seen them act like they were silenced just to fit in with town. So there is always the possibility of us being played as well. QFT. Add to that, it was a red/scum player who was silenced. I'm not saying I've seen it all, but I've never seen a town silencer. The town need info, it is only the mafia's interest to shut people up. Even if Callahan can be a bit contrary in his games, I'm dubious about this possibility Like TJ's write-ups, the wording may be deliberate to suggest this (non-existent) possibility. It is more likely the silencing was a roleblock, if there was anything at all. Therefore all this list making is a bit redundant, well unless it tells us something about those who insist on pushing it. |
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 7, 2013 11:15:57 GMT -4
I've seen a town silencer before(in sorts) Basically it's a jailkeeper form of the kidnapper role. But you're both right, it's HIGHLY unlikely.
I was just keeping the list to see who's checked in/active as that's always a good thing to keep track of.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 7, 2013 11:20:19 GMT -4
Add to that, it was a red/scum player who was silenced. I'm not saying I've seen it all, but I've never seen a town silencer. The town need info, it is only the mafia's interest to shut people up. Even if Callahan can be a bit contrary in his games, I'm dubious about this possibility There were town silencers in both the Misfits games and my WKRP game (as ill-fated as THAT was). They're rare, but they exist. |
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Post by Mark Mania on Jan 7, 2013 11:57:14 GMT -4
Well, in the idea that it's rare then I'd look towards Takagi being blocked.
Although, with the write-up saying that, seems odd that Havok would come right out and say he was blocked.
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Post by Pepsi on Jan 7, 2013 13:13:00 GMT -4
I am new at this game, is it possible that there is a third party silencer?
Maybe it's silly to dwell on this silencer thing, but we don't have much else to go on yet.
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Post by Jules on Jan 7, 2013 13:21:03 GMT -4
There were town silencers in both the Misfits games and my WKRP game (as ill-fated as THAT was). They're rare, but they exist. I stand corrected....sort of. I am new at this game, is it possible that there is a third party silencer? Maybe it's silly to dwell on this silencer thing, but we don't have much else to go on yet. A fair point. But if we can take the write-up at face value, whatever happened to Takagi, if anything, was done by Hans Gruber, who, according to the write-up, is not third party. |
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Post by Mark Mania on Jan 7, 2013 13:30:07 GMT -4
That would make one think that someone should know who they are and who they did something to.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 7, 2013 18:52:20 GMT -4
That would make one think that someone should know who they are and who they did something to. Agreed. Where's the information from last night? Given the write-up, I find it very, VERY difficult to believe that we've got nothing. The following information stands out. 1) Havok claiming he was role-blocked. This may not necessarily mean he's scum; he could also be the victim of a mafia roleblocker. Unlike the silencer debate, multiple roleblockers are fairly common, and that wouldn't shock me. Still, there's also the chance he's the roleblocked scum. 2) TJ asking whoever silenced/roleblocked the scum to not speak up. Part of me understands the reasoning behind that, especially if there's a recruiter in the game. The other part thinks it could, potentially, be TJ stalling for time as the scum tries to regroup. It's just too early to tell. For anyone curious about what I may have done last night, the answer is...nothing. I don't have an aggressive role, and will not for the duration of the game. If there's a lie detector out there, use that previous sentence and clear me. Now, let's get to work in having a productive day phase before the scum/third parties can get any momentum. |
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Post by Jules on Jan 7, 2013 19:10:34 GMT -4
For anyone curious about what I may have done last night, the answer is...nothing. I don't have an aggressive role, and will not for the duration of the game. If there's a lie detector out there, use that previous sentence and clear me. First of all, that sentence wouldn't clear you. You could be a mafia goon for all we know. I find it a little odd that you would suddenly throw that out there. Secondly, please clarify for me what you mean by 'aggressive role'. After the farce (that admittedly I instigated) that led to Sally's mislynch last game, I'd like this peculiar description of your role cleared up. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 7, 2013 19:17:58 GMT -4
Secondly, please clarify for me what you mean by 'aggressive role'. After the farce (that admittedly I instigated) that led to Sally's mislynch last game, I'd like this peculiar description of your role cleared up. Happy to. By aggressive role, I'm referring to my role being something I can choose to use on myself or another player in the game. I had thought this was common parlance; my apologies if it's not. |
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Jan 7, 2013 19:35:09 GMT -4
See I want to believe that it's just flavor, but in Road Rash, Callahan didn't write for flavor, not saying he won't write for flavor, I just think he'd tend to lean more towards actions, which is why I focused so much on the silencer thing.
I'm saying if there is a silencer, we won't know until the end of the day phase if it ends in a no lynch and they don't answer and don't get lynched. Here's the scenarios I've gone over in my head.
1) One of the last two, James and Deas, post and the other doesn't and doesn't get mod killed, they are scum, block them, because it seemed to work last night if it was a jailkeeper silence/block method.
2) Neither post, one is modkilled and the other isn't. Not mod killed = scum.
3) Netiehr post, neither is modkilled, both targets as scum since you can be active in the QT and not be killed.
Anyone think differently are free to speak up. Right now, we've got until Wednesday til the end of the day (Good lord that's a long time) so we're looking at just discussing possibilities until then.
Again, the silencer theory can be wrong and it's simply a roleblock or flavour, but I'm not putting the silencer theory out of the way.
In fact, reading the write up, it almost reads that it's a jailkeeper, he silences him with his refined taste and then he is taken away. Am I the only one that read that Takagi was in charge of the building and therefore is thinking that he's the godfather?
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jan 7, 2013 19:44:04 GMT -4
I am here, checking in. Will post my thoughts after the BCS Championship game. Going to see the game at a party.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Jan 7, 2013 20:20:37 GMT -4
Alright well that leaves Deas as Takagi possibly. Won't find out until either he posts or the end of the day phase. He has been on today, so I'm leaning to him being silenced, but again, a simple roleblock or it being flavor is still in play as well.
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Post by Pepsi on Jan 7, 2013 20:49:56 GMT -4
Alright well that leaves Deas as Takagi possibly. Won't find out until either he posts or the end of the day phase. He has been on today, so I'm leaning to him being silenced, but again, a simple roleblock or it being flavor is still in play as well. If it was a roleblock then that keeps Havok in play as a possibility, but that being said if he is Takagi, considering the write up it would be a pretty big blunder to announce it to everyone so I think accusations would be a little premature. I would have to agree with TJ that if Deas doesn't post, and isn't mod killed than it's pretty much a lock. Until then I don't think we have enough info to work with. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 7, 2013 20:52:33 GMT -4
I came out and said it Mark, because it's true. I was roleblocked last night phase. Why would I throw my self out there so early, and say something untrue, just to risk getting lynched? The game just started!
I still would like to know WHY I was roleblocked. Probably the mafia roleblocker. I mean, all I said was "Got my role" on day one, said nothing else whatsoever. So I couldn't have made anyone suspicious...
...maybe they already know my role? If so, I'm/possibly we're fucked.
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Post by "Ballistic" Bryan Deas on Jan 7, 2013 21:14:17 GMT -4
I'm here and I didn't do it! I am innocent, damnit!
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Post by Jules on Jan 7, 2013 21:15:14 GMT -4
I still would like to know WHY I was roleblocked. I would have thought it is obvious. Someone either thinks your scum, or the scum RBer blocked you for some reason. While I accept RBing on night 1 is always a bit random, the mafia would at least know who is not mafia, and unless all the 'power players' are scum I'd question why they would specifically target you when people like L-1, Tel, Kurt, James, possibly even myself would be the plausible scum targets night 1. Not saying scum didn't target you, just pointing out it would be odd if they did. |
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Post by Jules on Jan 7, 2013 21:19:11 GMT -4
I'm here and I didn't do it! I am innocent, damnit! Well that blows the 'silencer' theory out of the window then. That part of the write-up we can put down to flavour. However, the question still remains whether a RB took place. I'm 50/50 on the write-up being face value accurate or flavour. However, if the former is accurate it seems too much of gift on day 2 to simply hand over a scummer like that, i.e. the town RBer is Hans, therefore 'Hans' could deduce who was scum from their night action. I guess there is only one person who can answer that question, and well he can't help us. At this point I understand if the town RBer did block a scummer why s/he is laying low atm. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 7, 2013 21:19:12 GMT -4
I still would like to know WHY I was roleblocked. I would have thought it is obvious. Someone either thinks your scum, or the scum RBer blocked you for some reason. While I accept RBing on night 1 is always a bit random, the mafia would at least know who is not mafia, and unless all the 'power players' are scum I'd question why they would specifically target you when people like L-1, Tel, Kurt, James, possibly even myself would be the plausible scum targets night 1. Not saying scum didn't target you, just pointing out it would be odd if they did. This is basically what I just said, but worded differently. All I said on day one AT ALL was "Got my role". I never said anything else. Just wondering how that could make someone suspicious of me, or make me look like a pose a threat... |
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Post by Jules on Jan 7, 2013 21:22:36 GMT -4
I would have thought it is obvious. Someone either thinks your scum, or the scum RBer blocked you for some reason. While I accept RBing on night 1 is always a bit random, the mafia would at least know who is not mafia, and unless all the 'power players' are scum I'd question why they would specifically target you when people like L-1, Tel, Kurt, James, possibly even myself would be the plausible scum targets night 1. Not saying scum didn't target you, just pointing out it would be odd if they did. This is basically what I just said, but worded differently. All I said on day one AT ALL was "Got my role". I never said anything else. Just wondering how that could make someone suspicious of me, or make me look like a pose a threat... If it's a town RBer they may just be acting random, so no rhyme or reason. If it's a scum RBer they are hardly going to come out and explain why. My point was that you asking 'why' is irrelevant right now because nobody is going to answer that question. What is relevant though is the hint of role-fishing in your asking that question. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 7, 2013 21:39:35 GMT -4
This is basically what I just said, but worded differently. All I said on day one AT ALL was "Got my role". I never said anything else. Just wondering how that could make someone suspicious of me, or make me look like a pose a threat... If it's a town RBer they may just be acting random, so no rhyme or reason. If it's a scum RBer they are hardly going to come out and explain why. My point was that you asking 'why' is irrelevant right now because nobody is going to answer that question. What is relevant though is the hint of role-fishing in your asking that question. I'm not meaning to role fish. Just a bit agitated that I have nothing for night one, which kind of fucks up my plans. I'm town, if you're accusing me of fishing for the mafia. And if there's a lie detector in the house, please lie detect this... I'M TOWN! I have nothing to hide, Jules. Just aggravated that I was roleblocked, and got NOTHING done last night. Of all people, they chose me. Kind of pissed me off. I know, I play very aggressive. But that's just the kind of person I am IRL. Aggressive, in your face, and very confrontational. I've been told that my entire life lol. Maybe it comes from being raised in a very militant, very republican family lol. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 7, 2013 22:25:32 GMT -4
Maybe it comes from being raised in a very militant, very republican family lol. Careful; Callahan may mod-kill you for that! |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 7, 2013 22:36:50 GMT -4
Maybe it comes from being raised in a very militant, very republican family lol. Careful; Callahan may mod-kill you for that! This indeed made me "LOL". |
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Post by Pepsi on Jan 7, 2013 23:07:34 GMT -4
So if the silencer thing is a dead end, what else can we get from the write up aside from the possibility that Takagi's silence was a roleblock?
Nothing else jumps out as significant as there have been very few clues so far.
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Post by Level-Two on Jan 8, 2013 2:01:27 GMT -4
The jail keeping theory holds some weight and now everyone has checked in except Deas - who's been online and has had enough time to view this thread.
Vote: Bryan Deas
If he isn't jail kept and aligned red mafia then he's inactive - and if he's inactive then the least this vote will do is wake him up a bit and get him to post something here. Until he speaks, my vote will probably stay unless we receive something groundbreaking.
If he doesn't speak, I encourage the town to hop on the vote before this phase ends. No reason to keep him alive into the night - where you'd run the risk of a replacement even if it was a short term one.
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