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Post by brandenharvey on Apr 8, 2011 21:27:58 GMT -4
@ Branden - He couldn't have checked himself out if he checked out Sally That was my point, CJ. I'm not saying lynch Sally. I'm saying hold off on Sally until we find more out about Jeff. Jeff could be insane. Or he and Sally could be scum together. We don't know. Also... someone random killed Ryan to frame Branden? |
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Post by President Jeff on Apr 8, 2011 21:30:40 GMT -4
I'm the only one so far to has accurate information to share with everyone to help the town. If your not gonna believe me, then we may all just throw in the towel cause the Mafia will win. Why would I vote Sally on Day 1 only to come back on day 2 and say she's not scum.
Branden, your throwing out the paranoid/Insane cop card cause I'm assuming you saw that posted over at Kapow in the buffy game. You sir are looking scummier by the minute
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Post by brandenharvey on Apr 8, 2011 21:35:18 GMT -4
Actually, it was used on me at Kapow. It turned out I was paranoid.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 8, 2011 22:47:08 GMT -4
I'm the only one so far to has accurate information to share with everyone to help the town. I never said that you're information was useless. I'm just trying to make sure we cover all our bases before we go lynching. And say we take that as it is, and Sally is 100% town. That means you should be town. Which makes Branden the remaining suspect on some people's lists. Considering that you, Sally and Branden seem to be the most suspect on the lists provided so far...you have to see where the hesitation to jump on your train of Sally being 100% town comes from. |
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Post by SalTal on Apr 9, 2011 2:10:19 GMT -4
First of all, believe Jeff. He is telling the truth.
I will readily admit that I was going hard to lynch Branden. I can hardly say “See, I told you all”, but I did say that if we were going to lynch someone, it might as well be Branden to either remove a distraction (at worst) or to get rid of him (at best).
And I’m hardly going to try and cover up the fact that I was happy to lynch a townie … in the event that BRANDEN turns up town. It was a calculated risk, as I saw it. I’m not going to hide from that fact.
And yes, I know I jumped on Blade (was I the last?) but that’s because all the experienced people had made a pretty good argument about him being scum. But let’s not resort to the ‘hindsight’ bickering. If he looked scum, and you could make an argument against him, then so be it. We were wrong, it was unfortunate, but that’s the way it all falls.
Now, I will agree (going back to Branden) that he is looking very scummy. I mean, look at the facts which have been presented. But now, I’m not as sure. I still think he is scum, but not sure enough to throw out a vote against him. In the first round, I saw the risk-reward as worth it. But in the subsequent rounds, the risk-reward is reduced significantly.
If Branden was scum, would it have been smart to kill off two of his own votes? Similarly, if I survived after going after Branden hard, maybe it’s to keep people going after him (the scum hoping that we would come back and say “It must be Branden!”).
I think I’ll hold off from throwing out names this turn. Before, when we had more numbers, we could be more aggressive. This time though? Have to be a little more reserved.
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Apr 9, 2011 4:30:13 GMT -4
Wow. Okay just finally getting on a computer to see what is up. Just found out we got rid of Blade the doctor. So I'm assuming we are screwed if we need saving? Still learning.
I had only voted for Blade the last day because I had no clue who to believe was scum. I saw everyone going after Blade and figured they had more experience than me at this so I apologize for supporting it with my vote without being more informed as Blade could be a key strategy for getting the scums out and saving the townies. Dumb move.
I also voted Blade for what L1 pointed out earlier, everyone was in an agreement to get Blade lynched so if you didn't go after him, how would that make you look to the rest if he did end up being scum?
I haven't seen much from anything in my opinion to lynch anyone yet in this game. Yes sure Harvey acts scummy but if you cant be 100% for sure why make the vote?
Earlier it was Sally pushing for the vote and Jeff has been pushing me to get lynched for awhile. And the way he talks on here he seems to know more than the rest of us. Making guarantees that Sally is a townie. Guarantee is a pretty strong word in this place. Sure if hes a cop then yeah he has reason to believe so, but we can't be even 51% he's a cop. For all he know he could be acting like one to throw us off his track. Maybe him and Sally are both scum, and they had agreed to kill one of them off, which being Sally as Jeff seemed so heavy on her before, but now claims that she is a townie. Perhaps that strategy did not work, so now they are gonna clear each others names for the rest of this game. Jeff has started to do it, Sally has not.
I can't even be that sure of Sally just yet because its not her making me believe she could be scum, but because of Jeff I might think she is. Though by the way that I'm thinking I am leaning towards Jeff. And if making a vote on the last day is a bad thing I guess I'll do it on the first day when I have less info than I would on the final day. Sarcasm.
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Post by SalTal on Apr 9, 2011 4:58:02 GMT -4
So your theory on me and Jeff, Jesse, is that in the first round I was meant to come off as blatant scum, covering for Jeff? And then you would all jump me, lynch, and you'd be down a scum, all the while thinking that Jeff is squeeky-clean? IN that case, why didn't Jeff at least try and get people started on me? He hedged his vote from everyone, but looked at you.
And if that was the plan, then we'd have CJ to blame, as he was the one who started the whole "Let's lynch Blade" stuff. Blade changed his vote to Ryan, then CJ is all over him like a rash. So if he were the one that ruined the plan, and Jeff and I knew that he was a townie but prepared to go after people so hard, why wouldn't we finger him right now?
Of course, that's not the plan, nor was it ever. Obviously Jeff knows something about me - he even tells you all legit information - and there's some specific people that are underminding him.
Lester took charge of the whole thing early on anyway. Why isn't it a theory that Lester got us all hot and bothered about getting someone lynched, only to step back and watch a whole wave come crashing in, and then all of us to forget about him?
There's many a theory that could be invented. But that's just what they are: theories. Jeff is throwing out legit information, and people are intentionally ignoring it or distracting from him. Look at them before you look at me.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 9, 2011 5:05:10 GMT -4
Well, I've been quickly reading the posts here and it's late over here so I am going to keep this short but I'd like to get my thoughts out before I forget them.
My two main suspects have been Jeff & Sally. With these new revelations, I personally can feel a little safer in assuming Jeff is telling the truth and he is infact a townie. Which, really takes him off my list.
However, I took the time to actually read all the roles in this game to get a better grasp on what we're dealing with and while I initially thought that Jeff may have cleared Sally's name entirely, I came across this in the wiki article.
In regards to scum;
[qoute]If investigated by a Cop, The Godfather comes up town-aligned, though this can change either when one member of his crew is killed or all the other members are killed, depending on the moderator’s preference. If The Godfather is killed, the mafia lose their night kill for the next night while a new Godfather is chosen. [/qoute]
The question is, is it not possible that Sally has this role? I felt she was scum day one and I don't think much has changed, even with Jeff's intel.
I think EVERYTHING Jeff said about Branden could also be applied to Sally, as well. She had an absolute motive to get rid of Ryan Ruckus and it was a less obvious kill, considering Ruckus voted for Branden and would immediately be cause for suspicion. All the while making Jeff look scummy too.
So, for me--i'VE gone from Jeff to Sally, to Sally and Branden. I'm leaning towards Sally... but I won't make a vote until I hear more and get some sleep.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 9, 2011 5:08:27 GMT -4
EWOP
I lead no bandwaggon of any sort, Sally. YOU pushed for the lynch Branden Harvey, waggon and then ditched it when the Blade lynch looked good. At the very most, I can be charged with ''hopping'' on one; but I at least explained my vote. If you think there is something scummy with WHY I voted for Blade, I'd love to hear it.
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Post by SalTal on Apr 9, 2011 5:16:23 GMT -4
And in swoops Lester to save the day! He pulls out a helpful tidbit as soon as something starts to clear me name. Lester wants everyone to think me, because I'm town as town come, and if you lynch me the scum win again.
Again, if I was the Godfather, would I have come out so hard? Everyone seems to be making this great idea up that Jeff and I are in league. Why is no one thinking Jeff then?
I suppose Jeff is cleared IF I am the Godfather and I come up as town if I'm investgated or whatever. But at least (and I'm thankful to Lester for this) hedge your vote and wait until the REAL scum has a chance to reveal themselves.
And all because I wanted to get rid of Branden ...
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Post by SalTal on Apr 9, 2011 5:45:37 GMT -4
EWOP I lead no bandwaggon of any sort, Sally. YOU pushed for the lynch Branden Harvey, waggon and then ditched it when the Blade lynch looked good. At the very most, I can be charged with ''hopping'' on one; but I at least explained my vote. If you think there is something scummy with WHY I voted for Blade, I'd love to hear it. I never said there was something scummy with your vote of Blade, but rather what you had been doing before that. That you might have been heding a bet, throwing out your own ideas and tehories just to get people thinking about lynching someone. Of course, you defended Branden to the end, so if you wanted to let a band waggon going, you could have just jumped on that one. It's just general things that you said that give off a 'vibe'. "I rather we lose one person at night, then rush to a decision on day one" ... and yet, we all did rush into a decision that you helped get rolling. And you blamed Blade as being scummy because of what he was doing and "he has too much game experience" to be doing all that. Well, you have game experience and this is the second time you're going after a townie ... And the last two votes were by the noobs (me and Jesse). It might have been expedient of you to get the number to four votes in the hope that the bandwagon would be enough, when you knew full well that he was town and Branden wasn't. You frame me as being this person whose trying to start some sort of “with or against me” style thing, even saying that my posts are all hypocritical and that sort of stuff. I went back and looked for that, and I don’t see how it’s hypocricy saying “If Branden = scum, then non-voters should be scrutinised” while at the same time saying “If Branden =/= scum, then those voters should be scrutinised”. Hell, that’s not even hypocritical, that’s planning for two different events. Contingency plans and whatnot. You said "It seems like you're setting up a few ''potential'' targets to move onto if branden flips town" . It's true, but I at least justified a reason, much like you did with Blade. I don't see it as a good enough reason to be using foresight to lynch me. |
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Apr 9, 2011 5:54:18 GMT -4
So your theory on me and Jeff, Jesse, is that in the first round I was meant to come off as blatant scum, covering for Jeff? And then you would all jump me, lynch, and you'd be down a scum, all the while thinking that Jeff is squeeky-clean? IN that case, why didn't Jeff at least try and get people started on me? He hedged his vote from everyone, but looked at you. And if that was the plan, then we'd have CJ to blame, as he was the one who started the whole "Let's lynch Blade" stuff. Blade changed his vote to Ryan, then CJ is all over him like a rash. So if he were the one that ruined the plan, and Jeff and I knew that he was a townie but prepared to go after people so hard, why wouldn't we finger him right now? He never really pursued you because haven you alive is no major loss. Cause he can still work with you being here. Cause obviously the goal is to have as many people on your side alive at the end. So if all the scums manage to stay alive then why not go ahead and do that? But having you being killed off would have made you the pawn. Setting us all up by leaving Jeff alone because if we had voted you and you were scum he would look good and a townie if you were gone. So he went ahead and threw it out there that you were scum and sure people nibbled at the possibility that you were/are scum but they never did take a bite. No need to push it if people don't want to believe you because if you keep pushing it you would look kinda scummy and desperate to get rid of the competition, and if we had thought that of Jeff we would go after him. That would screw up the plan because Jeff is the more experience player over you and is a major help to his side. I wouldn't know why you would not go after him, thus me not being too sure on what to fully believe. And you can tell us all that what Jeff says is legit information, but why should we believe you? You both could be lying. I'm not sure Jeff is the cop only the cop knows along with the mod. And by both of you lying or telling us the truth could show us where you both side on, unfortunately we won't know unless one of you are lynched. I'm starting to confuse myself in the matter, because if hes saying you are a townie but you get lynched and you are a scum, what if Jeff really did think from what he gathered himself that you were really a townie. And if he was a townie we would think otherwise because you ended up scum? Its a big risk to be thinking of all this and to make a decision just by what I'm thinking. Thats why I am not going hard after you two in this case yet. I need more information to believe what I'm saying because its a big risk. Also I don't really have a reason to being lynched other than the fact that I haven't been able to get on the computer to post more than 1 post a reply to this whole thing. That's the only thing Jeff or anyone else could vote me to being lynched as. And if that was the case Jeff had that voted for me in round one for that reason. I too had a vote on Jeff earlier. For a stupid reason mind you but a vote but I changed it and I at the time was already thinking of this theory at the time but like now I still can't be too sure so I switched my vote to the popular vote due to fear of Blade being scum if he died and I did not vote for him I would look scummy. So what I'm trying to say is I don't know what you two are but I have my eyes on you two. Also your statement at L1 about holding your vote to wait for real scums to show themselves. Jeff hinted that I could be scum cause I waited for the last day to give my vote. So if thats all it takes to be considered a scum then you might have to vote before the scums come out. |
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Apr 9, 2011 5:57:36 GMT -4
Also just for I know. Do we all have to vote? Cause what if we don't have a clue and don't wanna bandwagon to a vote and just take our nighttime chances? Cause if we could wait for a day time and wait for a murder at night we can get a major hint on who could be scum?
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Post by President Jeff on Apr 9, 2011 7:27:39 GMT -4
The way things are looking, I have a feeling the Mafia is gonna kill me when we get to the Night Phase, but you guys need me alive because I'm the most valuable person in this game right now to help town win. If I make it to day 3, I'll be able to help the town even more by either clearing someone elses name or outing someone as scum. And If I make it to day 3, I'm sure we'll have enough information to eliminate the scum and win. Even if I do die, you'll learn I was telling the truth and I hope thats enough to help you guys win
So if there's anyone that can save me during the night, I hope you do so. As for who to vote, because of the position I'm in, we need to lynch someone and pray that, that person is scum. I'm gonna wait till the final day to decide my vote. I'm leaning on Branden right now, Kaji's been quiet so he's a suspect of mine. We can't forget the quiet ones
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Post by ajking on Apr 9, 2011 9:32:07 GMT -4
Stop for one minute everyone. Look at yourselves. Bickering over little tibbits of information blown out into whatever. If Jeff is a valuable as he claims then sally is clear he cleared her. So to believe Jeff is legit would mean to believe Sally is too. So it has to be either town or scum not seperated for each of them. Kaji snuck in for a vote on Brandon and has laid low under the radar ever seen being brought up. Something to look at? I'm not quite sure yet but I have a few people creeping up my list. Question truly remains wither Jeff is legit or just a well played scum spot. That is your own personal preference but without the accurate info we don't really know enough to lynch. Do I think we need to get an accurate kill hell yeah I do, but I think the contraversy with some of the big ones in the spot light is too big to follow through on. I think the two to look at right now would be jesse (might have been inactive due to pc issues not sure) but he did vote and kinda lay low for a while looks scummy. Then you have Kaji that has done the same. Lets get these two out here for a bit and see if one of them slips.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 9, 2011 11:54:34 GMT -4
Okay, Sally. We'll ignore the fact that some scum apparently appear to be TOWN when investigated. We'll also ignore the fact you benifit from the kill. On a second thought? You seem to be peeved I bought that little ''tidbit'' out in the open. Cramping your style, Sally?
I'm not thinking about voting for Jeff; because I think Jeff is telling the truth about being a cop AND his investigation about you. My point is, that it's not 100% like he at first claimed.
Also, I don't believe I voted for you yet. So why are you telling me to ''hedge my vote''; you're my main suspect and I have been telling you why.
Even JEFF with his own admission thinks you were the scummiest of them all. THAT'S WHY HE INVESTIGATED YOU.
No, because of your countless scummy posts and trying play numerous mind games on us all. Here's one;
''Why would T-marv make a first time player scum!?''- Really, Sally How is that logically even a valid question? FYI, roles are random...
Also, Jeff didn't investigate you because you voted for Branden. He investigated you because you look like scum. I'm saying your name right now because you, well, look like scum.
Umm, the only ''theories'' I had been ''throwing'' out were that I felt your posts were scummy and you were my main suspect. This changed when Blade flipped his shit and ended up looking scummy. He was town and so I'm now back to who I think is the best bet for scum. And sure, I was wrong... but apparently you were too.
I don't know what's more suspicious me not voting for Branden; or YOU voting for Branden, claiming you were soooo sure he was scum, voting for Blade when the lynch looked good; before now coming back to critize MY voting pattern.
That I helped get going? So Branden says I jumped on the blade bandwaggon and you say I helped start it. Which one is it, people? Secondly, you critized me for NOT voting for Branden when at least four people wanted to and hinted that Jeff and others may want to keep him in the game just for scum cover--yet, you also critize me for voting for Blade--yet he was the best scum cover any scum could ever ask for.
You say this is the ''second'' time I am going after a townie, well, this might be a surprise to you... but that investigation was as good as useless if you're top-dog-scum--thus nobody has established your a townie.
So, I guess we're 1-1 on the target a townie count.
I also didn't rush any vote. He was the best choice on the last day. Yes, he flipped down which is unfortunate... but he did NOT play like one. As for you claiming me voting fourth was some type of plot to set you and Nunez the poor noobs up; well I actually can't defend myself against that. It reeks of arm chair philisophy. If nobody votes fourth, you'll never get a fifth or sixth, thus we in turn will never get a lynch.
Though, that probably is a great benifit to you.
PS. Nobody is buying the ''I am a noob'' card you've played several times throughout this game. It's not going to cover your scum-like play.
Stop lying. At the very least, twisting what you actually said.
You never said ''If Branden= scum''; you didn't say anything about him being innoncent. In the post in question, you just basically said anyone who doesn't vote Branden= should be scrutinised'' as being scum, either way.
I said; “If Branden =/= town, then those voters should be scrutinised”
You never said what I said.
You took issue with that. You only claimed that non-voters should be looked at, which was where you were baised. The fact that you just boldly claimed otherwise to my face (hypothetically speaking) only adds to my suspicion. You can't lie because it's all in this thread.
LOLWUT?
You don't need to ''set up'' targets if you're a townie. Yet, you obviously feel otherwise. The difference with me and you, is I was suspicious of you but Blade out scummed you, so my vote went to Blade.
You on the other hand, you were targetting Branden; while mixing other names quietly in your posts, specifically, both me and Jeff; and then did the 360 with your vote for Blade...
Funny you say that your vote was explained, when you pretty much said, there was no explanation needed--it was cut and dry, before you voted for him, lol. In fact, you didn't even discuss the Blade vote prior to your vote, like you did Branden.
I'm tempted to vote for you right now and get it over with, but I'll take AJ's tip and wait it out; even if it results in nothing.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Apr 9, 2011 11:57:42 GMT -4
So...Blade just sucks. And Ruckus got offed. Fuck.
I'm not going to do a full blown philosophy paper in this thread (maybe later), but I believe Jeff that Sally is town. Call it a hunch, call it what you like, but she's town, and I believe that Jeff is town as well.
For lynching, right now I'm leaning towards Branden. I'm not throwing out official votes right now, but my opinion is this: he wanted time to fish for scum? Well he's got until nightfall.
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Post by SalTal on Apr 9, 2011 12:03:09 GMT -4
Well I really don't have much to say to all that.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 9, 2011 12:16:55 GMT -4
Well I guess you got all day...
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Post by SalTal on Apr 9, 2011 12:20:50 GMT -4
I guess I do.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 9, 2011 12:55:15 GMT -4
It's beginning to feel like a Rasslemania World title lead up in here... but my opinion is this: he wanted time to fish for scum? Well he's got until nightfall. He did ask for it, and I agreed, but that was before I realized he didn't have an investigative role. Of course, he still could, but if Jeff is hinting that he investigated Sally last night (WHICH he never actually said he found out at night, he just said he was sure), then that's one possible role for Branden off the board. Not saying he can't come out with anything though after the night... Maybe the best option is to not lynch anyone and see what happens at night. Maybe we can find some information out or something. We're 100% losing a townie at night with the doctor gone... (NOTE: Jesse, Ruckus was the doctor not Blade...) ...And since I can't see there being 2 docs, with so many people pointing fingers (myself included), and arguing over the proper form of sentences, we probably won't come to a decision, or at least, not one that everyone will feel is the right one... |
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Post by ajking on Apr 9, 2011 13:55:18 GMT -4
The way the arguements are going right now. I feel that two things are happening. Either Scum is blowing arguements out of proportion to salvage some time to pick more townies off. Or they are sitting back watching and enjoying us massacre each other a piece at a time. L1 nice complete bombardment of Sally. But then again to believe Jeff is telling the truth is to believe Sally is in fact town. Now to not believe it would make Sally and Jeff scum. Maybe this is all a ploy a last ditch effort to keep them around one more day.
Then you have Kaji who seems rather speechless maybe just enjoyin the ride right now. Branden has completely backed off his game and in my eyes made a successful retreat from the spot light scummy much? Jesse claimed the pc issues but still has kept a lower profile. I think if we are going to lynch a person today we call out top two and whoevers name appears the most we vote. Or we play it safe and either jeff is killed off due to his power roll or we know who to start aiming for.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 9, 2011 14:11:55 GMT -4
Though what L1 is saying holds some truth, doesn't it? Typically the godfather would give an innocent reading if investigated.
Though, believing that means to believe Jeff is at least town.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 9, 2011 15:04:18 GMT -4
Wow, guys! There's no conspiracy to as why my post was so long. Sally's was long to start with and I wanted to respond to everything she said. There was deception everywhere and I was breaking it down peice by peice...
Take it for what it's worth folks. I'll try to keep it short next time. I didn't mean to start writing roleplays, lmao... but let's not make the length her excuse for her not answering my critisms. I have said what I needed to say in regards to Sally, pending any new developments... so I'll sit back and watch (read) what you all have to say for a bit.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 9, 2011 16:32:12 GMT -4
Wow, guys! There's no conspiracy to as why my post was so long. Sally's was long to start with and I wanted to respond to everything she said. There was deception everywhere and I was breaking it down peice by peice... Hmm...I don't know if anyone was complaining that the post was too long. Really, since you posted it, Kaji, King and myself are the only ones to say anything, and I know I didn't say that it was too long.My comment was a comedic touch because it was Level One vs. Sally Talfourd...Never anything about length. |
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Apr 9, 2011 17:04:55 GMT -4
Jesse claimed the pc issues but still has kept a lower profile. I think if we are going to lynch a person today we call out top two and whoevers name appears the most we vote. Or we play it safe and either jeff is killed off due to his power roll or we know who to start aiming for. I never claimed to have computer issues. I just wasn't near a computer until I got home to my computer at 1 in the morning. |
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 9, 2011 18:43:20 GMT -4
I was mainly referring to AJ, CJ. Who hinted at why my post may have been so long. It seemed like you were agreeing to a certain extent. It's no problem really. I was just clearing it up, as to why my post was long in the first place...
Me and Sally are just long winded by nature it seems, lol.
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Post by ajking on Apr 9, 2011 19:37:27 GMT -4
I think you misinterpreted that L1. I was pointing out you bashed Sally well. You did you put everything she said into one post and nailed her on all of it. Good job to you sir. She looks scummier by the day but the problem i want to put out there is that no matter what with that and Jeff and everything going on. There will not be enough to lynch here just yet. If jeff ends up dead then maybe, but we need to focus on the ones who are flying low and the ones avoiding the spotlight. With you two going at it lke you have Branden has poppped a big red flag for me. He seemed to just kinda shut up since you guys took the spot light off him. But wasnt referring to you post in any bad way or meant to but was pointing out that you kinda blew everything she done in the game so far back in her face hurting her crediablity but just makes me wonder is that chance of her being a godfather worthe the risk of losing another 2 set of townies or should we try to get more solid accusation on someone else and wait and see how things unfold before warming up the old lynch fingers
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Post by ajking on Apr 9, 2011 19:41:34 GMT -4
and sorry jesse must have misread it lol im a little tired.
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Post by SalTal on Apr 9, 2011 20:14:21 GMT -4
Or they are sitting back watching and enjoying us massacre each other a piece at a time. Also, I haven't answered those criticisms, Lester, because I can't. I've given you all the facts that I have behind them, and you've applied them to your interpretation. I get that's the game, but I can hardly refute that. Also, and maybe it's just me, but some things you say sound like you're speaking to me like I was an idiot and, like, condescending or whatever, and I thought it best to let things calm down. You're wasting your time on me, so if it took just wearing what you said - with no votes still against me - then do be it. Also, didn't Branden say he'd be unable to go on his computer weekends? |
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