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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 9, 2011 12:01:28 GMT -4
m trying to be more ooc actve so ive read the " miz jiz " of this last page
my thoughts on :
Miz as champ : He shouldnt be allowed any where near that title for at least another two years of top matches. We all know WWE likes to give the ball to people who will make them money and yes, miz makes them money cuz he knows how to talk but skill wise- i still see him as an inbetween. I shoould mark out for the miz cuz he's the champ and the champs suppose to save the day- I don't get that feel from him.
He also isnt one of the fav's. mcintyre, sheamus .. yeah, they are. i havent seen mcintyre wrestle so i can't comment on him at all but sheamus.. John Morrison carried his ass through their KOR match and that TLC .
Beniot - Don't be a fan boy.. he killed TWO people. he didnt accidentialy kill two people in a MVA , no he strangled the life out of his wife and son. WWE did the correct thing.
As for cena not losing, hogan never lost... hell he wouldnt even
" job " to HBK.. wwhy ? cuz hogan saddly = money and ratings. John Cena = the revival of pro wrestling. Like most of us loved hogan as kids and here we are, still watching- those kids will do what we're doing. in ten years WWE will go full circle an we'll have the reinvented attitude era to keep those 8 year old, who are now pushing 18 or so intrested in the product.
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Post by brandenharvey on Jan 9, 2011 13:09:39 GMT -4
I think Benoit should be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame this year. That stuff he did out of the ring, while horrible, doesn't diminish what he did in the ring.
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 9, 2011 13:49:04 GMT -4
on one hand ur right but on the other it's been said that it takes a life time to build a repuation and only one second to ruin it. No one can look at beniot and just " over look " how things ended. plus the stigma and statement WWE would face and make by inducting him. The media would be all over WWE again if:
" this just in, WWE inducts child killer into its hall of fame. "
thats a fact you have to face. Be it that beniot was a great wrestler- its tarnished and you just cant " over look " that or belittle that due to the circumstances of the situation. If the situation was diffrent then sure, put him in but its not unfortunately
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Post by "The Madman" Ebon on Jan 9, 2011 17:37:10 GMT -4
Im not so down on Sheamus as you are he's had good matches with Triple H and Randy Orton, but he needs to learn how to work with guys like John Morrison and Evan Bourne, I think he's overly cautius with them, he legitametly injured Jamie Noble and I think that's messed with his head but give him time and let him learn how to adjust his style to mesh with the smaller guys
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Post by brandenharvey on Jan 9, 2011 20:11:23 GMT -4
he had some good matches with Orton but his match with H was crap.
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 9, 2011 21:37:07 GMT -4
right H an Ortan had to carry him. I'm sure he is cautious if he injuried noble and WITH TIME he'll be good. the talent is there but it was too much too fast. IMO
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Post by "The Madman" Ebon on Jan 9, 2011 23:40:18 GMT -4
guys with lesser skill have been pushed further and faster
*cough* Cena *cough*
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 10, 2011 0:06:55 GMT -4
have we forgoten his US title reign ? his fued with lesner- his fued with taker ? his first match with kurt angle ? has the world forgotten the early part of the 2000's ? Cena worked his ass off with noteable people in great matches. I turned on the tv one day and was like " wtf, whose this red haired guy with a title ?" cena's proven and has more wrestling and mic skills then hogan - proven fact but the kids need a hero , they have it. you had it when you were a kid, we all did. just sucks we got stuck with hogan...  |
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Post by "The Madman" Ebon on Jan 10, 2011 0:13:59 GMT -4
I agree that Cena wasnt bad, but he's regressed, I think in the last 4 years he's had one good match with HBK but HBK had a great match with Mr. McMahon as well
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 10, 2011 0:17:08 GMT -4
is it personal regression or just the fact of the matter? he doesnt have to bust his ass to be over
he screams " the champ is here " hits an FU pins you.. game over.. same as hogan.. protected by his gimmick
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Post by Level-Two on Jan 10, 2011 0:18:15 GMT -4
on one hand ur right but on the other it's been said that it takes a life time to build a repuation and only one second to ruin it. No one can look at beniot and just " over look " how things ended. plus the stigma and statement WWE would face and make by inducting him. The media would be all over WWE again if: " this just in, WWE inducts child killer into its hall of fame. " thats a fact you have to face. Be it that beniot was a great wrestler- its tarnished and you just cant " over look " that or belittle that due to the circumstances of the situation. If the situation was diffrent then sure, put him in but its not unfortunately On one hand I'd say, fuck what the lame-stream-media has to say, but on the other hand--you're right. I think I said this already, but the WWE is a buisness and it's the best best buisness decision to ignore Benoit... end of. And dare I say it, Cena isn't bad. Especially now that I'm no longer blinded by fanboyism of this declining sport. Cena isn't nor has ever been the problem with the WWE... it all comes back to a horrible creative team and WWE's watering down of the in-ring product. I'd argue Cena has grown to being the best they have in terms of an overall package... I find Shemus boring, the odd occasions I have watched him. I can't say much more about that... And the big world championships has never been about who ''wrestles'' the best. I can't believe the internet community continues to harp on points, not backed up by the facts of the past. It is about who brings them money, not about how many front flips they can do off the top rope in one match. |
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 10, 2011 0:27:01 GMT -4
L-1 u are my new hero.. thank you
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Post by brandenharvey on Jan 10, 2011 0:41:33 GMT -4
I think Cena is good. He always has been. I think he's better as a heel, but he's still not bad as a face. I just wish they would've turned him heel when they did the Nexus thing.
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 10, 2011 0:52:08 GMT -4
i agree an would have liked to see that happen too but who woulda been face ? all of raw ? R truth and mark henry ? lol
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Post by Matt Ward on Jan 10, 2011 4:42:52 GMT -4
That where you make CM Punk Face then have Cena Heel, then you have a fued right their instead of having Cena Face and CM Punk Heel. Then you have Daniel Bryan Danielson that could be a top face long with Orton, Morrison.
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 10, 2011 14:59:40 GMT -4
is ortan eve a believable face ? he's been a horrible heel for so long - people talk about super cena what about the randy ortan robot with a severe lack of voca and facial expressions
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Post by brandenharvey on Jan 10, 2011 16:02:07 GMT -4
I hated Orton for a long time. But in the last few years he seems to have learned to work a match. I think he's a believable face. He's Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan. That's a good place for him. He may even turn heel again someday and feud with Cena again.
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Post by Level-Two on Jan 10, 2011 16:18:23 GMT -4
I hated Orton for a long time. But in the last few years he seems to have learned to work a match. I think he's a believable face. He's Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan. That's a good place for him. He may even turn heel again someday and feud with Cena again. Off topic... Is there some type of virus/link in your ''Survive and Conquer spoiler'' thread? I can't click it without my browser freezing up... but every other thread on this board works fine... |
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Post by The Chosen Future on Jan 10, 2011 16:50:21 GMT -4
I hated Orton for a long time. But in the last few years he seems to have learned to work a match. I think he's a believable face. He's Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan. That's a good place for him. He may even turn heel again someday and feud with Cena again. you can't compare savage to ortan. I see more potential in wade barret then ortan. right now if played "correctly", if they follow through with Cena vs Punk, then it would punk that would best fill the savage slot because you can flip with his heel/ face turn like you could with savage. You can get behind a comeback , worry about a lose, antisipate a good run, get behind a heel turn and being a jerk- punk HAS that level of depth which Ortan sorely lacks. |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jan 10, 2011 18:26:01 GMT -4
I hated Orton for a long time. But in the last few years he seems to have learned to work a match. I think he's a believable face. He's Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan. That's a good place for him. He may even turn heel again someday and feud with Cena again. Off topic... Is there some type of virus/link in your ''Survive and Conquer spoiler'' thread? I can't click it without my browser freezing up... but every other thread on this board works fine... I've been having the same problem. I don't know what it is. It pisses me off because I cut a promo on Knuckles and I don't remember what I said. |
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Post by Ryan Ruckus on Jan 10, 2011 19:34:15 GMT -4
1. Had the same board problem.
2. Miz is AWESOME. World champ awesome? Meh. But I'm all for seeing what new guys can do with the strap.
3. John Cena is AWESOME. Hulk Hogan awesome? Meh. Maybe adjusted for inflation. I agree he's the best total DRAWING package they have.
4. Hogan WAS awesome. Be real with yourself. When we were kids, before we new any better, Hulk Hogan was the man.
5. Fanboys are pretentious as a rule. It does no good to bring logic into the situation.
6. Sheamus could ruck off and die, and it'd probably be 2 months before I even noticed. Hell, it took me two Raws (and a fair bit of IWC avoidance) to notice Jericho was gone. And I LOVE him.
7. Benoit will never make the HoF. That's just the facts, ma'am.
8. Randy Orton as a face? If you're cheered, you're a face. (unless you're Cena, who gets a fair amount of smark heat)
9. Did I cover everything?
10. Meh...
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Post by President Jeff on Jan 10, 2011 19:51:53 GMT -4
I hated Orton for a long time. But in the last few years he seems to have learned to work a match. I think he's a believable face. He's Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan. That's a good place for him. He may even turn heel again someday and feud with Cena again. Off topic... Is there some type of virus/link in your ''Survive and Conquer spoiler'' thread? I can't click it without my browser freezing up... but every other thread on this board works fine... I was having same problem, was able to get into it though with Firefox. I think Branden's "Spoiler" fucked it up somehow |
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Post by brandenharvey on Jan 10, 2011 23:02:04 GMT -4
That's weird.
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