THE GODFATHER MAFIA - DAY EIGHT (6 players)

[Matt Stone]

Jul 25, 2013 19:10:07 GMT -4 Jules said:

Jul 25, 2013 14:33:46 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

You're under suspicion because of Rebel, Stryke. Like I said we're looking at vet players. Speaking of that, going with my gut feeling about who the mastermind most likely is. With myself and L-O being town, there's one more top level player left so that's who I think is behind everything.

Vote: Jules

Honestly, I'm not sure what to say this. I understand the theory you have James, but really it's a hunch; I'm not sure how you respond to a hunch. I think you're being a bit disingenuous to the a lot of other people too. You want to go with that, you do what you got to do, but it's a mistake.

Level-One was able to clear Sally night 1, did anything else turn up last night?

vote: Stone

He blows his load night 2 on a hunch that didn't even have any real backing, and I don't buy there being two vigs in this game, even if it is The Godfather. It's either one of the worst vig plays I've ever seen, or this guy is lying. We've seen enough from Stone to know he isn't a terrible player, so I think he's lying.

Finally, someone votes for me. Has to call me terrible in the process, but I'll take it. You skipped the write-up though, as its clearly green killing green. Scum skips write-ups, not town.

Vote: Jules

[Reaver]

.....FINALLY!!! im glad somebody is getting a laugh somewhere but to silence me in THIS game nite 1? bad timing. u have no idea how nuts i was going.

well done sally on the knowledge of godfather. although 2 is WAY better than 3. i just cant let sally show me up. so looking on; i remember how stone was seemingly trying to attack me. i figured to let it go while i was silenced but after his comment "i killed speede on a hunch" (roughly) makes me suspicious of him.

FOS: Stone and Stryke

i have no evidence to provide other than the obvious so all im doing is keeping an eye on them. i do find it odd that more than 1 vig would b in this game. i also agree with the whole LA concept cuz in my HORROR MOVIE MAFIA game i moved stuff around for the same reason and modkilled vanilla's only. so it makes sense. i would like some more evidence b4 i place a vote.

finally, im wondering who got silenced this day phase so here is a list of those who checked in.

me
jules
stone
L-O
sally
pepsi
raab
jamesV
KJE
hades
LA
envi
smith

am i missing anybody?

not checked in:

kash
gooch

i miss anybody?

[Level-Two]

Buckson Gooch is most likely town. In other words, if you have investigative roles, it is far better spent on someone else at this point.

Vote: Matt Stone

I am not buying the vig kill claim. I did for a second because I don't see why he'd come out with it but I have a feeling he wanted to get the jump in case he was watched doing it. By coming out and claiming early, he dispels that off the bat. And why would he claim early? After night one, he asked (jokingly) how many people targeted him last night... after the last game, he knows he was targeted a lot and his paranoia has carried over.

Second, we already had one vig dead. So, now not only are we supposed to buy into that there are two but we are also supposed to buy into the fact you capped someone on a day two baseless hutch? If you are a town vig, thanks for digging us a deeper hole. Much is appreciated. Not.

There were two kills last night which gives some credit to Stone's case... but the absence of scum in EITHER write up, makes me think it is more likely the mafia had an extra kill to spare and this was thought up in a QT.

Finally, someone votes for me. Has to call me terrible in the process, but I'll take it. You skipped the write-up though, as its clearly green killing green. Scum skips write-ups, not town.

Matt Stone pointed ^^^ that out, however the problem is there is an absence of Mafia in BOTH write up deaths and I think the Mafia QT used this to form Matt Stone's safe claim.

Irregardless, you are useless to the town as far as a role is concerned. It's a gamble I am more than willing to make and it's significantly more solid than the one you jumped on Jules with.

[Matt Stone]

Hey, if you want to lynch me, go ahead. I'll spin green 1 shot vig just like Rufio did though vOv. If that's what the town wants is to get rid of a vanilla townie, I'm all for it, they're boring.

[Level-Two]

Jul 25, 2013 21:46:19 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

Hey, if you want to lynch me, go ahead. I'll spin green 1 shot vig just like Rufio did though vOv. If that's what the town wants is to get rid of a vanilla townie, I'm all for it, they're boring.

No, I much rather hit scum, so I'm sticking to my vote.

[Matt Stone]

EBWOP:

I will say though that if I was Maf, I would know the watcher was Role Blocked and wouldn't have outed out of self preservation, unless you think Speede went after the confirmed watcher.

[SalTal]

Vote: Matt Stone

[Victor Hades]

Vote: Stone

[Michael Jennings]

Unvote
Vote: Stone

I'm willing to go along with this but Jules is still on my radar as is Knuckles.

[Matt Stone]

lol, dat bandwagon

[KJE]

Sorry, to me, Matt plays a smart game, and right now I am wondering if he is a jester and trying to get himself lynched...

[Level-Two]

Jul 26, 2013 2:11:51 GMT -4 KJE said:

Sorry, to me, Matt plays a smart game, and right now I am wondering if he is a jester and trying to get himself lynched...

I think it's sheer arrogance and I am not going to be phased by it.

[KJE]

I hope you're right then.

[SalTal]

Add some sort of discussion contribution:

1) I am also suspicious of the Rebel replacement. Modkills are a drag on the game, yes. And two would be pretty meh, so I can see a reason to seek out a replacement. But given the veracity with which the previous modkill went through, I can't help but wonder if this role *needed* replacing. My suspicion (based on conjecture alone) is there, along with others.

2) I was attempting to watch L1 again, given that the scum are more likely to target 'veteran' players. It doesn't seem to have been of much consequence at this stage, as L1, you're still around.

3) We can assume that Kash or Gooch has been silenced and, perhaps, one of Kash or Gooch is the silencer. Pretty safe play for the silencer to silence Knuckles and then remain inactive to claim to have been silenced.

4) The write-ups now confuse me. Is there a chance we have a framer? I mean, Pancho is dead of ... a heart attack? Did mafia kill him? Did someone else have a vig one shot? He wasn't modkilled (given that he was active Day 2). Given there's not a single mention of the mafia in the write-up (and yes, i know it's all flavour), I'm thinking there might be a framer somewhere in this. However, another part of me thinks that's absurd as the the mafia have: A Godfather, Roleblocker, Framer, Silencer. Though I know games I've been part of there have been some combos of those. Anyway, confusing, nonetheless.

Now, onto the guts of this all: Stone.

The Stone vote is, well, whatever at this stage. I mean, I just got in on the vote to see what the reaction was after I voted with nothing of mention. Interesting that Hades threw up a vote with no explanation (like I did, granted) as well. I believe he is claiming inexperience with some errors, but still a little suspect in my eyes.

Anyway, Stone: His push on Knuckles on the first day for knowing about a silencer ... I wonder if it wasn't a conscious effort to shift blame. That is to say, Stone may be the silencer and when Knuckles accidentally drew attention to it he panicked and tried to throw it back on Knuckles. Then silenced him at night to perhaps try and see if anyone went for him. Day 2 was dead, nothing happened, so nothing could be made of it.

But the most disconcerting thing is how did Stone go from this:

Jul 23, 2013 9:52:01 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

I'll cast a vote before deadline if needed, but I'm not sold on the Speede lynch. Seems like an "educated random lynch" at best. Even without a lynch, with the no kill last night town will be more informed tomorrow.

To this:

Jul 25, 2013 14:25:28 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

I shot Speede. I have/had the same role as Ron. I'm just VT now.

Over the period of hours, after the back of a completely and utterly useless Day 2? I mean, We're no more informed now with you vig killing him than we were lynching him than we were NOT lynching him! There's no sense in shooting him. If you HAD to shoot someone, why not shoot one of the inactive people to save the town an active player.

And I know you will pivot to this for a defence:

Jul 23, 2013 18:52:17 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

vote: Speede

With 5 hours to DL, we learn more from this lynch then we do with an NL at this point, and with a lack of defense from Speede, his sus meter has risen for me.

But still ... when did you go from "We will learn more by not randomly lynching Speede tomorrow" to "We should lynch Speede and we will actually now learn more from it" to "I wanted to vig kill him because he was suspect". It's backwards logic to me. At the best, scum play. At the worst, anti-town play.

So when you came in today and willingly admitted to killing Speede ... no, I think you're trying to cover. No one asked or fished for clues. I mean, the closest was L1, who said:

Jul 25, 2013 10:25:13 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

It's worrying that the Mafia was able to kill two townies tonight.

Either you were trying to directly reply to L1 with your comment, or you wanted to get out ahead and kill any idea that might come up from people having something on you. Mind you, if you were scum, you would have know I didn't see you last night so the main source of accusations should be silenced. That doesn't particularly sit well with me (that is, it doesn't fit my suspicions here), but there's still suspicions there nonetheless.

Also, the wording of this:

Jul 21, 2013 2:59:59 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

Jul 21, 2013 2:55:49 GMT -4 papapancho said:

I'm not too pleased by Stone's opening joke post but it's nothing worth pouncing on at the moment.

Judging from AC's comment about night actions this means we could be in line for a lot more modkills

This is a good point. If you have a 1x use power like Ron, please PM the mod each night even if you are not going to use your action, simply say "no action" so he knows you're paying attention.

Stands out. I'm not linguistics professor, but I would have thought someone might say "If you ALSO have" rather than "If you have" given that he, himself, is claiming to have a one-shot vig kill. There's hardly any weight at all to this being any sort of evidence against Stone being scum, but the wording there just doesn't sit with me.

Too much suspicion, claiming to be a VT, ONLY had a vig one-shot ... it's worth a vote in my eyes.

[Level-Two]

I honestly believe it is more likely Matt Stone has had an extra scum kill then their being two town aligned vigs. Once the write ups went up, he quickly claimed town vig/vanilla townie because of the lack of detail.

So, I don't think it was a master plan at all. I think the mafia used an extra kill to make up for the one they lost on day one and this Matt Stone move was a brash one.

[Matt Stone]

I don't need a defense. You guys want to lynch a claimed VT, I'm fine with that. I don't like playing VT, especially in a game where we either don't have a cop, or we have a scared town. Im just letting you know I'm putting that L-1 quote in my sig when Im lynched.

[Michael Jennings]

Jul 26, 2013 3:50:37 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

I don't need a defense. You guys want to lynch a claimed VT, I'm fine with that. I don't like playing VT, especially in a game where we either don't have a cop, or we have a scared town. Im just letting you know I'm putting that L-1 quote in my sig when Im lynched.

Don't worry. I'm still looking at Jules and Stryke no matter what happens. That hasn't changed. Just throwing that out there.

[Matt Stone]

Jul 26, 2013 4:06:49 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Jul 26, 2013 3:50:37 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

I don't need a defense. You guys want to lynch a claimed VT, I'm fine with that. I don't like playing VT, especially in a game where we either don't have a cop, or we have a scared town. Im just letting you know I'm putting that L-1 quote in my sig when Im lynched.

Don't worry. I'm still looking at Jules and Stryke no matter what happens. That hasn't changed. Just throwing that out there.

Not to defend Stryker, but he didnt sign up for replacement until day 2 started, so he might just be town. Jules I'm pretty sure is worth checking out. I would suggest we get a tracker on him. (Dont out who you are tracker).

[Michael Jennings]

Stryke is only on my radar since he replaced Rebel and my theory is there are vets in the mafia hence the tactics in this game.

[Matt Stone]

Im a little baffled at L-1's play though, saying the mafia could have 2 kills, or as he put it, a kill left over. I went off James' read and it was wrong. Whether you want to believe me or not, that's your call. Perhaps if a third or fourth one shot vig came forward, people would be more inclined to believe me.

[Lord Raab]

How come that when people are silenced that they don't post on a certain day? Would they get mod killed or something if they post something on the day phase they got silenced?

[Lord Raab]

EBTWOP: Oh wait NVM. I just read the rules of the game about it stupid me on completely missing that out.

[Level-Two]

Jul 26, 2013 5:10:12 GMT -4 Matt Stone said:

Im a little baffled at L-1's play though, saying the mafia could have 2 kills, or as he put it, a kill left over. I went off James' read and it was wrong. Whether you want to believe me or not, that's your call. Perhaps if a third or fourth one shot vig came forward, people would be more inclined to believe me.

Wait, why is it so hard to believe that someone on the mafia team (you?) is harboring an extra factional kill? That to me is more likely than their being two town vigs.

Vigs aren't that great of a role to begin with and if we are to believe you are telling the truth, then that would be your exhibit A.

I am not saying I don't have doubts about this lynch, your play afterwards has thrown me for a loop... but Knuckles has done that to us to only to flip red right afterwards anyways so I am not reading too much into it.

At the very least we get rid of someone who is clearly detrimental to the town at this point. You've been egging the town on even prior to these votes and you for some reason continue to do so afterwards. You then state you don't even want to play this game, which is contrary to your posting habits. It's also clear you'll hop onto just about any lynch to get it through after already capping one of our townies off flimsy ass evidence.

On the flip side, we can lynch you and you can flip scum which is more likely be it circumstantial evidence.

If you have no problem throwing votes at Jules for NOTHING than don't sit here and be shocked at me coming at you for more. It's hypocrisy.

I also have taken note that it was one of your CWC buddies who so happened to bite the bullet last night.

[Pepsi]

Maybe it's just because I have learned to never trust Stone, but something does seem off about him. Sally's points about how he went from being only partially sold on a Speede lynch, to using a Vig kill on him are very valid. His play since the lynch started to form is odd as well. I think he is playing the go ahead and lynch me card because he saw it work for Hades, because it is not like Stone to lay down and die like that. Strikes me as very odd.

Vote: Stone

[A.C. Smith]

Vote count:

Jules: 1 (Stone)
Stone: 6 (Jules, L-1, SalTal, Hades, Jennings, Pepsi)

Again, with 14 players alive, it takes EIGHT votes for a lynch.

[Evan De Parker]

Looking at veteran players like Sally and L1 (whom I'm certain is town) pointing the finger with valid evidence toward Stone, I don't feel that it'd be smart to go against it lol.

To be honest, I'm still not entirely convinced that Rebel's role wasn't important, casting some (in my opinion) warranted suspicion on Stryke. He's done nothing wrong, really, but just due to the timing, it seems illogical to not at least look at the situation under a magnifying glass, so to speak.

Yeah, but anyway!

Vote: Stone

[Evan De Parker]

EBWOP

Vote: Stone

[Reaver]

a few things first...

sally said it all. how do u change feelings about somebody so easily? and how is sally kicking my ass in this game? i would also like to note the defense of LA after the replacement. possible scum buddies? he certainly would be a good choice to check out later on. i wasnt fully fully convinced on the stone lynch until sallys post and his argument with L-O. whoever scum r, they r experienced players n know exactly how to play. that being said i believe that stone is playing that game.

Vote: Stone

[A.C. Smith]

That is a LYNCH as of Reaver's vote. No more talking!

DEAD: Rocco Lampone - Matt Stone - Town One-Shot Night Vigilante

This will be worked into the night write-up. In the meantime, submit your night actions by 1 p.m. on SATURDAY, JULY 27.

[A.C. Smith]

Night actions cut off. I will be assembling the write-up this afternoon at work; may take a little while, but it'll be up this afternoon.