DIE HARD MAFIA DISCUSSION THREAD (DAY 8)

[A.C. Smith]

Here is why I still have a problem with Chaz/Havok. It goes back to one question that he either hasn't answered or has answered and I've missed it (entirely possible given the way this day phase has gone).

The question: How would he be able to use his night action and deduce that I was protected in some way, shape, or form before I came out and claimed my role?

I say this with zero snarkiness: If anyone has an answer beyond, "he has the capability to kill and the protection I had blocked it," I'd love to hear it.

[Jules]

Jan 16, 2013 10:33:49 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

BThere's night actions out there that can clear me.

Likewise. But you're still missing my point. I'm not saying Domingo is or is not town (or anti-town), I'm just willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt before we all push through a speedy lynch when there may still be something to be purchased in this day phase.

Like I said, the game naturally takes care of inactives, and if Domingo says nothing, or what he say is unsatisfactory, then we can lynch before the deadline, or he will be mod-killed.

This is not about me saying this lynch should not happen period, I'm saying it should not happen now. Let's exhaust all the possibilities BEFORE we go ahead. If this hunch, supposition, whatever you want to call it is the only option at the end of the day, fine, but until then, I don't agree with the rationale for doing it prematurely.

[Jules]

Jan 16, 2013 11:34:11 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

The question: How would he be able to use his night action and deduce that I was protected in some way, shape, or form before I came out and claimed my role?

My assumption would be that he guessed because he couldn't get a clear read on you (if he's legit). But only Havok can qualify what he meant by 'protected'. As you know, I tend to stick to the conventional definitions of mafia vocabulary, so if someone says 'x was protected I automatically think doctor', but Havok may be playing according to some other standard.

To my knowledge, there are watcher variants that tell what actions was performed on a target, e.g. X was protected, without saying who performed the action, but Havok said he got an 'inconclusive', so he can't have that role.

Plus, our watcher is dead.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Pepsi brings up a great point. Maybe Chaz is baiting someone to follow him tonite but maybe he feels his word won't be enough which says more about him than it does about us. He revealed his role in batman, and I know I keep meta gaming but its the only thing I have to go off of really.

But, my point is that he as open as soon as he used his power.

Chaz u got blocked night 1 and used it on AC night 3 what about night 2? I know you said that is odd and unusual but who did u use it on

[The Soul Of Philly]

Also the reason why I'm asking is because of your uncertainty day 2 about your role and now your gung-honess about it day 3.

[A.C. Smith]

Callahan: Any chance we could get an updated vote count?

[Kurt]

We're at 5 of 6.

Personally, I still think the vote on Domingo is a waste; sure, the lack of appearances leans towards him being a purple, but I can say that's not the only oddity as far as characters go. Can't say anymore because of Callahan's super-strict limitations on character-claiming. It's a conversation I'd rather not have.

Yet, I'm aware that these no-lynches aren't exactly getting us anywhere. I'd love to just see him get mod-killed, but if Callahan can find another replacement, that may be delayed.

The majority clearly wants Domingo gone; I'll oblige that for the sake of the game. Yeah, I don't like it, but it's not all about me.

I'll hammer shortly before the deadline in case no one else wants to. I'd still like to eait for Chaz's response about Night 2, just for the sake of information.

As far as Chaz, Jules, and Smith, here's what i think:

- Chaz is town. He's making way too much noise, and inviting too many night actions upon himself. Typical Mafia players tend to avoid phrases like "Investigate me...I'm town!" unless they have a plan that'll counter night actions. With third-party still abound though, I don;'t see this being a good idea.

- Verdict's still out on AC Smith for me; seems town enough to me, but I'd put Chaz above him.

- Funnily enough, I agree with Jules about his point on JamesV: This is usually the point that JamesV is ripping into people. Every time I've played Mafia with him, he's quiet as can be. Literally, his own words are that he plays aggressively when town. Is it a concrete reason for a vote? Hell no. It does deserve a notice though...after this Chaz situation is resolved.

As for Jules himself, I can never get a read on this guy. He's playing a little more aggressive than normal; he always blends when he wants to remain hidden. I'm totally neutral on him right now.

That's it for now. Like I said, I'll hammer before the deadline in case no one else wants to. Let's get this moving along.

[Kurt]

Deadlne is in a few hours, and I'm off to class, so I'll keep my word.

Vote: Domingo

[Pepsi]

I am not ready to vote Domingo, I feel it's a wasted vote. Whatever happens, happens. I still personally am waiting to hear a response from Havok on my previous question, before I make any other moves.

[Jules]

It's a lynch now anyway, so expect anyone you want answers from to slip under the radar until Callahan calls it.

[Michael Callahan]

That's a lynch. Write-up to come tomorrow but the tall and short of it is this because I'm a busy fuck with two law exams in two days;

DEAD: Bryan Deas/Domingo, Tony, Town Bus Driver

You have 24 hours to send in your night actions and I'll do a double whammy for lynching/night actioning.

[Michael Callahan]

I'll be getting round to this at some point today. Sorry for the delay. It's been a hellish weekend.

[Michael Callahan]

MOD NOTE: Sorry again for this horrific delay. It won't happen again.

In the board room the remaining terrorists, Theo, Franco and Fritz discuss their next move now that Tony has officially bit the bullet thanks to a misfire. Theo paces back and forth, tugging at his suspenders and wiping sweat from his furrowed brow as he quickly tries to come up with a solution to their problem but can't as the panic sets in.
Theo: Oh God, Oh God, Oh God. This is all going to shit. This is all going to shit. What do we do? Hans is dead. The brothers are dead. Who's gonna' run this now? It's all falling apart.

Franco smiles and puts a hand on the shoulder of the pint-sized hacker, stopping him from strolling around.

Franco: Well, I dunno about you Theo but you're the safe cracker. You're the only person left alive that means we can still continue this heist. I say you're in charge now, but, I think you need to keep your cool and we need to find out who's killing all of our men!

And that's when a voice from the door calls out to them both.

Harry Ellis: Perhaps... I can help you out with your little problem. I have some information... that might be of use to you.

All three men turn to where the voice came from, guns raised at Harry Ellis leaning nonchalantly against the door frame with his perfect smile that has sealed so many deals over the years.

Fritz realises that Harry poses no harm and signals to the others to lower their guns.

Fritz: Weapons down, gentlemen. We're listening.

Meanwhile, in the lobby, Uli calmly takes a nice big bite out of an apple only for it to explode into fruit puree in his hand. The sound of a gunshot rings through the hall and Uli in shock gives where the apple once was the dead in the headlights look before diving over the desk and behind cover.

Uli: IS THAT YOU MR. COWBOY, HUH?! YOU MISSED! HAHAHAHA!

Uli peers over the top with his sub machine gun and starts blasting away at ghosts and shadows, unable to detect where the stray bullet had come from but having been sufficiently spooked enough to give his position away by dumping an entire clip into the glass of the Nakatomi Plaza lobby. Outside, this hasn't gone unnoticed.

Agent Johnson: Johnson, when will we have the manpower to go inside?

Special Agent Johnson: SWAT team are already in position sir.

Johnson casually checks his wrist-watch.

Agent Johnson: Then I guess... we better wrap this up.

[Michael Callahan]

DAY 5 BEGINS

ALIVE PLAYERS
1. A.C. Smith
2. Billy Pepsi
3. Chaz Dillinger
4. Crown Jules
5. James V
6. Kurt Noble
7. Level One
8. Mark Mania
9. TJ
10. T-Marv

[Nathaniel Havok]

Smith claimed Bus Driver, if I'm not mistaken? Could be wrong, but I'm almost 90% sure that the only bus driver in the game just died. Although, I don't know how that role really works.

But am I right or wrong?

[T-Marv]

Wrong. Smith claimed Commuter. That's different.

[The Soul Of Philly]

I can't completely confirm it, but AC's commuter claim is the truth.

We're at 6/2/1/1 right now.

F.o.S: Kurt

I said at the beginning of day 4 that I got a different wording of my result, despite the same result, I'm simply F.o.S'ing him because, besides my gut telling me that Callahan wouldn't simply overlook that detail, that's all I got

Also, I think we can stop worrying about Ellis being a recruit as it seems in the write up to suggest he's a survivor

[A.C. Smith]

Feb 5, 2013 14:54:28 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Also, I think we can stop worrying about Ellis being a recruit as it seems in the write up to suggest he's a survivor

That sounds reasonable enough. Either that, or he IS a recruiter and he was blocked, but given that it appears someone blocked a kill (either by protection or role-blocking), that seems unlikely.

[T-Marv]

Who sent me the message last night?
I got three pieces of information.

Mania is the cop
Smith is a Liar
Pepsi is Scum.

That's what I was told in MY pm. IDK if any of these are true or not. Looking up roles on mafiawiki, I found an informant in which case only one of these is true.

I have a feeling it could have come from 3rd party.... Harry was a bit of a weasel in the movie, so I could see that equating to informant.

First... Mania hinted at another role earlier on. And I think I know who the cop is.
Second... I'm fairly sure Smith was confirmed just now unless TJ is lying too.

Pepsi has laid low so I have no confirmation about him. Therefore

Vote: Pepsi

IF I'm wrong... then Lynch me next round or look at Smith cause one of those statements must bet true.

[Mark Mania]

I don't think I'm role claiming here but I can confirm that one of the messages you received was a lie. Hint- the one about me.

[A.C. Smith]

Feb 5, 2013 15:36:45 GMT -4 Mark Mania said:

I don't think I'm role claiming here but I can confirm that one of the messages you received was a lie. Hint- the one about me.

I can say the same thing about myself. Therefore...

F.O.S.: Pepsi

I'm not sure if I believe Mania, but I WOULD like to hear from Pepsi and see what he has to say in response to this.

[Nathaniel Havok]

I can also confirm that the message was a lie, Mr. Marv.

Target: Jules
Verdict: Inconclusive
Role: Useless

0 for 4 in the game so far. I'm about to give up on night phase. Either I can't use my role, or my verdicts come back inconclusive. Getting tiresome.

[A.C. Smith]

Feb 5, 2013 16:39:58 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

I'm about to give up on night phase. Either I can't use my role, or my verdicts come back inconclusive. Getting tiresome.

Either that, or someone is taking great pleasure in screwing with you each night phase. Given the blow-up between us that happened a few weeks ago, that's not out of the question.

[Pepsi]

Feb 5, 2013 15:25:14 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Who sent me the message last night?
I got three pieces of information.

Mania is the cop
Smith is a Liar
Pepsi is Scum.

That's what I was told in MY pm. IDK if any of these are true or not. Looking up roles on mafiawiki, I found an informant in which case only one of these is true.

I have a feeling it could have come from 3rd party.... Harry was a bit of a weasel in the movie, so I could see that equating to informant.

First... Mania hinted at another role earlier on. And I think I know who the cop is.
Second... I'm fairly sure Smith was confirmed just now unless TJ is lying too.

Pepsi has laid low so I have no confirmation about him. Therefore

Vote: Pepsi

IF I'm wrong... then Lynch me next round or look at Smith cause one of those statements must bet true.

That's an odd pm to receive. I can tell you that I am 100% town. I really can't offer you any proof of that so do with it what you wish. If I end up lynched you will clearly see that I am not scum.

As for me laying low that can be chalked up to inexperience, but again do with that as you wish.

I have nothing to report from my night action, and think that rather than wasting a vote on me we should wait to see what comes from the other night actions.

[Jules]

FoS: Billy Pepsi and A.C. Smith

I'm inclined to believe Mania here based on gameplay so far, so one of these two is lying.....unless Terry is playing us. But this seems overly bold from my pov.

[A.C. Smith]

Bolded below are the players that have checked in.

1. A.C. Smith
2. Billy Pepsi
3. Chaz Dillinger
4. Crown Jules
5. James V
6. Kurt Noble
7. Level One
8. Mark Mania
9. TJ
10. T-Marv

I'm still suspicious of Pepsi. That said, maybe the three guys that haven't checked in just haven't had a chance to, but JamesV floating under the radar, like he so often does when he's an anti-town player, needs to be pointed out.

[Pepsi]

To all who are suspicious of me let me ask. Other than this pm Marv got, what else have I done in this game that was suspicious. It has been said that I laid low, but I have been far more active than others in the game. So please tell me what else adds suspicion in the way I've played?

[Michael Jennings]

Checking in. Been busy with work all day and have a work event tonight so I'll catch up and post my thoughts on everything later tonight.

[Level-Two]

Checking in as well - I'll post my thoughts and something more substantial tomorrow.

[A.C. Smith]

OK, we need to get our asses in gear. A no-lynch this late in the game could be devastating.

Anyway, Pepsi, assuming T-Marv is right about the informant role, you're in a bad spot. I'm town and have been cleared by TJ. Mania has denied being the cop. That leaves you being scum as the one true theory out of three, and we've got nothing else to go off of at this point.

VOTE: Pepsi