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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 22:55:02 GMT -4
Buckson Gooch is most likely town. In other words, if you have investigative roles, it is far better spent on someone else at this point. How far do we trust this now? |
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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 22:56:45 GMT -4
Ahh! Just reread things - silencer is dead. They were third party. There's been no evidence of a second silencer.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 23:01:13 GMT -4
EBWOP
Sorry I'm spamming (Hi Jason!) but on the phone hurts trying to take it all in.
L1 was the tracker. If he tracked Gooch, Gooch may be town or the third, unknown scum role out there. We can assume they have a GF (who would have done nothing), and the hitman is dead. There could be a third role (framer?) that the scum have that doesn't kill and would give a suspicion of innocence for the short term.
I'd like to think L1 tracked Gooch, and Gooch went to someone that remained alive. I would hate to think L1 tracked Gooch, who went nowhere as the GF, and L1 pseudo-cleared him on that.
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Jul 31, 2013 23:01:30 GMT -4
Moments like this make my head hurt...
My gut was right about KJE. I just had that sneaking suspicion when she suggested I might be lynch-able on day 3 when others were just suspicious of me replacing Rebel. Now that my feeling has been confirmed, I feel somewhat better.
I guess Reaver being third party shouldn't be a surprise. Offer a cookie to the one that called him on being a silencer though. Bang on there.
So with the mafia down a hitman, does that mean we might not have to worry about night kills or should we expect someone else to be able to carry them out now?
I'm gonna go back over posts and my notes and see if I can scrounge up any possible leads. I understand that I'm one of the potential suspects right now for my voting against Kash. I can't prove I'm town, but I did believe I was acting in the best interest of the town following the evidence present by voting as I did.
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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 23:06:47 GMT -4
Now that I've realised the third party was the silencer, I have to go an re-factor Jules into the theories. Damn.
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Post by Pepsi on Jul 31, 2013 23:06:53 GMT -4
Well obviously I am going to lobby for a vote on someone other than myself. Raab has been very quiet, Envi was quiet in the beginning, but came alive recently, Stryke still has the replacement thing hanging over his head. Not sure which of the three I would target at this point. Unfortunately Raab is the only one I have played with before, so I have no way to know if Stryke or Envi are playing to type or not.
There has been so much chaos it's hard to remember what has gone down. I have some reading to do, to try and see if there is anything I can catch. I truly hope the target isn't me, but I'm not sure what else I can do to convince you otherwise. I will just hope for the best.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Jul 31, 2013 23:43:10 GMT -4
My gut is telling me Raab and Envi. Just want to hear from them first. Stronger feeling about Raab out of the two.
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Post by Pepsi on Jul 31, 2013 23:44:26 GMT -4
Even after looking back it is tough o get a read on who might be scum. The best I could come up with was this post from day 1 from Raab. Can I ask why people think Reaver is scum by asking a question? This was in reference to Reaver's post about silencer being mentioned in the rules. It's possible Raab is the other 3rd party. It's light I know, but the only thing I can come up with. Worth stewing over I suppose. |
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Post by SalTal on Jul 31, 2013 23:45:44 GMT -4
We should take this day slow. Unless someone has something 100%, lets talk this through.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 0:09:26 GMT -4
I agree with that.
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 0:17:00 GMT -4
So you all think just because I asked a question that it's a scum move? Don't be silly. I am still learning the game for gods sake. How am I suppose to know what a scum post is and what isn't?
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 0:27:42 GMT -4
EBTWOP: I also didn't know that Knuckles turned out to be scum well third party because asking a question to me doesn't come out a scum post. I didn't say I was town in the last game because I had no proof but I am this time.
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 0:34:50 GMT -4
EBTWOP: As for me being quiet it's because I don't have any info to give seeing my role isn't a good one and I have you note that I haven't used my night role on anyone on this game at all so far.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 0:53:54 GMT -4
You haven't used your night role?!
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Post by SalTal on Aug 1, 2013 1:10:58 GMT -4
You haven't used your night role?! This. Raab - role claim. What actually IS your night role? |
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 1:51:11 GMT -4
No I haven't. I'm a hated town two shot hider. The night role I got is that I may pick up to two night phases and hide. So I can't be scum if I haven't used my night action.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 2:12:05 GMT -4
Hmm...I don't think you would make up something like that especially with what Kash said his role was.
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 2:28:39 GMT -4
That's excatly why I haven't voted for anyone because when I last had the role in a different game. I got a warning to not vote until it's the last vote to lynch someone. There's no way I'm making that same mistake again to vote in the middle of the votes.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Aug 1, 2013 2:36:26 GMT -4
EBWOP Sorry I'm spamming (Hi Jason!) but on the phone hurts trying to take it all in. L1 was the tracker. If he tracked Gooch, Gooch may be town or the third, unknown scum role out there. We can assume they have a GF (who would have done nothing), and the hitman is dead. There could be a third role (framer?) that the scum have that doesn't kill and would give a suspicion of innocence for the short term. I'd like to think L1 tracked Gooch, and Gooch went to someone that remained alive. I would hate to think L1 tracked Gooch, who went nowhere as the GF, and L1 pseudo-cleared him on that. NICE!!!! This has me STILL smiling! That's awesome! And the "legal" approach to breaking down the 3 options on me was tremendous! I'm town but damnit if I wasn't sitting there jaw dropped in how well everything was deciphered and put together. Sally by FAR the best Mafia player I've seen thus far. Just lays it DOWN..Well done. Still townie but well done regardless. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 2:36:40 GMT -4
Raab, that role is Actor. You can vote at any time because your role doesn't deal with voting and vote counts.
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 2:44:12 GMT -4
Oh oops sorry. I thought it was a hated townie thing. God I'm an awful mafia player. I can already see myself getting another Branden Harvey award. I should just find some beginner games to play online so I can play better.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 3:03:43 GMT -4
Ok well who do you think is scum?
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 3:26:41 GMT -4
Good question cos I'm unsure now. At first I thought it was Gooch then that was cleared to not be scum. Then Kash with posting nearly over the place but I'm doing the same thing. Maybe Jules I'm looking at since he's pretty quiet but I may look at this all wrong.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 3:35:02 GMT -4
Jules might've been silenced. I'm going to withhold judgment on that until he posts again.
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Post by Jules on Aug 1, 2013 4:57:06 GMT -4
Well that was frustrating. I was sure Kash was the silencer watching from the sidelines, but I'm glad wisdom saw through. I was silenced last night, and all the pieces fit into place with Knuckles offering me up early last phase and turning up silencer.
I'm going to go back through everything myself, take into account Sally's post, and hopefully can turn something up.
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 7:00:12 GMT -4
No I haven't. I'm a hated town two shot hider. The night role I got is that I may pick up to two night phases and hide. So I can't be scum if I haven't used my night action. Fair enough. Back to square one then. |
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Post by SalTal on Aug 1, 2013 7:08:41 GMT -4
No I haven't. I'm a hated town two shot hider. The night role I got is that I may pick up to two night phases and hide. So I can't be scum if I haven't used my night action. Fair enough. Back to square one then. Actually, not quite square one. We're trying to root out 2 scum and 1 third party. Every person we can account for helps us infinitely. Confirmed town: Jennings, me, Hades Suspected town: Kash, Raab Left over: Stryke, Envi, Pepsi, Gooch, Jules 3 in 5 are better than even odds. Far from square one. I've got some ideas on how we can narrow that down - as soon as I'm off this phone and home, I'll elaborate. But, as far as I can tell: scum and partiers are on borrowed time right now. |
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Post by SalTal on Aug 1, 2013 7:41:31 GMT -4
Ok. Here's where my head is at. I said I felt something was staring me in the face and, after some time, I started to see through it all.
If Kash is town, why wasn't he hammered?
Who didn't hammer?
Hades, Pepsi, Gooch, Jules
1) Jules was silenced, couldn't vote, therefore couldn't hammer
2) Gooch was inactive, didn't hammer
3) Pepsi voted Hades, Hades confirmed town
4) Hades voted Gooch, Gooch suspected scum
That's the order of suspicion. If we assume that 2/3 scum were on the Kash/town lynch, the third one not being able to lynch makes complete sense. So we're they inactive or silenced?
So we are narrowed down to Gooch and Jules.
But is that all? No!
It would makes sense for the third party to also lynch Kash/the town. And we can also assume 1/2 third parties were on the vote too. Again, where's the second third party to hammer? Inactive or silenced?
Simply put, the silencer wouldn't likely silence their own, and given that Jules was silenced, I get to this:
Jules is scum. He was silenced by third party and couldn't take part in the Kash lynch.
Gooch is third party. L1 'cleared' him because his third party role is either nothing or something that does not require a night action.
The vote is simple: Jules or Gooch. This, to me, is as clear as we will get.
All that accounts for my general suspicion that Pepsi and Envi are town, leaving us with the original suspicion that Stryke is scum - given the problem he has hanging over his head of his whole replacement problem.
Now ... discuss.
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 7:49:17 GMT -4
Ok. Here's where my head is at. I said I felt something was staring me in the face and, after some time, I started to see through it all. If Kash is town, why wasn't he hammered? Who didn't hammer? Hades, Pepsi, Gooch, Jules 1) Jules was silenced, couldn't vote, therefore couldn't hammer 2) Gooch was inactive, didn't hammer 3) Pepsi voted Hades, Hades confirmed town 4) Hades voted Gooch, Gooch suspected scum That's the order of suspicion. If we assume that 2/3 scum were on the Kash/town lynch, the third one not being able to lynch makes complete sense. So we're they inactive or silenced? So we are narrowed down to Gooch and Jules. But is that all? No! It would makes sense for the third party to also lynch Kash/the town. And we can also assume 1/2 third parties were on the vote too. Again, where's the second third party to hammer? Inactive or silenced? Simply put, the silencer wouldn't likely silence their own, and given that Jules was silenced, I get to this: Jules is scum. He was silenced by third party and couldn't take part in the Kash lynch. Gooch is third party. L1 'cleared' him because his third party role is either nothing or something that does not require a night action. The vote is simple: Jules or Gooch. This, to me, is as clear as we will get. All that accounts for my general suspicion that Pepsi and Envi are town, leaving us with the original suspicion that Stryke is scum - given the problem he has hanging over his head of his whole replacement problem. Now ... discuss. James had cleared Jules at one point. So we must then be going off the assumption that Jules is Godfather and will get an innocent read if investigated. Of course that would make sense as the scum has played a very good game, and Jules is the most experienced of the suspects. He has also played a much more low key game even before his silencing than is normal for him. I am definitely leaning this way. I would like to see a consensus before voting as to avoid another game of musical voting. |
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 1, 2013 7:49:29 GMT -4
Oh wow. There was honestly not a second where I considered that KJE may have been scum.
Skimmed through this thread this morning, and I see that my name is thrown out there a little. I'm gonna read through this thread while at work and hop back on sometime during the day. That way, when I defend myself, I have some solid facts to lean back on.
As for my last post before the write-ups, the 2 "lurkers" I mentioned that had been sitting on the boards, but not making votes, were Jules and Raab, but both have been explained and one of the explanations was already suspected.
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