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Post by Jules on Jun 19, 2013 5:25:18 GMT -4
Ok guys, I did get information from my night action, important info, but couldn't reveal it without outing myself, so I didn't want to reveal it yet. However, from the writeup it sounds like mafia spotted me doing my thing last night, and I can't risk getting offed without revealing it, so consider me outed. I'm a cop, and last night I copped Matt Stone, and he came up as 3rd party Mason. So... Vote: Matt Stone While I don't consider him a crucial threat at this point, like I said, I couldnt sit on this if there was even a chance that the mafia knew my role, but now everyone does. Besides, if we lynch Stone today, and since noone died last night, we should be in a decent spot even if mafia kills me tonight. How do you know the mafia know your role? Well before you went and told them. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 7:47:43 GMT -4
My posts are not based on conjecture, nor were they role-fishing. My info about Atken's character is based on good authority, and by the same token I have reasons to believe Atken's death could be beneficial to the town. I don't think I'm allowed to say any more than that, and if that isn't enough for most of you then I guess we move on. Hmmmm, lyncher, scum or misinformed. Intriguing If you know about my role, you actually have more information than I do which is fascinating. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 7:48:50 GMT -4
Also that's awfully detailed information for a cop to get.
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Post by Jules on Jun 19, 2013 8:09:19 GMT -4
My posts are not based on conjecture, nor were they role-fishing. My info about Atken's character is based on good authority, and by the same token I have reasons to believe Atken's death could be beneficial to the town. I don't think I'm allowed to say any more than that, and if that isn't enough for most of you then I guess we move on. Hmmmm, lyncher, scum or misinformed. Intriguing If you know about my role, you actually have more information than I do which is fascinating. In case there's a lie detector. I am not a lyncher. I am town. Yeah, I could be misinformed, can't argue with that one, but if I am it's coming from the top. But I'm worried about Fury. That post came out of nowehere. He's either really inexperienced, or something fishy is going on. There's a bit of explaining that needs to be done about that post of his. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 8:15:11 GMT -4
I'd go with inexperienced, otherwise that is quite possibly the most bizarre scum plan I've seen. Does seem like he'd have to be a role cop to get the detail of info. I can see an inexperienced player with info not sitting on it with the amount of people who kept on requesting people give up their info after the first night.
Jules, if it came from that top, that's even more perplexing, I'm not a miller either so I have no idea what info you have or why my lynch would be beneficial.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 8:21:40 GMT -4
I don't know if I'd go inexperienced with Fury. He plays a good game over at CRW.
I'm lost to how the Mafia would know who he was though. He may have a role that allows him to see if someone's tracked him. I have the craziest role I've ever seen in a Mafia game I've been a part of....Yes, I'm town for those curious. It wouldn't be shocking to see Fury with a role just as unique as mine (and the same for everyone else). Level One is a very smart dude. I wouldn't be shocked if we all had cool roles so it's hard for me to immediately discount Fury for these reasons. I would like to hear more from him and from Stone though.
If Fury is right and Stone is a 3rd party mason...do you think we have 3rd party recruitment going on?
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 8:40:02 GMT -4
He said in his post he read into L-1's night flavour for the mafia being on to him. Again, I haven't played here in ages but isn't there a general rule about not reading in to night flavour? S'why I just assumed inexperience.
Role cop is a strong role as is, without anything extra going down on it.
MY ROLE IS SO CRAZY THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TOLD ME WHAT IT IS - WCW PPV Advertisement, Circa 1999
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Jun 19, 2013 9:31:07 GMT -4
MY ROLE IS SO CRAZY THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TOLD ME WHAT IT IS - WCW PPV Advertisement, Circa 1999 You may be one of the funniest people I've ever fedded with. This is greatness. "WE HAVE THE GREATEST NITRO OF OUR GENERATION TONIGHT...TORRIE WILSON WILL BE FACING DAFFNEY AND AN APPEARANCE BY HOLLYWOOD HOGAN!!!!" |
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Post by KJE on Jun 19, 2013 9:32:32 GMT -4
Wouldn't a mason at least TRY to mason someone at night?
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Post by KJE on Jun 19, 2013 9:37:38 GMT -4
and from what i have seen, masons (while third party) are town aligned.
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 10:38:14 GMT -4
A cop would get an alignment and not a role
A role cop would get a role and not an alignment.
I'm guessing Fury is doing some speculating, at best, and is trying to be aggressive but isn't doing it particularly well.
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Post by Gordon Fury on Jun 19, 2013 10:40:54 GMT -4
He said in his post he read into L-1's night flavour for the mafia being on to him. Again, I haven't played here in ages but isn't there a general rule about not reading in to night flavour? S'why I just assumed inexperience. Role cop is a strong role as is, without anything extra going down on it. All I was told is "cop" long and short of it, and what I told everyone is exactly what I was told. While this is indeed my third game, for you to effectively say "its noob to read into the write up" is flat out wrong. I have seen it come into play in many games I have read, and while I can't be 100% sure mafia knew who I was, as I said before, I couldn't take the chance on sitting on it. I waited because effectively COMPLETELY outing myself took a little bit of weighing up the options. |
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 10:44:25 GMT -4
Gordon, Always check yourself night 1 as a cop.
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Post by Gordon Fury on Jun 19, 2013 10:46:37 GMT -4
A cop would get an alignment and not a role A role cop would get a role and not an alignment. I'm guessing Fury is doing some speculating, at best, and is trying to be aggressive but isn't doing it particularly well. Yeh, because I would pretend to COMPLETELY out myself, drawing the attention of everyone in the game, because of "speculation"... I'm fairly green, but I'm not retarded. I would not have gone into the specifics I did if I wasn't 100% sure. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 10:57:32 GMT -4
He said in his post he read into L-1's night flavour for the mafia being on to him. Again, I haven't played here in ages but isn't there a general rule about not reading in to night flavour? S'why I just assumed inexperience. Role cop is a strong role as is, without anything extra going down on it. All I was told is "cop" long and short of it, and what I told everyone is exactly what I was told. While this is indeed my third game, for you to effectively say "its noob to read into the write up" is flat out wrong. I have seen it come into play in many games I have read, and while I can't be 100% sure mafia knew who I was, as I said before, I couldn't take the chance on sitting on it. I waited because effectively COMPLETELY outing myself took a little bit of weighing up the options. I would never say noob, that is a horrible word beneath my standards how dare you pretend it is part of my vernacular. Seriously though, I'm more trying to remember how these things go around here and give you some advice for the future. Without getting all MY WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY about mafiar games, I just feel flavour is flavour and any hints you get shout be through night actions alone, not what the mod adds in to his write-ups because really, that's giving away extra information (unless the role allows for that information to be included in the flavour, like that Heroes game I was in here once where my role was useless apart from for trolling the flavour, which was hilarious) Plus it's more advice for the future, don't blow your wad this early unless you have a concrete reason for it, especially as a cop. I wouldn't include night flavour as concrete reasoning. There's ways to drop hints about such things without outing yourself. But that's more mechanics and game structure convo than actually dealing with this situation. The fact that you were given detailed information such as third party mason as a cop alone is odd. KJE's reaction argument about third parties being town (what?) is odder though. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 11:00:26 GMT -4
Summary for lazy people:
- Stone is a 3rd Party mason according to claimed cop Fury.
- KJE thinks 3rd Party masons are town aligned.
- Jules has solid information that I am harmful to the town but I am VERY CONFUSED because I am town. Although I may have a few theories about how these two things can co-exist with both of us being town,
- Hella lazy people lurking. Damn lurkers.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jun 19, 2013 11:06:34 GMT -4
and from what i have seen, masons (while third party) are town aligned. Tird party is not town aligned. I also think his info is off. NEVER heard of third party masons in a game before. Vote: Rowyn StarrI think everyone arguing is town and scum is radar scudding. I'm going to San Diego today so I wanted to be my vote out there before I left. STILL the best lead. Nothing else is loud in my opinion. |
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Post by Gordon Fury on Jun 19, 2013 11:07:15 GMT -4
All I was told is "cop" long and short of it, and what I told everyone is exactly what I was told. While this is indeed my third game, for you to effectively say "its noob to read into the write up" is flat out wrong. I have seen it come into play in many games I have read, and while I can't be 100% sure mafia knew who I was, as I said before, I couldn't take the chance on sitting on it. I waited because effectively COMPLETELY outing myself took a little bit of weighing up the options. I would never say noob, that is a horrible word beneath my standards how dare you pretend it is part of my vernacular. Seriously though, I'm more trying to remember how these things go around here and give you some advice for the future. Without getting all MY WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY about mafiar games, I just feel flavour is flavour and any hints you get shout be through night actions alone, not what the mod adds in to his write-ups because really, that's giving away extra information (unless the role allows for that information to be included in the flavour, like that Heroes game I was in here once where my role was useless apart from for trolling the flavour, which was hilarious) Plus it's more advice for the future, don't blow your wad this early unless you have a concrete reason for it, especially as a cop. I wouldn't include night flavour as concrete reasoning. There's ways to drop hints about such things without outing yourself. But that's more mechanics and game structure convo than actually dealing with this situation. The fact that you were given detailed information such as third party mason as a cop alone is odd. KJE's reaction argument about third parties being town (what?) is odder though. I do understand what you are getting at bud, but as I said, If there was a chance any of that was fact, and mafia DID know, I could have died with my info. And the very least, it's out there. It seems to be mostly ignored, or written off as "silly Gordon doesn't know what he is doing because he is green", but we still have time hopefully for that opinion to change. |
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Post by Reaver on Jun 19, 2013 11:10:55 GMT -4
my thought here is that it was meant "masons" as opposed to "cultists" and the words were being used as a mix up by whoever said them first. kinda like gooch and the whole coding issue.
KJE is an experienced player where as gooch is on his 4th game i think? KJE has some explaining to do since she has been acting weird all game. remember how she acts weird when shes scum?
FOS: KJE
unless theres any more info, this may be our closest lead so i think she has some explaining to do. i also find it odd that people feel the need to announce "i am town" as if to convince themselves more than the rest of us, ever notice that? obviously not all of us r town and somebody is lying. the more active people r, the better.
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 11:12:23 GMT -4
I feel obligated to point out that Gooch has played more than 4 games in CRW alone.
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 11:20:52 GMT -4
and from what i have seen, masons (while third party) are town aligned. Tird party is not town aligned. I also think his info is off. NEVER heard of third party masons in a game before. Vote: Rowyn StarrI think everyone arguing is town and scum is radar scudding. I'm going to San Diego today so I wanted to be my vote out there before I left. STILL the best lead. Nothing else is loud in my opinion. I could certainly see a 3rd party Mason, not Masons. As in a 3rd party role perhaps linked with a group of two masons. Or we could have L-1 being a true whimful dick and have a scum/town/3rd party mason combo. Not entirely sure how the big picture would develop there but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Although, I agree most of the scum will be keeping a low profile right now. |
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 11:24:01 GMT -4
As for KJE, I would hope she meant Mason was town, not 3rd party. If not, lynch the bitch xD
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 11:25:17 GMT -4
vote: Matt Stone VULGAR LANGUAGE IN MY MAFIA.
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 11:31:07 GMT -4
Also the 3rd party thing. But mainly the vulgar language.
To take Fury at face value, we don't quite know yet the size of the scum team, I wouldn't put it past L-1 to have another multiperson faction in the game and I feel that a Stone lynch, reliant on Fury's info will open up a lot of discussion for the game and rid us of someone harmful to our win condition.
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 11:31:32 GMT -4
I apologize to the all knowing Atkin. Something he may be unfamiliar with though is that KJE is actually a super intellegent canine, an being female, I was using the appropriate vernacular.
Rowyn Starr
Combined with the coding error looking super scummy, as only posted once as a check in and looks to be one of the people "laying low" to me.
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 11:32:30 GMT -4
EBWOP
Not sure how much L-1 will care, but for the record
Vote: Rowyn Starr
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Post by Gordon Fury on Jun 19, 2013 11:32:51 GMT -4
Well I got completely ignored, but at least the right vote was made regardless. I implore people to not ignore me and write my information off as wrong.
If Stone flips town, then lynch me to death tomorrow. I don't know how many other ways I can say I am sure of this.
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 11:33:36 GMT -4
Ahahaha, I think it just clicked with me who Stone is.
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Post by Phil Atken on Jun 19, 2013 11:34:14 GMT -4
Yeah, happy with this vote now.
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Post by Matt Stone on Jun 19, 2013 11:36:09 GMT -4
Well I got completely ignored, but at least the right vote was made regardless. I implore people to not ignore me and write my information off as wrong. If Stone flips town, then lynch me to death tomorrow. I don't know how many other ways I can say I am sure of this. There's a difference between you being right and you believing you're right Lie detect line: I am a town mason No idea how a cop got mason, but I would advise you to go back and make sure it wasn't saying I'm in a 3 person mason group. |
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