Rocky Mafia Game Thread (Day Five)

[The Soul Of Philly]

Putting together a list of people who have checked in:

1) T-Marv - check
2) Callahan - check
3) Pepsi - check
4) Mark Mania - check
5) Knuckles - check
6) Johnny Rebel
7) L-1- check
8) TJ - check
9) Roy Speede - check
10) JamesV - check
11) Gooch - check
12) Havok - check
13) papapancho - check
14) Trevor Hyatt - check
15) KJE - check

So we're waiting for Rebel to check in, he was on about a half hour ago, I know he was inactive in CRW's mafia, but I'd believe he'd be in here more often.

[Michael Callahan]

Mar 6, 2013 18:34:24 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Putting together a list of people who have checked in:

1) T-Marv - check
2) Callahan - check
3) Pepsi - check
4) Mark Mania - check
5) Knuckles - check
6) Johnny Rebel
7) L-1- check
8) TJ - check
9) Roy Speede - check
10) JamesV - check
11) Gooch - check
12) Havok - check
13) papapancho - check
14) Trevor Hyatt - check
15) KJE - check

So we're waiting for Rebel to check in, he was on about a half hour ago, I know he was inactive in CRW's mafia, but I'd believe he'd be in here more often.

I'd be willing to bet money Rebel has been silenced. The excruciating detail in Rule 6A would seem to suggest that there's a silencer involved in this game.

[Level-Two]

The only problem with Chaz is not that is role is uncommon... but that is role is usually mafia aligned rather than town.

However, there ARE town variations of his role. Just not commonly used on APW games.

When he said he was also bullet proof, his role seemed over powered - but look at the flavor and it's clear to see what character Chaz has and why that is.

Mark, you can cast doubt all you want. If you're scum, you'll get nailed. It's only a matter of time. If your town the play your making is certainly scummy to me.

''Nobodies clear yet! Don't investigate me! Double check confirmed townies, wink, wink, wink*

It's impossible to see at the very least Buckson Gooch is town... REFUSING to acknowledge that point is FOS: Mark Mania

[The Soul Of Philly]

L1 you don't think I took the flavor when factoring it in? There's two people that he could be the hero or the russian. Yes, he's aggressive all the time, but that doesn't mean he is town all the time. I'm leaning more towards the russian solely because he's asking for protection for role blocking so early in the game. It just setting off flags for me to the point that I'm willing to vote for him.

[Level-Two]

Mar 6, 2013 18:45:21 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

L1 you don't think I took the flavor when factoring it in? There's two people that he could be the hero or the russian. Yes, he's aggressive all the time, but that doesn't mean he is town all the time. I'm leaning more towards the russian solely because he's asking for protection for role blocking so early in the game. It just setting off flags for me to the point that I'm willing to vote for him.

So, you think a third party member working by themselves has the ability to role cop instead of killing? Furthermore, the same role cop is going clear townies while he's at it?

I know Chaz isn't going to win MVP anytime soon but...

[Nathaniel Havok]

Tj... What you basically said about me was "Shit, he's bulletproof. Might want to cause a town lynch, since my fellow mafia and I can't kill him."

F.o.S: TJ

Maybe I'm being a bit aggressive since you targeted me. But you're a veteran, you should already know who I am, and that I'm not bullshitting. Why would I say I'm who I am so early, if I weren't convinced I could help the town win this game in a timely manner? Get with the program, or get lynched for being suspicious. That simple. I'm town, not a cop, and maybe my role is a bit overpowered, but so be it. However, you seem like a scared mafia member to me, panicking because you're going to lose if I live, and you know it.

Town, DON'T LYNCH ME! You WILL win if you don't.

[Level-Two]

Hm.

Maybe I'm a bit confused.

Chaz, did you use your role on Terry last night? Yes or no answer would suffice.

[Nathaniel Havok]

No, I didn't. I "dug for info"... But did not directly target T-Marv. He just happened to be in the role that I inquired about.

[The Soul Of Philly]

I didn't infer role cop from his hint, I got a JOAT claim, which is why I'm after him. He said he's not a cop but can clear someone which to me says he's got a x-shot cop power. But then he says he's not using anymore of his powers until he has confirmation that he'll be protected from roleblocks, which, you can't be protected from, and he's a vet, he should know that. To me that reads as JOAT unless the x-shot cop power is along with another power.

and to be honest, if him saying Terry is Balboa Jr. you're read for a role cop, I'm less likely to believe that than you as it's not a role, but a character. he would have gotten the role from terry, not the character, if I'm correct. I could be wrong, but as far as I've played, role cop is for the ROLE of your target.

and now, I didn't go "Oh shit he's NK proof, gotta lynch him" I went, "NK proof and a JOAT, unlikely, anti-town." I'm suspicious because you claimed not cop but you can clear T-Marv, I f.o.s you then. Then you said you were NK proof then you asked for confirmation for protection, fishing for a protective role, that's enough for me to upgrade from a f.o.s to a vote. Seeing what you're saying about "panicking" is comical to me because you've voted for far less.

[Michael Jennings]

Mar 5, 2013 15:29:26 GMT -4 Mark Mania said:

Well, if you're trying to play a smarter game, you're not off to a strong start. I have no information from my first night. But am looking forward to see this one play out.

FOS: Mark Mania

Not buying this comment at all. I'm betting you're scum who has a night action but is trying to hint at vanilla town to avoid detection.

Mar 6, 2013 15:00:26 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Mar 6, 2013 3:25:22 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Not buying all this learning nonsense this early.

F.o.S.: JamesV

I easily interpret this as "stirring the pot" (no, not JKash kind of pot). Sounds to me like you're trying to get people on the bandwagon for a town lynch. Just my opinion.

Sounds to me like you don't know how to play mafia. You're actually buying not one but TWO cleared players on night one? Lol the cops check themselves night one if they're smart. I'm betting one of the two is the Godfather. NO WAY are both cleared players town in my opinion. That's a million to one shot right there and I've NEVER seen two people cleared this early in a game, bottom line.

Mar 6, 2013 15:52:11 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

EWOP - I had this post prepped but wanted to break up this one from the one I posted up above.

Havok, I picked up on the exact same post from JamesV. Stirring the pot with his typical one liner and not saying shit else. I still have a VERY bad Mark Mania vibe, as well.

These are my reads. THEY ARE ONLY SOCIAL. I don't have any evidence to back any of it up.

Town (leaving out the confirmed 4)

MY TOWN READS

Kaylyn James Evans - I've only seen her play town games and I can't see any noticeable difference in this one either.

Pepsi - Newer player, sounds like a townie to me. Again, it's day two but when I have people trying to cast doubt on me and then a player like Pepsi sound like he legitimately wants to find scum, I can't help myself.

TJ - I get a town vibe from him too. I won't go into how for strategical purposes but it's my read.

DON'T KNOW
Knuckles
Callahan
Roy Speede
Trevor Hyatt
Papancho - The first one to bring up the GF thing. Either a innocent town move or a scum hating the fact people are already being cleared.
Johnny Rebel - HELLO?

SCUM READS
Mark Mania (I'd advise using a night action on him)
James V (I'd advise using a night action on him too)

I think of these two are innocent the other scum. It'd be unlikely if they both are... but imagine that. Also, possible they're both town. As I said, I have no proof. Just trying to lay it all out there.

LOL

I'm betting one of those town reads or cleared players is scum along with Mania, Kaylyn (who's been buddying up like a mad dog this game), Pancho (Godfather comment rings a bell), and one of the two "cleared" players from night one. I'm getting town vibes from L1, Callahan, and TJ. Callahan and TJ are the ones I'm almost certain are town considering they're playing with balls right now and that's almost always town play in these games. The people blending in and playing "follow the leader" are the ones I'm looking at. Obvious who they are given my suspects list.

[Level-Two]

Chaz is 100% town. He just confirmed it. He confirmed how he knows Terry Marvin is Rocky Balboa Jr - it's done.

Anyone who continues to push this theory is earning themselves a spot on my shit list. MOVING ON...

JAMESV

Sounds to me like you don't know how to play mafia. You're actually buying not one but TWO cleared players on night one? Lol the cops check themselves night one if they're smart. I'm betting one of the two is the Godfather. NO WAY are both cleared players town in my opinion. That's a million to one shot right there and I've NEVER seen two people cleared this early in a game, bottom line.

A half in a million shot? LOL

It's VERY likely. Terry was cleared in Chaz's initial role and Buckson Gooch is the town cop whom has cleared me night one.

It doesn't happen because cops usually don't out their roles night one. However, we're not talking about an experienced player, we're talking about Buckson Gooch. With that said, I don't even think the move was THAT bad. It's done in smaller mafia games right off the bat.

Yes, Gooch isn't the best player. We know that already. Fact is, it happened. If anyone's theory is then that I am the godfather - than please, speak up and we'll go post for post. The more people start talking the better it is for the town in the long run.

I'm here to pressure on the mafia, I don't care if they like it or not.

Lastly, at what point did I say my list was in any way accurate? At what point did I say anyone who I read was town was actually a town? I called them reads for a reason. The only two anyone really needs to focus on is you and Mark Mania. I feel one of you is scum.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Wait, what? I'm confused. Really, role cop targets a player and finds out what their role is, I dont know of a role that does the opposite, target a role and find a player, is which what Chaz's post says:

"No, I didn't. I "dug for info"... But did not directly target T-Marv. He just happened to be in the role that I inquired about."

I've done a bit of searching for said role, and haven't gotten anything that would suggest the role, I've never heard of the role and to be honest, I find it hard to believe his claims. I still think something not right, but that's me. I'm not gonna push it any further, but until there is a better option, I see no point in taking my vote off as it seems I'm going to be the only one who thinks Chaz's claims don't add up. Therefore, he's in no danger if my vote stays on him.

[KJE]

I find it hilarious thatyou think I am anything but town JamesV. Because I said what exactly? I am not buddying up with ANYONE. I mentioned L1s name and said I wanted to have at him... I said that in the fallout thread from last game too. Might want to look at your list a little because it's far from right with me on it.


Mania, L1 was cleared as town in the last two games... but was not you say.... If you remember correctly... I cleared l1 WHEN HE WAS TOWN. He happened to be turned over night and I never fully said I trusted him after that. I actually DIDN'T believe him that game at all. Either way.... seeing how he is playing right now... He is town. I don't doubt that one bit.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Dude, I don't make the role. I play the game with the role I'm given. I'm town, that I can assure you of. Any lie detecter can more than gladly check me out. And no, I'm not mafia godfather, or third party. I'm town. I would not make a stupid decision to clear tmarv after Gooch cleared l1. That's just dumb, and maybe I should have kept it to myself. I'm also regretting outing tmarv. As it probably will piss him off, that everyone knows who he is already. My bad, didn't think that through, terry.

You're looking for something that isn't there, Tj. I don't know how else to put it.

[Michael Jennings]

L1, you just made my case for me. How are you clear when the town cop DIDN'T check his sanity? That doesn't make sense to me. You are NOT clear in my opinion until he checks his sanity, bottom line. The only thing you're putting pressure on is yourself because until Gooch targets himself and checks that he is a sane cop then you are fair game just like every other non-cleared player in my opinion.

I like how you want the focus on me and Mania and automatically expect the sheep to follow along when you're not even cleared. Speaking of Gooch he needs to target himself tonight and check his sanity because you're not cleared until he does that.

Kaylyn, you're buddying up to people and that's a scum tactic. Don't give me some snarky response because look back at your posts. It's like a Scum 101 textbook of how to blend in. The fact that you're mentionning my list as being way off just because you are on it only furthers my stance that you are not town. You'd also better start doubting yourself because L1 is NOT cleared and any vet player who knows how the investigations work for cops and how sanity works in these games will agree with me on this. Doubt is there now. Chaz is town, I agree with that as well as TMarv being town and Gooch being town. L1 on the other hand the doubt is there.

Gooch, target yourself tonight. Check your sanity so L1 can be cleared and we can move on.

[papapancho]

Mar 6, 2013 22:26:31 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

L1, you just made my case for me. How are you clear when the town cop DIDN'T check his sanity? That doesn't make sense to me. You are NOT clear in my opinion until he checks his sanity, bottom line. The only thing you're putting pressure on is yourself because until Gooch targets himself and checks that he is a sane cop then you are fair game just like every other non-cleared player in my opinion.

I like how you want the focus on me and Mania and automatically expect the sheep to follow along when you're not even cleared. Speaking of Gooch he needs to target himself tonight and check his sanity because you're not cleared until he does that.

Kaylyn, you're buddying up to people and that's a scum tactic. Don't give me some snarky response because look back at your posts. It's like a Scum 101 textbook of how to blend in. The fact that you're mentionning my list as being way off just because you are on it only furthers my stance that you are not town. You'd also better start doubting yourself because L1 is NOT cleared and any vet player who knows how the investigations work for cops and how sanity works in these games will agree with me on this. Doubt is there now. Chaz is town, I agree with that as well as TMarv being town and Gooch being town. L1 on the other hand the doubt is there.

Gooch, target yourself tonight. Check your sanity so L1 can be cleared and we can move on.

Vote: JamesV

In a game this small you really expect there to be an insane cop? I don't buy that for one second. I can buy the theory that L1 could be Godfather since the cop wouldn't be able to see past his protection but INSANE cop? That's Crazy.

[Level-Two]

L1, you just made my case for me. How are you clear when the town cop DIDN'T check his sanity? That doesn't make sense to me. You are NOT clear in my opinion until he checks his sanity, bottom line. The only thing you're putting pressure on is yourself because until Gooch targets himself and checks that he is a sane cop then you are fair game just like every other non-cleared player in my opinion.

I'm not worried about that. I know Gooch is a sane cop. If he feels the need to check his sanity then great but I know it does nothing but confirm what we both already know.

Secondly, Buckson Gooch can check his sanity by investigating someone else tomorrow and letting us know his result. If he comes up on a red - then me and whoever he investigated can plead our case and determine it that way.

Investigating himself is a waste of time. You cannot provide me one good reason on why it's a good idea, either. If the person he investigates tomorrow flips town, he's a sane cop.

The only alternative is that he's naive - and he'd read town when investigating himself anyways.

IT IS POINTLESS.

I like how you want the focus on me and Mania and automatically expect the sheep to follow along when you're not even cleared. Speaking of Gooch he needs to target himself tonight and check his sanity because you're not cleared until he does that.

Another so called ''townie'' butt hurt about the idea of being cleared.... interesting.

Gooch, target yourself tonight. Check your sanity so L1 can be cleared and we can move on.

And Chaz needs to use his role on JamesV next night phase.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Mar 6, 2013 22:59:58 GMT -4 papapancho said:

Vote: JamesV

In a game this small you really expect there to be an insane cop? I don't buy that for one second. I can buy the theory that L1 could be Godfather since the cop wouldn't be able to see past his protection but INSANE cop? That's Crazy.

You weren't here for Die Hard, we had an insane cop in it with 15 people.

[papapancho]

Mar 6, 2013 23:25:53 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

Mar 6, 2013 22:59:58 GMT -4 papapancho said:

Vote: JamesV

In a game this small you really expect there to be an insane cop? I don't buy that for one second. I can buy the theory that L1 could be Godfather since the cop wouldn't be able to see past his protection but INSANE cop? That's Crazy.

You weren't here for Die Hard, we had an insane cop in it with 15 people.

But that was a game where the "heroes" were mafia and "villains" were town. I just don't see the flavor adding up that way.

[A.C. Smith]

UPDATED VOTE COUNT

Chaz/Havok - 1 (TJ)
JamesV - 1 (papapancho)

Not like it's urgent, but remember the deadline is set for 2 p.m. Eastern on Friday afternoon.

[T-Marv]

Not sure how much I can or can't say, but I WILL be saying this.... I'm not voting for CHAZ any time soon!

[Reaver]

i wanna point out that its not always necessary to check urself nite 1 when ur the cop. it depends on the flavor of the game, i myself have chosen to ignore checking myself on a few occasions and have been rite every time. y would there b more than 1 cop role in a game about boxing?

if he felt the need not to check himself then y not. nobody has come out to counter claim him actually being the cop anyways. yes the gooch (IF YA SMEEEELLLL!! ) is relatively new but he did wat he thought was rite and u cant fault him for it.

FOS: James

here we go again james......

[Michael Jennings]

Mar 6, 2013 22:59:58 GMT -4 papapancho said:

Mar 6, 2013 22:26:31 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

L1, you just made my case for me. How are you clear when the town cop DIDN'T check his sanity? That doesn't make sense to me. You are NOT clear in my opinion until he checks his sanity, bottom line. The only thing you're putting pressure on is yourself because until Gooch targets himself and checks that he is a sane cop then you are fair game just like every other non-cleared player in my opinion.

I like how you want the focus on me and Mania and automatically expect the sheep to follow along when you're not even cleared. Speaking of Gooch he needs to target himself tonight and check his sanity because you're not cleared until he does that.

Kaylyn, you're buddying up to people and that's a scum tactic. Don't give me some snarky response because look back at your posts. It's like a Scum 101 textbook of how to blend in. The fact that you're mentionning my list as being way off just because you are on it only furthers my stance that you are not town. You'd also better start doubting yourself because L1 is NOT cleared and any vet player who knows how the investigations work for cops and how sanity works in these games will agree with me on this. Doubt is there now. Chaz is town, I agree with that as well as TMarv being town and Gooch being town. L1 on the other hand the doubt is there.

Gooch, target yourself tonight. Check your sanity so L1 can be cleared and we can move on.

Vote: JamesV

In a game this small you really expect there to be an insane cop? I don't buy that for one second. I can buy the theory that L1 could be Godfather since the cop wouldn't be able to see past his protection but INSANE cop? That's Crazy.

That's crazy? Lol that EFK Mind games bullshit won't work here.

Vote: Pancho

Here is your scum right here. The EFK Black Lantern mafia reference sold me on him being scum.

[Michael Jennings]

Mar 6, 2013 23:01:22 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

L1, you just made my case for me. How are you clear when the town cop DIDN'T check his sanity? That doesn't make sense to me. You are NOT clear in my opinion until he checks his sanity, bottom line. The only thing you're putting pressure on is yourself because until Gooch targets himself and checks that he is a sane cop then you are fair game just like every other non-cleared player in my opinion.

I'm not worried about that. I know Gooch is a sane cop. If he feels the need to check his sanity then great but I know it does nothing but confirm what we both already know.

Secondly, Buckson Gooch can check his sanity by investigating someone else tomorrow and letting us know his result. If he comes up on a red - then me and whoever he investigated can plead our case and determine it that way.

Investigating himself is a waste of time. You cannot provide me one good reason on why it's a good idea, either. If the person he investigates tomorrow flips town, he's a sane cop.

The only alternative is that he's naive - and he'd read town when investigating himself anyways.

IT IS POINTLESS.



Another so called ''townie'' butt hurt about the idea of being cleared.... interesting.

Gooch, target yourself tonight. Check your sanity so L1 can be cleared and we can move on.

And Chaz needs to use his role on JamesV next night phase.

Lol at you telling Chaz what to do. He can target me if he wants to but I don't like how you are ordering him around. You did that hen we were scum together too. Just throwing that out there for when the actual scum night kills me to set up someone else later on in the game.

[papapancho]

Mar 7, 2013 1:36:05 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Mar 6, 2013 22:59:58 GMT -4 papapancho said:

Vote: JamesV

In a game this small you really expect there to be an insane cop? I don't buy that for one second. I can buy the theory that L1 could be Godfather since the cop wouldn't be able to see past his protection but INSANE cop? That's Crazy.

That's crazy? Lol that EFK Mind games bullshit won't work here.

Vote: Pancho

Here is your scum right here. The EFK Black Lantern mafia reference sold me on him being scum.

That's Weak Sauce. Conjecture based on a reference of a game where I was town turned third party turned back to town and won?

How about engaging in logic and debate instead of a terrible OMGUS vote.

Does anyone else besides James actually believe Gooch is insane? That's really what this boils down to.

[Level-Two]

Dude, stop it. You're making me laugh.

Lol at you telling Chaz what to do. He can target me if he wants to but I don't like how you are ordering him around. You did that hen we were scum together too. Just throwing that out there for when the actual scum night kills me to set up someone else later on in the game.

DRUM ROLL PLEASE...

Gooch, target yourself tonight. Check your sanity so L1 can be cleared and we can move on.

I'm pretty sure hypocrisy is a scum quality.

[KJE]

Id love to prove you wrong about me JamesV. I already said I can't help at all. I am as helpful as CJ was and thats the truth there. Voting is all I can help with and soon enough you will see it. Never have I claimed to be what I wasn't.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Let me make something clear. I can't "target" anybody. I can only target roles.

[Mark Mania]

Someone said weak sauce. I want to vote him off for that.

[T-Marv]

I love uber aggressive Level One when I'm on his side

Let's get a game plan.

Cop - Check Mania (I believe he's our top suspect at the moment)

Chaz - Can you dig up on a scum role? Do you chose the "role" you dig on? If so, go for the russian

Doctor - Protect Gooch

Watcher - WATCH Chaz

Does that about sum it up? THoughts L1? Thoughts Anybody else?