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Post by Mark Mania on Jan 15, 2013 15:52:46 GMT -4
So are we saying we want to vote off the new guy?
Because whether he's McClane or purple, we want to get rid of him. Obviously it's a gamble, but, I think it's one I'm willing to take.
Vote: Domingo
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 15, 2013 16:03:44 GMT -4
Personally, while I don't object to a Domingo vote, I'd like to wait for more players to check in. We're still very early on in the day phase, and there's no reason to not give anyone with information time to come forward with it.
If nothing materializes by later tonight, I'll likely be voting for Domingo, but I have to say I almost feel bad doing it; if he's scum, BOY did he inherit a bad situation.
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Post by Pepsi on Jan 15, 2013 16:12:40 GMT -4
Is it a common practice to replace mafia players rather than having them mod killed for inactivity, or is this a strange case?
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Jan 15, 2013 16:41:58 GMT -4
I think it was early enough for Callahan to justify it, but at the end of the day, it's his call modkill vs replacement.
I believe the last two characters, the Johnsons, were revealed. So we're at 7/2/1/1.
I've got something different in terms of night results last night. The previous two nights I got the same result, but last night, I got the same result, but it was worded differently. I'm not sure of what exactly to make of it.
Reading the write up, I'm starting ot think that Holly McCLaine is a mafia Roleblocker, and they found McCaine and instead of outting him to make sure that they have a town claim, they're keeping stoping him from killing, again I'm reading into this too much, but that's my thought and what I took away from the write up.
I'm hesitant to lynch Domingo so quickly. I'd like to hear from others.
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Post by Jules on Jan 15, 2013 19:26:28 GMT -4
I find it peculiar that A.C. Smith was the first suggest Deas as a possible suspect at the start of the day, only to ease off on that front once the bandwagon got moving. That's the first thing to grab my attention.
As for McClane, couple of reasonable theories being handed out. TJ's RB seems plausible, but what about the line about McClane being there to save people. Could just be flavour, could be something more.
I got nothing else at this stage.
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Post by Jules on Jan 15, 2013 19:27:53 GMT -4
EBWOP
I find it especially concerning that votes are being thrown on Domingo before he has even had the chance to speak. Raise the possibilities you have, but voting for him on a supposition - really?
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Post by Level-Two on Jan 15, 2013 19:54:57 GMT -4
Is it a common practice to replace mafia players rather than having them mod killed for inactivity, or is this a strange case? There is higher probability of finding an actual replacement for a mafia member - than a townie. The reason is - the town can often survive with a mod kill but it's much more crippling to the game and makes the game unbalanced if the Mafia loses a member due to inactivity. I'm not saying either way as far as Domingo is concerned. In fact, it's redundant. This is just to answer your question as there is much better circumstantial evidence to work off of. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 15, 2013 20:07:41 GMT -4
I find it peculiar that A.C. Smith was the first suggest Deas as a possible suspect at the start of the day, only to ease off on that front once the bandwagon got moving. That's the first thing to grab my attention. As for McClane, couple of reasonable theories being handed out. TJ's RB seems plausible, but what about the line about McClane being there to save people. Could just be flavour, could be something more. I got nothing else at this stage. So wait a minute. Me saying that I'd likely vote for him later if no further information presented itself, and only holding off so other players could check in with information they may have had, is a red flag? I don't follow. |
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 15, 2013 20:16:01 GMT -4
Jules....
Don't completely out yourself.... Did you use an action last night, yes or no?
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Post by Jules on Jan 15, 2013 20:28:34 GMT -4
Jules.... Don't completely out yourself.... Did you use an action last night, yes or no? No. I have nothing but my own personal observations in this game. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 15, 2013 20:57:17 GMT -4
Okay, so here it goes...
Used my night action on A.C. Smith, since he stuck his foot in his mouth yesterday. What I got back, was very interesting. Someone protected Smith last night. Now, that tells me that the mafia knew Smith stuck his foot in his mouth, and would be targeted. Therefore...
Vote: A.C. Smith
This is the most solid thing we have to go on, and if we nail this scum, we take the proverbial lead. I'll probably be dead soon, so please, town, trust me.
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 15, 2013 21:02:35 GMT -4
Wait, WHAT?
Since he was protected, you're voting for him? do you mean Doctor Protect, or something else.
I don't get how JUST BECAUSE he was protected means he is scum?
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 15, 2013 21:25:01 GMT -4
Okay, so here it goes... Used my night action on A.C. Smith, since he stuck his foot in his mouth yesterday. What I got back, was very interesting. Someone protected Smith last night. Now, that tells me that the mafia knew Smith stuck his foot in his mouth, and would be targeted. Therefore... Vote: A.C. SmithThis is the most solid thing we have to go on, and if we nail this scum, we take the proverbial lead. I'll probably be dead soon, so please, town, trust me. T-Marv said it best: Wait, WHAT?! None of what you said makes ANY logical sense. You've played off-the-wall this entire game, and now you're assuming there's some mob doctor out there protecting me? Furthermore, how would you necessarily know I was protected, as opposed to just visited? This reeks. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 15, 2013 21:37:17 GMT -4
None of what you said makes ANY logical sense. You've played off-the-wall this entire game, and now you're assuming there's some mob doctor out there protecting me? Really? I've played off the wall? Can you back that up without using my vote on you, or that post, as reference? ...Didn't think so. I'll give you a chance to explain my "inconclusive" read on you. If you have no explanation, if no one steps up to say that they also targeted you (which could result in an inconclusive read), then my vote will stick. I'm convinced that scum protected you, because you stuck your foot in your mouth last day phase. Only logical explanation, if someone doesn't step up with a good reason why. No, I'm not fishing. I'm trying to make sense of this inconclusive read. I've been roleblocked before, and was told by admin that I was roleblocked... So I wasn't roleblocked last night. Someone protected you, and it had to have been your mafia buddies. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 15, 2013 21:43:27 GMT -4
I will respond to Chaz's post when I have some time to adequately express myself without taking attention away from the girls basketball game I'm covering for work. Stay tuned, folks; this'll be a doozy.
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 15, 2013 21:46:45 GMT -4
None of what you said makes ANY logical sense. You've played off-the-wall this entire game, and now you're assuming there's some mob doctor out there protecting me? Really? I've played off the wall? Can you back that up without using my vote on you, or that post, as reference? ...Didn't think so. I'll give you a chance to explain my "inconclusive" read on you. If you have no explanation, if no one steps up to say that they also targeted you (which could result in an inconclusive read), then my vote will stick. I'm convinced that scum protected you, because you stuck your foot in your mouth last day phase. Only logical explanation, if someone doesn't step up with a good reason why. No, I'm not fishing. I'm trying to make sense of this inconclusive read. I've been roleblocked before, and was told by admin that I was roleblocked... So I wasn't roleblocked last night. Someone protected you, and it had to have been your mafia buddies. Keep in mind, there are roles that give back "inconclusive" results. In fact, I got one last night with the role I used. Idk if I was role-blocked, or if the person couldn't be targeted with my role, or what. And no, I didn't target AC. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 15, 2013 22:03:16 GMT -4
I will respond to Chaz's post when I have some time to adequately express myself without taking attention away from the girls basketball game I'm covering for work. Stay tuned, folks; this'll be a doozy. Girls basketball? Wouldn't you rather be doing something more productive like oh, I don't know... Taking an acid bath? Bleaching your eyeballs? Or even castrating yourself with a butterknife? I kid, of course. Really? I've played off the wall? Can you back that up without using my vote on you, or that post, as reference? ...Didn't think so. I'll give you a chance to explain my "inconclusive" read on you. If you have no explanation, if no one steps up to say that they also targeted you (which could result in an inconclusive read), then my vote will stick. I'm convinced that scum protected you, because you stuck your foot in your mouth last day phase. Only logical explanation, if someone doesn't step up with a good reason why. No, I'm not fishing. I'm trying to make sense of this inconclusive read. I've been roleblocked before, and was told by admin that I was roleblocked... So I wasn't roleblocked last night. Someone protected you, and it had to have been your mafia buddies. Keep in mind, there are roles that give back "inconclusive" results. In fact, I got one last night with the role I used. Idk if I was role-blocked, or if the person couldn't be targeted with my role, or what. And no, I didn't target AC. I looked through roles that come up "inconclusive", and really couldn't find any that fit this game. So he's either A.) Mafia being protected by mafia... or B.) He's the third party, most likely the serial killer. This is my opinion. Maybe a more experienced player could elaborate for me? I'm still not convinced that he's town, haven't been since he fished me. That's why I targeted him to begin with. My vote will stick until this "doozy" takes place. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 15, 2013 23:20:08 GMT -4
Okeydoke, now that I've got a little time to lay out my thoughts on a computer screen instead of squinting at an iPhone, here goes. I'm still not convinced that he's town, haven't been since he fished me. That's why I targeted him to begin with. My vote will stick until this "doozy" takes place. I think, for better or for worse, your vote will stay on, though it's not for anything I've done or will do. Role claiming is not prohibited in this game. And given that I've long said I have a non-aggressive role in this game, what I'm about to say should not come as a shock. My role is a town commuter, and as such I cannot be killed on certain nights. I cannot provide investigative information, so my role isn't necessarily a "power" role, which is why I'm not hesitating in coming out with this. This explains why, in some instances, it may appear that I'm being protected. I don't know if anyone did protect me or not, but regardless, that's the story, and it's the truth. Now, about Chaz, why his vote on me will likely stay on, and why he's not going to like it. First of all, he's been trying to sandbag me for several day phases, including "confusing" me with Speede on day two. He's trying to set up a lynch on me, a town player, and has been laying the groundwork for it for several days. Secondly, he's come forward with a few pieces of information. He was roleblocked on night one, and whatever he decided to do on me last night didn't work. Here's the kicker: What hasn't happened the past few nights in this game? Answer: A third party kill. Maybe he was telling the truth about being roleblocked on night one. That makes sense. However, how else would he use his role on me and find out that I was being protected? My theory is that he tried to kill me, only he COULDN'T because I'm a commuter and immune from night-kills on certain nights. In conclusion: Ladies and gents, while I don't have hard evidence, I believe that, in addition to Domingo possibly being the cult leader, we may have found John McClane. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 15, 2013 23:44:56 GMT -4
Okeydoke, now that I've got a little time to lay out my thoughts on a computer screen instead of squinting at an iPhone, here goes. I'm still not convinced that he's town, haven't been since he fished me. That's why I targeted him to begin with. My vote will stick until this "doozy" takes place. I think, for better or for worse, your vote will stay on, though it's not for anything I've done or will do. Role claiming is not prohibited in this game. And given that I've long said I have a non-aggressive role in this game, what I'm about to say should not come as a shock. My role is a town commuter, and as such I cannot be killed on certain nights. I cannot provide investigative information, so my role isn't necessarily a "power" role, which is why I'm not hesitating in coming out with this. This explains why, in some instances, it may appear that I'm being protected. I don't know if anyone did protect me or not, but regardless, that's the story, and it's the truth. Now, about Chaz, why his vote on me will likely stay on, and why he's not going to like it. First of all, he's been trying to sandbag me for several day phases, including "confusing" me with Speede on day two. He's trying to set up a lynch on me, a town player, and has been laying the groundwork for it for several days. Secondly, he's come forward with a few pieces of information. He was roleblocked on night one, and whatever he decided to do on me last night didn't work. Here's the kicker: What hasn't happened the past few nights in this game? Answer: A third party kill. Maybe he was telling the truth about being roleblocked on night one. That makes sense. However, how else would he use his role on me and find out that I was being protected? My theory is that he tried to kill me, only he COULDN'T because I'm a commuter and immune from night-kills on certain nights. In conclusion: Ladies and gents, while I don't have hard evidence, I believe that, in addition to Domingo possibly being the cult leader, we may have found John McClane. This is cute, very cute. Problem 1 Really? Again, only one day phase, sweet cheeks. So this, is completely false. Anyone can read back and see this... Therefore, you're thinking we're stupid? Contrary to popular belief... Most players CAN read. They can also "go back" and re-read, which is what I beg everyone to do. Only since last day phase, sweetheart. Therefore, this is incorrect. Problem 2 Aside from the "several days" bullshit that I just squashed under my foot with FACT... I've been trying to "set you up for a lynch"? Seeing as how 2 hours ago, I placed my very first vote in this entire game? I FOS'ed you, just like L1 did. Nothing more. If you're that butt hurt about a FOS... Maybe you shouldn't play mafia... Because from the very beginning, everyone has everyone else FOS'ed. Problem 3 I'll answer that with this... I looked through roles that come up "inconclusive", and really couldn't find any that fit this game. So he's either A.) Mafia being protected by mafia... or B.) He's the third party, most likely the serial killer. Basically, what you just said is... "I'm the third party killer? No, YOU'RE the third party killer!" ...I play that game with my 4 year old daily. Nice prepubescent touch there, scooter. Problem 4 Yeah, because I would come out about targeting you, if I were looking to kill someone. You're kidding, right? Furthermore, if I were looking to kill you, my results would come back "inconclusive" rather than "kill failed", right? Makes no sense. Furthermore, I never said that I knew for sure you were being protected. I said "I think mafia protected you because you stuck your foot in your mouth". Now, you're putting words in my mouth, trying to turn people on me. Here, let me try that 4 year old approach... A.C. SMITH IS TRYING TO START A LYNCH ON ME, OH NO! ...Something like that, right? Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming... You're (as you called it) "theory", is just the same thing I was drawing up... A "theory". Therefore, I ask... Why are you so butt hurt? I've been nothing but honest since day one about my night phases, the only person in the game that has given all info about my every move, every night phase. Therefore, it's obvious that you're trying to B.S. your way out, to try and convince others that I'm the one that needs to go. I'm not buying into it. And I think that your approach is weak and played out. Problem 5 Girls basketball. |
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 15, 2013 23:48:33 GMT -4
First to Havok.... Somebody with the INVISIBLE role would come back with inconclusive. They can be either town or scum.
You're a Commuter?
First of all that IS AN AGGRESSIVE ROLE! And it's a POWER ROLE!
Who did you commute? All three nights..... This is pretty important! You don't have to out this info if you don't want, I'm not really fishing, but it could prove able to break a case I'm working on.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 15, 2013 23:48:35 GMT -4
You forgot Problem 6: That I'm telling the truth with my role-claim, and as such your entire lynch campaign is dead wrong.
Anyway, facts being what they are, Domingo's had his chance to chime in to defend himself and he hasn't yet. Looking back, Deas's inactivity and the lack of a purple presence in the write-ups is just too strong a link for me to ignore.
VOTE: Domingo
(huge) FOS: Chaz
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 15, 2013 23:52:15 GMT -4
You forgot Problem 6: That I'm telling the truth with my role-claim, and as such your entire lynch campaign is dead wrong. Anyway, facts being what they are, Domingo's had his chance to chime in to defend himself and he hasn't yet. Looking back, Deas's inactivity and the lack of a purple presence in the write-ups is just too strong a link for me to ignore. VOTE: Domingo
(huge) FOS: ChazThis, T-Marv, would be ignoring/avoiding. Come out with some info... Because I've been nothing but open with mine. So you're "third party" approach is... What was it you said? Oh yeah, "dead wrong". |
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 15, 2013 23:55:37 GMT -4
So far this feels like a screaming match between Havok and AC.
AC claims Commuter, an unusual role so it could be a safe claim. BTW, Commuter is often (not always) a Scum role. That claim doesn't prove your innocence.
Havok said his role was "UNUSUAL" as in it was odd, but also claims that his inconclusive on Smith proves that Smith is Scum.... I still don't see how.
Smith's vote on Domingo (trying to get the finger point off him) REEKS something feirce. Granted he said he'd probably vote him later, but if he were so hell bent on Havok being the SK then why would he vote on a hunch.... FISHY!
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 16, 2013 0:00:40 GMT -4
Perhaps my role was mistitled. Let me explain, and let me be very clear (or at least as clear as I can be).
With my role, I do not find any information. I do not see what someone else is doing, or what someone else has had done to them. I am merely unable to be killed on a night where I am commuting to one specific person. That's it, and that's all.
I don't know if I would be better described as a 'hider,' though to be fair, I do not know if other roles affect me when I'm commuting, so maybe that's not wholly accurate, either.
This, and the previous long post where I claimed my role and my theories on why I think (and still think; sorry, Chaz, you're not convincing me, especially since you think I was protected last night when nobody without a kill attempt probably would have seen it) Chaz is John McClane, are all I've got. If people still think I'm not telling the truth, I'll change my vote to myself, wait to be lynched, and give everyone a big, 'I told you so,' in the dead QT and feedback thread. That said, with the 7/2/1/1 setup we've got right now, we need a lot to go right very quickly, and I don't think that's the best thing for me to do at this point to help the town win this game.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 16, 2013 0:02:17 GMT -4
So far this feels like a screaming match between Havok and AC. AC claims Commuter, an unusual role so it could be a safe claim. BTW, Commuter is often (not always) a Scum role. That claim doesn't prove your innocence. Havok said his role was "UNUSUAL" as in it was odd, but also claims that his inconclusive on Smith proves that Smith is Scum.... I still don't see how. Smith's vote on Domingo (trying to get the finger point off him) REEKS something feirce. Granted he said he'd probably vote him later, but if he were so hell bent on Havok being the SK then why would he vote on a hunch.... FISHY! My vote on A.C. is simply explained. And I will explain it as clear as I can. Keep in mind... This is just MY OPINION/LOGIC. A.C. sticks his foot in his mouth last day phase. Mafia buddies then say "we need to protect him tonight, because someone will undoubtedly look into him". If he's telling the truth about his role, then the inconclusive results are explainable. However, I think he's lying through his teeth, and my explanation would be the only other logical explanation. Unless you have any other ideas, T-Marv? |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 16, 2013 0:05:19 GMT -4
(and still think; sorry, Chaz, you're not convincing me, especially since you think I was protected last night when nobody without a kill attempt probably would have seen it) Keyword (as if the bold and font size aren't enough)... THINK. So, you're saying I'm leading a lynch on you, have some personal vendetta, because I THINK something, is that right? ...boy, if the government knew what I THINK about them, they'd probably want me dead, too. |
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 16, 2013 0:05:25 GMT -4
Actually no other explaination is needed Havok....
I don't get how COMMUTING with somebody would protect you, kill or otherwise. I've been looking through all the different forms of the role and I just don't get it!
Perhaps you can help me understand AC....but your story is wearing pretty thin right now.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jan 16, 2013 0:09:48 GMT -4
Actually no other explaination is needed Havok.... I don't get how COMMUTING with somebody would protect you, kill or otherwise. I've been looking through all the different forms of the role and I just don't get it! Perhaps you can help me understand AC....but your story is wearing pretty thin right now. All I've got is what I posted above. And I wouldn't be pushing as hard, coming out, claiming my role, explaining each and every facet as I know it to be true, with ONE vote on me if I wasn't telling the truth. You guys are wasting your time. I'm town, have done nothing but try to clear my name (especially lately), and I've done it in the name of helping the town win the game. Like I said, if enough people think I'm lying and Chaz is telling the truth, I'll be happy to vote for myself, lynch myself, and show you guys, the hard way, that I'm town. At least then you'll know where to look next. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Jan 16, 2013 0:11:54 GMT -4
Actually no other explaination is needed Havok.... I don't get how COMMUTING with somebody would protect you, kill or otherwise. I've been looking through all the different forms of the role and I just don't get it! Perhaps you can help me understand AC....but your story is wearing pretty thin right now. All I've got is what I posted above. And I wouldn't be pushing as hard, coming out, claiming my role, explaining each and every facet as I know it to be true, with ONE vote on me if I wasn't telling the truth. You guys are wasting your time. I'm town, have done nothing but try to clear my name (especially lately), and I've done it in the name of helping the town win the game. Like I said, if enough people think I'm lying and Chaz is telling the truth, I'll be happy to vote for myself, lynch myself, and show you guys, the hard way, that I'm town. At least then you'll know where to look next. Yeah, you can look my way, because I THINK something. Because it's wrong for people to THINK something. Because we should all be drones, unable to THINK something. ...said Hitler. |
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Post by T-Marv on Jan 16, 2013 0:12:24 GMT -4
The only INFO you've come with is that you're a commuter. Tell me, specifically, how that clears you? I'm trying to give you the benifit of the doubt here smith. Fact is, you've come out with more info than Chaz/Havok so I'm almost more prone to believe you.... But one of you has to help me out. you're being extremely vague....repeating over and over how you've "cleared" your name, yet I just don't see it.
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