APW MAFIA GAME THREAD

[Kaji Fireson]

Well, waiting for information would certainly be useful. If we go off of Kurt's theory of four scummers, then there are ten townies, and if we lynch one, and the mafia kills one in the night, suddenly the numbers game is far less imposing on the mafia.

There's still plenty of time left until the first deadline. I'll keep my vote of Branden on for now (Jeff and Sally have points o.x), but there's time to get at least cursory information leading up to the first deadline, so I might rescind it later, depending on what happens.

[asp]

Now that I think about it, we shouldn't assume that there are four mafia players. I'm not accusing Noble of being Mafia, but it certainly is a possibility, after all, any of us could be. But let's say for just arguments sake that Noble was Mafia, he simply just planted an idea that there are four mafia players, when possibly there is 2 or 3.

I think it's just a possibility that we should consider. I don't really think Noble is mafia, maybe it was just a theory of his that there are actually 4 mafia players.

[Reaver]

...you TOO for that matter for this last comment


*EDIT*

[asp]

*Tries saying that sentence out loud to see if it makes sense... No success*

...WHAT?

[Michael Jennings]

I'm not vote for Branden because the reasonings behind it are weak. I think there are four scummers but, thus far, there's been nothing suspect about anybody other than Jeff's weak reasoning for voting Harvey and Sally for saying it was a good reason. That's been about it.

[President Jeff]

I haven't seen a game yet with 4 mafia. I'd bet money that there is 3.

Also James, my reasoning for going after Branden isn't weak. My reasoning is based off previous games, Branden hasn't been helpful at all and flip flops all the time with voting. So why not get rid of him right off the bat to avoid any confusion later on. I will however allow Branden to defend himself, maybe he has a role that he can hint at to help us.

[C.J. Gates]

I'd say there are probably 3 or 4 mafia in a game of this size.

As far as a day one lynch goes, if we can actually agree on someone to lynch, then it could be a good idea. In the past, everyone's been pointing fingers at different people so there hasn't been a conclusive decision. I will agree with James that the reasoning for Branden is a bit weak. He's still a vote, even if he flip flops a lot he can still be helpful (assuming he's town).

[Michael Jennings]

Going off of previous games is a bad way to play. I'm looking at the here and the now. Yeah, let's vote someone out because they did something in a past game that was stupid and annoying. That's like saying "Let's go bomb France because of the Napoleonic Wars." Pfft, gimme a break.

[Kaji Fireson]

I dunno, Napoleon WAS kind of a douche.

But in all seriousness, you may have a point. Branden has a history of being ineffectual, but he also plays about a bajillion mafias (read: pretty much every mafia on CWC, if what I knew of him before my disappearance is still true), so he might just have that persona built up so he can save it for a special occasion of cunning. Again, I wanna' hear what Branden has to say about things before I unvote him, which won't be until tomorrow night, so we should probably look at a different angle.

Like Knuckles. My man, fucking sober up before you post next time. I don't understand what the fuck you were trying to say in that last post.

[President Jeff]

Not Game, Games.

But looks like your really trying to protect Branden here, CJ too. Might be something everyone should keep in mind

[C.J. Gates]

Sept 17, 2011 19:32:19 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

But looks like your really trying to protect Branden here, CJ too. Might be something everyone should keep in mind

In no way am I defending Branden. If he ends up looking like a good bet, I'll vote for him, but not because of the weak reason you gave, Jeff. If anything, we should be looking at you, Sally and Kaji who all jumped on the thought of voting Branden just to get rid of him.

[Michael Jennings]

Protecting Branden? I'm just telling it like it is. Voting out someone going by previous games is stupid. He could be a cop, doctor, etc. That's why I go by what I see in the actual game and not go by past games. Seems like you're going against anyone who thinks voting Branden is stupid. That's fine by me because the fact of the matter is the reasonings to vote for him are weaker than the Kansas City defense last week against Buffalo and that's saying something. Synopsis, I'm more inclined to vote for you over him because something is not right in this entire scenario. Seems like you pushed for Branden and then backed off after people questionned you and instead went after them. My current thinking is the least likely suspects are most likely mafia and are more than inclined to sit back and let us all argue about Harvey while they sit back and watch. That's what I think is going on to be honest.

[President Jeff]

Its good to see some people talking.

Like I've always said on day 1. I don't like Lynch on Day 1 because we normally have nothing to go on. And the odds are that we are gonna Lynch out a townie. So do I want Branden Lynched, Day 1, Nope. But I still don't like the way he plays. Hopefully he has a role in this game that will help the town

[Kaji Fireson]

Just for the record, I voted Branden because I was being facetious, not on the basis of any serious logic. If I am convinced someone else should go, or that a no-lynch is best, then I'll unvote him. Really I'm just neutral right now, waiting to see what happens. Any serious vote placed by me will be closer to nightfall.

[Kurt]

Sept 17, 2011 15:19:34 GMT -4 asp said:

Now that I think about it, we shouldn't assume that there are four mafia players. I'm not accusing Noble of being Mafia, but it certainly is a possibility, after all, any of us could be. But let's say for just arguments sake that Noble was Mafia, he simply just planted an idea that there are four mafia players, when possibly there is 2 or 3.

I think it's just a possibility that we should consider. I don't really think Noble is mafia, maybe it was just a theory of his that there are actually 4 mafia players.

There's no way there's 2 Mafia. There usually need to be between 25 to 33% Mafia compared to the rest Town. To the people saying we've never seen 4 scum in a game...we've never had 14 people in a game, IIRC. Like I said, last game had 13, and had 3 scum/1 traitor. 4/14 = 28%. I don't really see the point in planting a false number even if I was scum, ha. But yes ASP, it's just a theory.

I don't understand voting against Branden because of past games. I don't think he should be basically denied the ability to play just because he's had some rough games. I mean, if we lynch people based on past games...I've voted against the town the past 2 games in APW. Should we lynch me to start then?

If anything...if he DOESN'T do something weird later, lynch him. I mean, if he acts weird and messes things up in past games (where I assume he's been town, at least here anyway), won't he try and stay under the radar as scum? Food for thought.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Yo, I aint below voting someone off by gut feeling. But I gotta look at the facts first. You'll have my vote by 0 hundred hours.

[asp]

Well, just to clear things up, my vote on Jeff is just a "joke" vote, just like how people are voting for Harvey, I don't think it's a serious vote.

And I agree that voting Harvey off for past games isn't a good reason to lynch him. I'm still pretty much on the fence on rather or not we should have a lynch the first day. But Noble's idea of having 3 or 4 mafia does sound plausible. But then again, so does my idea about him lol

[Nathaniel Havok]

The way I see it yo, is that we have a person here who is making an “educated guess” about how many mafia are in the game. Is this a ploy just to throw us off? If we increase the number of townspeople, does that necessarily mean that we have to increase the number of mafia? Maybe the idea is meant to even more “scatter our brains”. By increasing the number of mafia, we begin to “widen the gap” between mafia and not mafia. At the present time, I’m not going to let the numbers get to me. My vote has to be cast as pure instinct.

Vote: Kurt Noble

[brandenharvey]

Okay, guys. I know I usually remove my vote for Jeff after a few hours but I'm not going to this time. I'll get to my reasoning in a minute.

First, I want to talk about you guys saying I'm a weak player. Ask anyone that played DC Superhero Mafia with me over in CWC. Midas and I won MVP of that game. nd it was I who discovered, and voted for, the last scum.

Last game I was a weak player simply because I was trying to go off my gut, which I had seen Midas do constantly and he is usually right. Basically, I was trying to play like someone else, but I was less successful at doing it.

Now, as for keeping my vote on Jeff, he has been very aggressive in trying to get me lynched, even though I might be town. Then, whenever someone defended me, he went after them. Then, when he was called on it, he said he wanted a no lynch. He accuses me of being flip-floppy but it seems he is much more flip-floppy than I have ever been (except the one game where I was a jester and trying to get lynched). People, I believe Jeff is your scum.

[Reaver]

i wasnt drunk, i just mistyped is all.

anyways.....im new to all this so plz excuse me if im not posting every minute or so.

[SalTal]

I'll reaffirm my belief in what Kurt says - there is probably 3, maybe 4 scum. I fall more towards the 4 if for no other reason than the game could go on for a long time with just 3 - and Lester doesn't much go for slow games it seems. I don't think that by saying there's 3/4 scum Kurt is a) saying anything out of the ordinary, or; b) saying anything that isn't a normal observation.

As for Jeff's 'let's lynch Branden' - it's got people talking, which is good. My throw-away remark was (mainly) to do that. While, generally, I am supporting a lynch this day one, I'm not much likely to actually vote for Branden. What has been interesting is Jeff's reaction, and Pence's more forth-right support of it.

As for now, I don't think we're getting closer to a lynch for this day.

[Nick Watson]

I was joking Sally, as for what Branden said...yeah. However, I'm going to abstain from voting until more information is given, otherwise we are just throwing random names out, and pointing random fingers at random people with random intents. In truth, anyone could be the scum at this point, and without any leads or clues we are simply not going to get the job done.

[President Jeff]

Sept 18, 2011 0:23:15 GMT -4 @brandenharvey said:

People, I believe Jeff is your scum.

Once again Branden, your Wrong. You Stradegy shouldn't be off a gut feeling. If I wanted you gone Branden, I would have put a vote down for you, but its something I can't do right now

[Blade]

Sorry guys, still here. Only jsut hooked my computer up after i moved my room around.

Are we still waiting on anyone to check in?

Im catching up now

[President Jeff]

I think JC is the only one who hasn't checked in

[brandenharvey]

I wasn't going off a gut feeling this time. I was going off how you've acted so far this game.

[President Jeff]

I've acted in no way that would make me scum. Because I suggest we vote for someone does not make me scum. If thats the case, then when you go on your "gut feeling" in the next couple of days, does that make you scum?

[brandenharvey]

That was one time. I don't know why you think I'm going to go on my gut feeling when I've only tried that in one game and failed horribly.

I'm not saying you are scum because you suggested people vote for me. I'm saying you're scum because you not only said people should vote for me, but you also started attacking anyone who said that wasn't a good idea, followed by saying we should go for a no lynch.

[President Jeff]

If I was scum, Wouldn't I be laying low and not have any attention on me

[brandenharvey]

No. If you were scum, you'd try to blend in with everyone else by discussing who they think is scum.