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Post by SalTal on Jul 30, 2013 6:02:43 GMT -4
Wow.. That was a hell of a way to respond.. I don't know what to think.. It's done my head in. If its true, it's a guaranteed vote to the end. But it's also s very safe claim and we can't verify. Who was next on the list? |
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Post by SalTal on Jul 30, 2013 6:33:59 GMT -4
Wow.. That was a hell of a way to respond.. I don't know what to think.. It's done my head in. If its true, it's a guaranteed vote to the end. But it's also s very safe claim and we can't verify. Who was next on the list? Actually, this might explain Pancho's death. Nothing in the write-up, just a videoclip from the film. But, Kash, why didNt you say PGO straight up when pressured? Unvote |
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Post by Pepsi on Jul 30, 2013 7:25:29 GMT -4
Unvote
So the Gooch lynch hasn't panned out. The Kash thing seemed like grasping at straws to me. We aren't getting anywhere and I am no longer interested in playing follow the leader. I am going to go back to my original instinct.
Vote: Hades
He is the only person left in the game who has really seemed fishy to me. I have stated my reasons for voting him at the beginning of this day phase, and I haven't seen anything to persuade me otherwise. If someone comes up with something real than I will switch my vote, for now this is what I believe is the best route.
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Post by Evan De Parker on Jul 30, 2013 7:46:14 GMT -4
Unvote
Before anyone questions me for inevitable inactivity throughout the day, I want to forewarn everyone that I'm going to be going on an eight-hour drive for my boss today and thus, probably won't be able to sign on for more than a minute or so at a time until the late afternoon or early evening.
I was never fully comfortable with the Gooch vote. I've announced several times who I think at least two of the scummy players are, and Hades is high on my radar, though admittedly it may be due to our lack of leads.
I never suspected Kash, but after seeing everything he said, I truly have NO idea what to think. His outbursts and his constant (semi-contradictory) posts (only after being targeted) draw some suspicion, but he announced his role and assuming he's 100% truthful, it's not a scum role. It's unlikely that Kash is scum.
Jules is obviously silenced. Sorry, Gooch, for getting confused yesterday when you said you were silenced-- I thought you meant for Day 4, which, in retrospect, wouldn't have made sense. Anyway, as for Jules, I felt that looking his way would be logical due to Sally insisting that the scum is a vet-- but now I feel like that's a huge setup. Clearly, somebody doesn't want him to defend himself. And did somebody say earlier that the "silencer" is a scum role?
Also, I asked before, but got no answer-- do we know how many scum members we're playing with? Again, sorry if it's a novice question. I just figured it was always either 2 or 3.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 30, 2013 9:02:16 GMT -4
Know what? Vote: KashI'm back on it because I think this is a manufactured reply, from Kash. I think it's a half-cooked response from a more experienced player. However, there is a weakness in my theory here, which I will make abundantly clear when I get to it. How isn't it called that? The fact is, you claim to be on the MafiaScum website (remember that: It's an important detail) in this series of exchanges: Jennings quotes the PGO page: And you reply with: Damnit I haven't gotten to that role on this page yet...You're right it is that. Exactly that. And: EBWOPHey! That's the same place I'm at right now. The problem is, you're claiming this 'jailbreaker' not PGO: EBWOPFor the sake of trying to SAVE Townies...I'm Jailbreaker I believe. Based on what I've read. And, granted, I'd normally (and actually did, just before) let a mislabelling slide from a relatively new player. But then I thought to myself: Hold on - what the heck *is* a jailbreaker? I mean, I've played a number of games, and it's just not come up before - certainly not in the notion that it's been described by you, Kash. And, given I'd dived back into playing mafia recently, I too had been on the MafiaScum website, and been refreshing myself with the recommended flash animation. And, again, I didn't recall at all reading anything about a jailbreaker. So I went back to both. Nope, nothing on the flash. Searched the MafiaScum wiki. Nothing for 'jailbreaker', 'jailbreak', 'jail breaker', 'jail break'. Just ... nothing. So I get back to thinking and wonder 'Hmmm, is it possible that Kash has completely invented a name for a role? Turns out, I'm pretty sure you have. Part of me thinks that maybe you were told by another player who is in your anti-town group who knows about PGOs/roles to claim something with incorrect wording to make it a) sound newbie, and b) provide you cover. But then, you've got this: Night role: Anyone who targets you at night for any reason will die. The problem with this (and this is the weakness in my theory) is that you've actually used AC's wording and grammar perfectly, as far as I can tell. I'll tell you what leads me to believe that that line there has been lifted straight out of a PM notifying you of a role: 'role' hasn't been capitalised. I checked my PM notification and it's the same. I imagine it's going to be the same with everyone else. At that point, I thought the whole plan would fall apart. I mean, if my suspicion is true and you have copy-pasted the line from a PM, then you really do have that role. However, before I shut it down in my mind, I thought about potential explanations: 1) You're third-party, and you're a PGO - I think Pentangeli (related to my Jules theory below). 2) You're third-party (more likely than scum, because I think we've accounted for the scum roles) and your partner (probably Roth) is the PGO, which is where you got the quote from. Your partner knew it was a safe claim (likely because they are playing in another game where I know someone else has claimed PGO and the debate has largely settled that that person is innocent). In both scenarios, we can account for Pancho's death being at the hands of a PGO - that is, his completely unexplained and non-scum/third party-based death back at the start of Day 3 - through both situations - one of the two third-party members is actually a PGO. Granted, we could also explain Pancho's death with a town PGO as well, so it's hardly conclusive. And, add in the fact that you are directly quoting a PM which we have no evidence for as being town or scum or third-party, my theory here is hardly watertight. Then again, this quote: I don't want another townie getting killed off. Doesn't gel with a late claim for PGO. If you knew *anyone* targeting you at night would get killed - why didn't you inform the town earlier? It would have saved at least one town, that's for sure. That is, mind you, an incredibly rookie move or an incredibly scummy move. What could really help this phase here is an answer to the following: Has anyone targeted Kash and not died with ANY action at all? You don't even need to say what you did, just a "I targeted Kash" and that's all. I think I've explained my vote on Kash. I'm resolved in my mind with it. What I want to do is roll the dice one last time: Stone turned up as Rocco Lampone. And he was used in the write-up as still being alive, having taken a shot at Hyman Roth. I thought that a bit strange and kept it aside until after I'd done my readings on Kash. Anyway, I came back and I see that Stone (when he was lynched) still had a vote on Jules. Now, hear me out. I know 'flavour haters' (people who don't believe there's all too much in the flavour other than inference and conjecture) aren't going to be sold on this alone, but think about the idea that Jules is Hyman Roth, and that 'flavour action from beyond the grave' was actually a clue from AC? I know, it's stretching. But given that Jules is silenced, it does strongly suggest he's not mafia. But that doesn't exclude him from being third=party. As for who is who and who's been listed, Envi, this is what we have now: Hyman Roth - 3rd Party Frank Pentangeli - 3rd party Michael Corleone - Town Kay Corleone - Town Fredo Corleone - Town Sunny Corleone - Town Clamenza - Town Carlo - Town  - Town Philip Tattaglia - Mafia - Mafia - Mafia Those three ' ' are for the three unaccounted players that are alive in the game, but not mentioned yet. I think it's fair to assume a 3/2 split over anti-town with these numbers, and no 'conversions'. |
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Post by Reaver on Jul 30, 2013 12:05:58 GMT -4
wat also strikes me is that kash mentions "gunning down" or "sniping" a lot in his posts over the past couple days (in game) so i think its safe to say that he certainly has a gun of some sorts.
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Post by Reaver on Jul 30, 2013 12:29:51 GMT -4
ebwop, this is wat gets me. james is CONFIRMED town from the write up and kash STILL made the accusation that he might be scum. thats like accusing sally of being scum knowing she is who she is at this point in the game. that doesnt sit well to me. also, something else bothers me, I'm just glad I didn't get killed the first night being someone who will likely be one of the first to go. Just from the start I'm positive of: What do you mean by this? Havent seen the movie forever. Just got a feeling my role will be on one of the first to go knowing my luck. Unless we rid of the scum... then we're all good. again we r back to hades. im curious as to wat kind of role that hades has that would warrant being targetted first. |
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Post by Reaver on Jul 30, 2013 12:31:54 GMT -4
ebwop again: sorry for triple posting.
FOS: Kash and Hades
i will b voting 1 of these guys today b4 the end of the phase.
* i will note that i will out and about running errands today since its my only day off so i may post again from my fone. so dont expect a huge talk session later on *
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Post by KJE on Jul 30, 2013 13:28:35 GMT -4
Sally, your post makes sense, and honestly... just like you did... if town, let people know day one not to target you so innocent people don't die. At the same time... Who would really target Kash n1? But to wait this long before mentioning being a PGO is odd...
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Post by Evan De Parker on Jul 30, 2013 14:30:42 GMT -4
Thanks for providing the list, Sally.
Gonna see what transpires over the next couple of hours and hop back on here after work.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 30, 2013 14:30:50 GMT -4
First, let me quote some things to get a few things straight.
Because reading the rules on page 1 like with most other Mafia games, it's not a smart move to role claim all the time. I was unsure of my role and what it was called. Hence why I was looking at the website to learn the roles more. As for the Jailbreak? I mistook the word for Jailkeeper. My bad and again I'm done with defending myself on this. I've stated that my Mini STROKE having Momma is what I put it on that I'm not lying. I'll quit fedding tomorrow if I'm scum. So please I know some of you want that so go ahead and vote and show who's right. Fact is scum is suppose to "lie" correct? So in truth so many people clearing someone for someone else could in fact be lies and maybe I'm one. I guess you'll have to take that leap of faith.
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Jul 30, 2013 15:10:39 GMT -4
Okay, I guess the Kash situation is the one that requires the most attention right now. I still wonder about Hades, but that's a debate tabled until this pressing matter is dealt with.
To start, I'll say that I think Kash is telling the truth back when he said he's not a silencer and not scum, and he swears on his mother that both are true. What bothers me about that, is that he says he's town elsewhere in his posts, but when he makes that particular statement when swearing on his mother, he doesn't say that he's town, just that he's NOT scum. It's a loophole... but it kinda stands out. With third party in the game, and usually only mafia members being referred to as scum from what I've seen, Kash is not lying, but that doesn't mean he's town. He made the not scum claim again, just before my post. Not that he's town, just not scum. Take from that what you will.
He seems quite contradictory in his statements as well. Claiming he doesn't know about the roles in the game and about third party, but he's all over MafiaWiki now. He says he mistook Jailkeeper for Jailbreaker. I'm a new player and I only found the Jailkeeper role by searching on the wiki. Unless Kash heard about it elsewhere he found it on the wiki earlier. And since Jailkeeper is nothing like the PGO description he quoted earlier he make huge mistakes or he's lying in some fashion. It's misinformation either way.
If he wants to protect town he should've told us about being able to kill anyone who targets him. He's said one thing, yet done another, if he's telling the complete truth.
I'm sorry to say Kash that all of this adds up to you being someone I'm not comfortable keeping in this game. I'm not entirely trusting of others in the game, but you seem like an out and out liability for the town, in the best case, or you're third party.
Vote: Kash
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jul 30, 2013 15:15:18 GMT -4
VOTE COUNT (with about 1:45 until the deadline):
Gooch: 2 (KJE, Hades)
Kash: 3 (Jennings, SalTal, Chaos Stryke)
Hades: 1 (Pepsi)
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Post by Evan De Parker on Jul 30, 2013 16:02:07 GMT -4
Alright... I'm certain that most, if not everyone, have had legitimate excuses for their inactivity or their "scummy" behavior, and it might be unfair to say that I'm getting annoyed at everyone's "I'll put my mafia/fedding on the line if I'm scum" approach because-- well, as Kash said earlier, lying is scummy lol. And no, I'm not saying anyone is making up their real life hindrances, just that the aforementioned methods proved successful so far to get votes off of you.
With an hour left to vote, literally ZERO leads aside from the mountain (well... hill) of evidence building against Kash, I feel pressured to make a decision, but I'm more comfortable with this vote than a Gooch vote.
Vote: Kash
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 30, 2013 16:08:05 GMT -4
To be fair I continue to overlook "Third Party" roles at all, keep thinking there is just town and scum. However I get the stacking vote against me. I never should have decided to crash course learning this game as I'm playing and making arguments in the game. One thing though, isn't the last vote towards me and my PGO role going to die as well? I'd have to look to remember completely but I think someone dies with me, maybe I'm wrong. If I had known PGO was something needed to be claimed early on so Town doesn't fall from targeting me I'd have done so. My bad and I am town. No third party, no scum. As I've said plenty times over in this game and the last I've played, I've never been given a role outside of Townie. So that includes this game. I put that on everything but I do get the reasons so vote away..
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Post by KJE on Jul 30, 2013 16:11:52 GMT -4
Honestly... posts like that piss me off. People swearing they will quit and shit if they are scum. Grow up. That is petty play. Because of that alone..
Vote:Kash
Swearing over momma's and quitting if you turn up scum or shit like that shouldn't be allowed within the game. It's really just petty.
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Post by KJE on Jul 30, 2013 16:12:32 GMT -4
Also... forgot to unvote..
Unvote Gooch, Vote Kash
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 30, 2013 16:14:45 GMT -4
EBWOP
Before I'm voted off, I have really enjoy this game. I hate Mafia most times but it's because I hadn't given it the fair shake to understand it. I'm going to sign on AIM to talk with some folks and grow in my knowledge of roles and next game I will play better, I swear. And Ms. Sally? You drop straight Bombs on folks sometimes and you should have a statue somewhere for how well you investigate even if you're wrong about me being Scum. Someone I'm surely going to watch and learn from so thank you as well. Deuces.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 30, 2013 16:18:45 GMT -4
EBWOP
Haha...Very nice personal shot there KJE! You're fitting RIGHT IN NOW!! Good for you..
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Post by Reaver on Jul 30, 2013 16:41:25 GMT -4
vote: kash
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Post by Evan De Parker on Jul 30, 2013 17:00:26 GMT -4
I see two people lurking that have not made votes... And I suppose we end the day with no lynch. This may or may not be a good thing. I'm leaning toward "not."
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jul 30, 2013 17:02:11 GMT -4
That's it! Reaver's post was the last of the day.
Final vote count:
Gooch: 1 (Hades)
Kash: 6 (Jennings, SalTal, Chaos Stryke, AKA Drake, KJE, Reaver)
Hades: 1 (Pepsi)
With the unneeded amount of votes for a lynch, day four ends in a NO LYNCH.
Night four begins now. Send in your night actions by 5 p.m. Eastern time on WEDNESDAY, JULY 31.
NOTE: Edited due to a discrepancy in the votes. My apologies; that was mod error.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jul 31, 2013 17:12:19 GMT -4
Cutting off night actions now. Writeup coming this evening; I'm at work for a few more hours, unfortunately.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Jul 31, 2013 21:36:32 GMT -4
Dawn has broken over New York, but we're far outside the city. We're in the swamps of New Jersey, where plenty of mob secrets are buried, and we see two cars pull up next to each other.
Out of one sedan walk Don Emilio Barzini, Philip Tattaglia, and Virgil “The Turk” Sollozzo, and out of the other walk Hyman Roth and Frank Pentangeli. The five stand on opposite sides of the street.
Sollozzo: “So have you considered my deal?”
Roth: “Yes. All due respect, we have to decline. I don't like what this has come to.”
Barzini: “Mr. Roth, are you sure? You and I in business together would mean TONS of money for all involved.”
Pentangeli: “Drugs aren't our business, Barzini. We don't deal in that crap.”
Roth: “Easy, Frank.”
Tattaglia: “No, it's okay. What we do isn't for everyone, and we respect that.”
Sollozzo: “However, since you now know too much...we can't let you leave here.”
Suddenly, everyone on the premises pulls out guns and fires. After a few seconds, the dust finally settles, with both cars driving off in opposite directions as police sirens howl in the distance. However, two men aren't making the trip, and will add to the murkiness of the swamps.
DEAD: Virgil “The Turk” Sollozzo – KJE – Mafia Hitman
DEAD: Frank Pentangeli – Reaver – Third Party Silencer
PLAYER LIST
1) Jennings
2) Pepsi
3) SalTal
4) Jules
5) Kash
6) Hades
7) Evan Envi/AKA Drake
8) Raab
9) Gooch
10) Chaos Stryke
With 10 players alive, it takes SIX votes for a lynch.
Day five begins NOW, and will end at 11 p.m. Eastern time on SATURDAY, AUGUST 3RD (Saturday is going to be absolutely CRAZY at my place of work, hence the slightly-extended day).
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Post by Jason Cashe on Jul 31, 2013 21:46:48 GMT -4
Lies! Folks is lying up a storm it seems! I'm not Mafia or 3rd Party but look at THAT! Tsk, Tsk...
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jul 31, 2013 22:24:39 GMT -4
LOL yeah, last night helped out a lot. Hades is town too. Figured there's no way Kash would make up a role like that so I went with Option B, Hades. Right now I'm looking at Pepsi, Raab, Stryke, and Envi. I believe three of the four are the remaining anti-town players given by who's been silenced and cleared. Can anyone clear any of these four?
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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 22:41:51 GMT -4
KJE - Well done. You played that real well. Thank gosh 3rd party killed her because I reckon she'd skate through.
Reaver turning up scum ... well, not surprised there. Her always been suspicious, just he could lurk behind others suspicion for a while.
Kash, I'm less inclined to believe you're scum or third party considering both KJE and Reaver were pushing for your lynch.
The way I see it, there's a couple of potential theories to come out of that. But let's establish where we were at at the end of the last day:
Voting Kash: Jennings, me, Stryke, Envi, KJE, Reaver
Not voting Kash: Pepsi, Hades, Gooch, Jules, Raab
First theory: Kash is town. Stryke and Envi are anti-town to get numbers up to near-lynch knowing that a town (or someone not in their factoon) is going to get lynched.
Second theory: Kash is third party. Stryke and Envi are scum to get numbers up to a near lynch not knowing they are lynching an anti-town. Reaver voted for potential cover in the next day phased.
Third theory: Kash is scum. Stryke and Envi are potentially town thinking they're doing the right thing, with additional possibility that another of them is the third party who, along with Reaver, discussed and decided to pile on.
Each of those have separate consequences for the non-Kash voters. If Kash is town, then Gooch or Raab may be a slow moving and inactive scummer/third party for not lynching.
If Kash is third party, based on the 3/2 anti-town break down then none of the non-Kash voters are third party. If anyone could confirm Kash as a third party, then they clear (in this regards) the other 5 from third party roles.
If Kash is scum, there are potentially (actually, likely) two scummer in the 5 non-Kash voters. 4 if you exclude Jules for being silenced. In that case, it's a 50/50 shot at hitting scum in that group (and I think we know where to start).
That's just to start us all off. I feel like something is staring me in the face and I'm just not seeing it. I'm on my phone so going through all the pages to pick up the details is hard. When I settle in for the night I will do that.
As for last night - no surprise I was roleblocked. I expect Jennings might be silenced this time around, which means Jules might be able to help this time around.
What's great is that the town doctor is still alive. With a bulletproof as well, the next day phase guarantees to at least two of us to go through.
What's not great is that we're 3 moves away from a loss.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 22:42:41 GMT -4
EBWOP
I see you're not silenced, Jennings. Great to hear.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 22:49:10 GMT -4
EBWOP
Just to ease things: 60% chance of hitting anti-town on the people not even pseudo-cleared (Pepsi, Envi, Raab, Gooch, Stryke).
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jul 31, 2013 22:50:30 GMT -4
I thought Gooch was cleared by L-O.
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