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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 6, 2013 3:25:22 GMT -4
Not buying all this learning nonsense this early.
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 6, 2013 9:26:48 GMT -4
EWOP This scum team is very experienced, folks. I'll tell you that right now. Terry Marvin, JamesV or Mark Mania. One of these guys are on it. Let's see what info we got. You forgot Knuckles or Havok... both experiance Gates was a good target. He wasn't obvious like Level One, but was still somebody who contributes to the game in a big way. |
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 6, 2013 9:45:48 GMT -4
So.... I'm a little fuzzy as to how Chaz could clear me as town if he's NOT a cop. And let's be honest, I think we all know who is.
Also, sorry I haven't been as active as usual. Took myself a little break yesterday after the clusterfuck that was Meltdown Monday!
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Post by Reaver on Mar 6, 2013 12:51:58 GMT -4
FOS: Pepsi
pretty quick to defend chaz after his post. i will have more later after i get taxes done.
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Post by Pepsi on Mar 6, 2013 13:20:25 GMT -4
FOS: Pepsipretty quick to defend chaz after his post. i will have more later after i get taxes done. I wasn't trying to defend him, I was simply pointing out the fact that this seems to be the way that Chaz usually plays. I was simply saying I think it's early to start pointing fingers. I didn't trust Chaz last game because of his style, and I helped mislynch him. Don't want to make the same mistake twice. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Mar 6, 2013 13:45:40 GMT -4
There are roles in this game that can do things like that, without someone being a cop. Experienced players should know this. And it makes it a little hard to even want to play, when someone clears a townie, and starts getting accused. I'll keep my info to myself from now on, if that's the case. Lynching me will only hurt you, no other way to put it.
I see the odds of L1 being mafia this game as very slim, since he was mafia last game. Just a thought, but again, thoughts aren't facts. And the fact is that T-Marv is Balboa Jr. And he's town.
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Post by Mark Mania on Mar 6, 2013 13:50:47 GMT -4
Every game that L1 is scum he gets cleared as town. And James V was scum like six games in a row. Very slim means nothing to me.
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Post by Speede on Mar 6, 2013 13:55:17 GMT -4
Every game that L1 is scum he gets cleared as town. And James V was scum like six games in a row. Very slim means nothing to me. Beat me to the punch with the James V thing bro. I'm glad someone else noticed that besides me. But yeah, Havok. A word of advice... Don't come out with your info right off the bat if you can help it. We'd rather not lose a power role right away because someone outed their role to clear one player. That's like saying "okay, so two of us are town. One of us will die tonight because of it." |
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 14:05:11 GMT -4
I believe Havok. It's pretty clear what role he has. It's possible that's he's still scum but I don't see why he'd make a move this early if he was.
Wheather the scum likes it or not:
Buckson Gooch
Chaz Havok
Terry Marvin
Me
All confirmed town. Knowing this, I can now start narrowing the suspect list myself.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 14:19:20 GMT -4
EWOP
I know the mafia is starting to panic a bit. While the point of me being cleared as town - still leaves the option to me being a godfather is a VALID one; I feel at least one person that pushed that point is on the mafia team knowing full well I'm town.
We need a doctor on Chaz and we need a watcher on Buckson Gooch the next night phase. There is no iffs ands or butts about it. Sure scum has a role blocker but they don't know who to block and it's too big of a risk to take a chance.
Either the kill fails on Chaz or the killer of Buckson Gooch is watched. Pretty much a win - win and it's the best move we have.
Until information says otherwise, Me, Terry, Buckson Gooch and Chaz need to treat this thread like our own town QT from here on out.
I have a horrible gut feeling on Mark Mania and JamesV. Mark Mania especially, like, to a point where I want your role for myself. They'd be my main targets to be either implicated or cleared.
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Post by Pepsi on Mar 6, 2013 14:31:22 GMT -4
EWOP I know the mafia is starting to panic a bit. While the point of me being cleared as town - still leaves the option to me being a godfather is a VALID one; I feel at least one person that pushed that point is on the mafia team knowing full well I'm town. We need a doctor on Chaz and we need a watcher on Buckson Gooch the next night phase. There is no iffs ands or butts about it. Sure scum has a role blocker but they don't know who to block and it's too big of a risk to take a chance. Either the kill fails on Chaz or the killer of Buckson Gooch is watched. Pretty much a win - win and it's the best move we have. Until information says otherwise, Me, Terry, Buckson Gooch and Chaz need to treat this thread like our own town QT from here on out. I have a horrible gut feeling on Mark Mania and JamesV. Mark Mania especially, like, to a point where I want your role for myself. They'd be my main targets to be either implicated or cleared. This seems like a wise strategy to me. Well thought out, and pretty much a win-win for the town. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Mar 6, 2013 14:52:08 GMT -4
For the record, L1... Scum can't kill me. Sorry boys, I'm untouchable. So keep your doctor on Gooch. However, if someone can protect me against roleblocks, that would be nice.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Mar 6, 2013 14:54:41 GMT -4
EBWOP
I will not waste anymore night actions until I get confirmation that I will be aided from roleblocks in one way or another. That way, this game WILL end in town favor, with me assisting L1 in narrowing the list. Idk how I'll get that confirmation, but that's the best route for all town.
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Post by Trevor Hyatt on Mar 6, 2013 14:55:55 GMT -4
EWOP I know the mafia is starting to panic a bit. While the point of me being cleared as town - still leaves the option to me being a godfather is a VALID one; I feel at least one person that pushed that point is on the mafia team knowing full well I'm town. We need a doctor on Chaz and we need a watcher on Buckson Gooch the next night phase. There is no iffs ands or butts about it. Sure scum has a role blocker but they don't know who to block and it's too big of a risk to take a chance. Either the kill fails on Chaz or the killer of Buckson Gooch is watched. Pretty much a win - win and it's the best move we have. Until information says otherwise, Me, Terry, Buckson Gooch and Chaz need to treat this thread like our own town QT from here on out. I have a horrible gut feeling on Mark Mania and JamesV. Mark Mania especially, like, to a point where I want your role for myself. They'd be my main targets to be either implicated or cleared. This seems like a wise strategy to me. Well thought out, and pretty much a win-win for the town. Good strategy but Gooch shouldn't have told his role basically to avoid getting suspicion on. Only people who do that are either a rookie mistake or they're calling BLUFF. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Mar 6, 2013 15:00:26 GMT -4
Not buying all this learning nonsense this early. I easily interpret this as "stirring the pot" (no, not JKash kind of pot). Sounds to me like you're trying to get people on the bandwagon for a town lynch. Just my opinion. |
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Post by Trevor Hyatt on Mar 6, 2013 15:06:30 GMT -4
What does F.O.S mean?
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Mar 6, 2013 15:17:10 GMT -4
Finger of suspicion.
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Post by KJE on Mar 6, 2013 15:31:35 GMT -4
Nice work on strategy from L1 there. With him going that route, I can believe he is town for sure. He only helps when hes town haha <3 So therefore the clearing of him is good in my eyes as well. Like he said .... until we know different, we have to treat those 4 as town. If anyone can check gooch or Havok feel free to and clear other minds or just let it go for now and work together to get this done right.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 15:49:02 GMT -4
EBWOP I will not waste anymore night actions until I get confirmation that I will be aided from roleblocks in one way or another. That way, this game WILL end in town favor, with me assisting L1 in narrowing the list. Idk how I'll get that confirmation, but that's the best route for all town. We need to get the WATCHER on you then. The doctor to Gooch. Sounds like a plan. To the WATCHER you know who you are what you need to do, so let's get er' done. |
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 15:52:11 GMT -4
EWOP - I had this post prepped but wanted to break up this one from the one I posted up above.
Havok, I picked up on the exact same post from JamesV. Stirring the pot with his typical one liner and not saying shit else. I still have a VERY bad Mark Mania vibe, as well.
These are my reads. THEY ARE ONLY SOCIAL. I don't have any evidence to back any of it up.
Town (leaving out the confirmed 4)
MY TOWN READS
Kaylyn James Evans - I've only seen her play town games and I can't see any noticeable difference in this one either.
Pepsi - Newer player, sounds like a townie to me. Again, it's day two but when I have people trying to cast doubt on me and then a player like Pepsi sound like he legitimately wants to find scum, I can't help myself.
TJ - I get a town vibe from him too. I won't go into how for strategical purposes but it's my read.
DON'T KNOW
Knuckles
Callahan
Roy Speede
Trevor Hyatt
Papancho - The first one to bring up the GF thing. Either a innocent town move or a scum hating the fact people are already being cleared.
Johnny Rebel - HELLO?
SCUM READS
Mark Mania (I'd advise using a night action on him)
James V (I'd advise using a night action on him too)
I think of these two are innocent the other scum. It'd be unlikely if they both are... but imagine that. Also, possible they're both town. As I said, I have no proof. Just trying to lay it all out there.
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 6, 2013 16:17:19 GMT -4
Level One -
I like where you're going with putting the watcher on Gooch or Chaz and doctor... BUt most likely the Scum won't target them now (which is not necessarily a bad thing) but it does leave us (you and I) open for night kills (which I really don't mind if it keeps our super power roles alive. Maybe the JOAT(if there is one) gets one of us and the other becomes fotter? PErhaps we should leave the scum guessing as to who....
Other than that, I'm completely down with your plan and I hope the WATCHER is listening!
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 16:24:38 GMT -4
Yeah, I know that TMarv but I don't really care to be honest. My game is going to be social because of a lack of an actual role; so I'm making the most of it while I still can.
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Post by Mark Mania on Mar 6, 2013 16:32:53 GMT -4
I don't know why you're getting such a vibe from me L1, but I'm not going to out myself or my role just yet. I opted not to use my action last night phase, will use it this night phase. Focusing on me is a waste of time.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 16:50:37 GMT -4
I don't know why you're getting such a vibe from me L1, but I'm not going to out myself or my role just yet. I opted not to use my action last night phase, will use it this night phase. Focusing on me is a waste of time. No it's not; either you'll be vindicated and cleared or found guilty and implicated and then us as a town can move forward onto whoever needs to be targeted next. |
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Post by Mark Mania on Mar 6, 2013 17:33:49 GMT -4
Or, you can vindicate or implicate someone that could possibly be scum. Because I am certainly not and any investigation would be based off your whims.
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 18:13:03 GMT -4
Or, you can vindicate or implicate someone that could possibly be scum. Because I am certainly not and any investigation would be based off your whims. LOL! It's day two. I'm advocating for you and JamesV to be copped next - that's up to the parties on whether or not it happens. How else should we decide who gets checked out? Why don't you tell us who we should be check out, Mark. Please, enlighten me! If anyone had any doubts before; they shouldn't have any now. You seem to be worried. Why is that? It's possible to ''waste'' night actions; unless, you want the town looking more into me or one of the other three people that have been confirmed town. |
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 6, 2013 18:14:07 GMT -4
EWOP -
It's impossible to ''waste'' night actions; unless, you want the town looking more into me or one of the other three people that have been confirmed town.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Mar 6, 2013 18:21:45 GMT -4
I'm sorry, there is just something about Chaz that doesn't feel right. I think I get the role he's hinting at. it's valid, but at the same time, he could be pulling a move similar to what Kurt pulled in Justified mafia, claiming the role he's claiming because it's not a role often put into games. Any other role is hard to claim without getting counter claimed, the role he's hinting to, the odds someone else has it is very low. As T-Marv said, Chaz is experienced, so he'd take that into account before claiming the role he's claiming. The chance of a counter-claim is low.
If Chaz is experienced as stated by T-Marv, he'd also know that there isn't a protection from roleblocking in most games, many consider protection just being from kills, myself included. So doctors or body guards don't protect from a roleblock, just a kill. If he did know that, and still asked for that, it's a fish. And for a guy that fires out at anyone for fishing, its dramatic irony because...
Vote: Chaz
L1's feeling is his own, he tends to be right, but I'm going with my gut here. Until something comes up that convinces me otherwise, my vote is staying on Chaz until then.
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Post by Mark Mania on Mar 6, 2013 18:22:14 GMT -4
I have no reason to be worried and I'm steadfast in that. Let's also be clear that the last two times you were cleared town you were in fact scum. So I don't plan on believing Havok or Gooch at this point. I'm not saying I'm skeptical of you, because you're playing pretty aggressively which is normally what you do when you're town.
Guys that I'd look at would be those that aren't active, I know it's a cliche but it is for a reason. New, inexperienced scum players will stay quiet until they're instructed otherwise.
So I can't enlighten too much, but if someone would like to check me out, go ahead, but all that's happening is the scum is psyched you and I are bickering back and forth.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Mar 6, 2013 18:31:16 GMT -4
And it makes it a little hard to even want to play, when someone clears a townie, and starts getting accused. What a childish thing to say. "Nobody will believe what I say without a second guess, I'm going to get all pissy about it" isn't pro-town behaviour and in my mind casts some serious doubt over your intentions. If it was took as granted that everyone told the truth in this game, there'd be no point in even playing. Grilling people on their "evidence" is a part and parcel of Mafia. Don't start getting irate when people question your authority, because that screams of desperate scum play. |
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