Heroes Mafia [Day 7]

[Level-Two]

Phil Atken's is white because he's named by his USERNAME not game CHARACTER name. It is interesting however that Blade noted Phil Atken's was kidnapped for the day phase; usually, it's just something unsaid but I guess it's up to the mod's discretion on how that's done.

Is there any heroes characters the fits the role of a kidnapper/jail keeper? I'm guessing this role belongs to the Mafia and thus Phil Atkens would be at worst, third party.

Also, Johnny Rebel ''digging'' up that post where Knuckles just barely mentions suspicions of T-Marvs right after a day change has sent up MAJOR red flags on the part of Johnny Rebel. It would be bold for scum to do something like that but I wouldn't put it past J-Reb having played with him before. You have just raised your profile on my radar after that one.

[Kid Dynamo]

I'm a little more concerned that Rebel's been in full-scale interrogation mode. He voted me in hopes I had some secret to share, and he got TMarv to spill quite a bit too.

I mean, I guess both town and scum are in the business of gathering info, so I don't know. Truth be told, all of Rebel's pic bases are giving angry looks, so maybe I'm just projecting.

[Jules]

Feb 4, 2012 15:25:49 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

I find it odd that Scum killed Knuckles. Not saying he's a bad player, but I expected a stronger player like James V, Tmarv or Level One to get killed.

Is there something you are suggesting here?

There are a few things that stick out or puzzle me. The names white is an obvious one. We're seeing a lot of these mini write-ups involving 'white' characters, yet the rules clearly state that mafia appear in red. The quantity of references to 'white' characters may suggest these are not inactive, passive or background characters, but that we are dealing with more than one enemy faction in this game.

'Phil Atken' being kidnapped is very interesting, especially given Atken certainly called attention to himself in day 1. At this stage I have nothing but speculation, and until we know the meaning of the 'white' characters. My thought right now though is: was Atken 'silenced' because he was asking questions that certain people did not like?

Finally, thanks for sharing that info T-Marv. We shall have to keep an eye out for this Peter Petrelli; hopefully somebody else has come across some intel on this guy during the night.

[Jules]

EBWOP

*'At this stage...' sentence should be

'At this stage I have nothing but speculation, and until we know the meaning of the 'white' characters' nothing solid to go on.'

[Jules]

Sorry for the multiple posts, I just had a thought I would like to test.

Vote: President Jeff

[Kris]

Feb 4, 2012 19:22:41 GMT -4 Kid Dynamo said:

I'm a little more concerned that Rebel's been in full-scale interrogation mode. He voted me in hopes I had some secret to share, and he got TMarv to spill quite a bit too.

I mean, I guess both town and scum are in the business of gathering info, so I don't know. Truth be told, all of Rebel's pic bases are giving angry looks, so maybe I'm just projecting.

On one hand, the tactic J-Reb said he was using-- of putting pressure on someone until they say something useful-- could be considered scummy.

On the other hand? You were acting extremely suspicious yesterday-- and frankly, I'm still keeping an eye on you because I'm not entirely convinced that you are town.

I'm going to hold off on voting for now, though, until more information comes forward.

[Johnny Rebel]

Feb 4, 2012 19:03:38 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Phil Atken's is white because he's named by his USERNAME not game CHARACTER name. It is interesting however that Blade noted Phil Atken's was kidnapped for the day phase; usually, it's just something unsaid but I guess it's up to the mod's discretion on how that's done.

Is there any heroes characters the fits the role of a kidnapper/jail keeper? I'm guessing this role belongs to the Mafia and thus Phil Atkens would be at worst, third party.

Also, Johnny Rebel ''digging'' up that post where Knuckles just barely mentions suspicions of T-Marvs right after a day change has sent up MAJOR red flags on the part of Johnny Rebel. It would be bold for scum to do something like that but I wouldn't put it past J-Reb having played with him before. You have just raised your profile on my radar after that one.

It's the only thing we have to go on at this point... and to my defense, I also said it wasn't enough for me to place a vote and I was simply combing through to find any connection to Knuckles.

[Metrodamus]

Vote: Bacon

An interesting night phase never the less as one would think Atken wouldn't be someone to put a glove on given the way the vote patterns were trending near the end of the day. I vote for Bacon because I still believe him to be scum.

[Jules]

Feb 4, 2012 20:22:46 GMT -4 Metrodamus said:

Vote: Bacon

I vote for Bacon because I still believe him to be scum.

Do you want to offer some kind of reasoning for this?

[Metrodamus]

Feb 4, 2012 20:30:18 GMT -4 Jules said:

Feb 4, 2012 20:22:46 GMT -4 Metrodamus said:

Vote: Bacon

I vote for Bacon because I still believe him to be scum.

Do you want to offer some kind of reasoning for this?

Scummy third vote on Noble and then disappeared as if someone in his QT told him to knock it off.

[Michael Jennings]

Feb 4, 2012 20:22:46 GMT -4 Metrodamus said:

Vote: Bacon

An interesting night phase never the less as one would think Atken wouldn't be someone to put a glove on given the way the vote patterns were trending near the end of the day. I vote for Bacon because I still believe him to be scum.

Intriguing. So why are you voting Bacon when he hasn't been online in ages? He's a non-factor and will probably be modkilled. This vote is setting off red flags.

Feb 4, 2012 19:38:48 GMT -4 Jules said:

Feb 4, 2012 15:25:49 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

I find it odd that Scum killed Knuckles. Not saying he's a bad player, but I expected a stronger player like James V, Tmarv or Level One to get killed.

Is there something you are suggesting here?

I believe he is suggesting that either myself, TMarv, or Level One possibly is scum. In fact I'm going to agree with that. However I'll add Jeff to that list as well and probably Noble too. Those are the apex players here. However, that said, I'm guessing that out of that list (myself, TMarv, Level One, Jeff, Noble) two are scum or third party (i.e. serial killer, kidnapper, etc.). That would leave three as town. Now considering Atken got kidnapped that means he could be either town or mafia considering that the kidnapper most likely is third party.

So this is what I'm thinking. I think the scum team godfather is most likely an inactive or someone who wasn't online yesterday. I believe the kidnapper is either scum or third party. I think they kidnapped Atken for a reason and that is to get the suspicion on myself and knuckles. However with knuckles being killed that would most likely mean that the kidnapper is third party. Either that or it was a plan to create a no lynch scenario which helps out their team and creates paranoia for everyone else.

Right now, considering Atken's status is kidnapped, there are two people I'm looking at, Jeff and Metro. Metro for voting someone who will most likely be modkilled and Jeff for trying to get the attention onto three players who he perceives to be power players. I think that was done for a reason. If Jeff is not town then who are the scum team going to want to eliminate? The strongest players. If those are the apex players then I think it's a safe bet the majority are town players. Knuckles being killed and Atken being kidnapped sets up a scenario where a power player is eliminated perfectly. So, that said, Jeff, Metro, and the inactives are the players to look at. One of the inactives or low activity players is probably the godfather. Prodding and modkills should unravel that mystery if it keeps up. Kidnapper was active so I believe that player and the serial killer are players that have been posting. However sticking with my reads with Jeff and Metro at the top of the list since Atken is incognito due to being kidnapped.

[Kurt]

Um...Bacon logged on earlier today. His last post was the 1st. I don't know if he's being inactive or just avoiding us.

Let's see if he responds to a prod before jumping the bandwagon on him, especially since we basically learn nothing from lynching a mute with no response. He may end up just getting modkilled as JamesV said, but we'll see how close Blade plays it to the chest.

[President Jeff]

Am I missing something. Knuckles was killed, so how can the Mafia Godfather be inactive?

[Kurt]

Feb 4, 2012 22:00:50 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

Am I missing something. Knuckles was killed, so how can the Mafia Godfather be inactive?

Because a white name killed Knuckles. The rules list mafia as being red. We're leaning towards either a third-party, or white = mafia. Blade hasn't confirmed it, and no roleblocker has stepped forward to claim a blocked kill, so it's one of the air theories at the moment.

[President Jeff]

If you read Blades rules, he doesn't state that Mafia is red or town is green.

And if Blades first write up, he was killed and his name was in white.

[Kurt]

Feb 4, 2012 22:06:49 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

If you read Blades rules, he doesn't state that Mafia is red or town is green.

And if Blades first write up, he was killed and his name was in white.

18. In the write-ups, townies are green, and mafioso are red.

[President Jeff]

I swear I look through the rules 3 times and didn't see that

[Michael Jennings]

Feb 4, 2012 21:54:15 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Um...Bacon logged on earlier today. His last post was the 1st. I don't know if he's being inactive or just avoiding us.

Let's see if he responds to a prod before jumping the bandwagon on him, especially since we basically learn nothing from lynching a mute with no response. He may end up just getting modkilled as JamesV said, but we'll see how close Blade plays it to the chest.

Blade did post another thread about replacements. I think there is a correllation i.e. they are related.

Also the mafia might've gone after knuckles since the apex players mentionned earlier were most likely to be targetted last night. It was an easier move than a riskier one against the high target players.

[Hometown Heroes]

Whoever is apart of the mafia might be thinking let not go after the strong players just yet. They could be trying to play with people minds.

[Hometown Heroes]

I believe whoever "kidnapped" Atken could be a member of "The Company". If you watch the show. They would located and track people with special powers no matter if they using them for good or bad.

So Atken still could be scum like some others might believe or he could be town. We just have to wait and see.

So right now I believe we could be dealing with more just mafia in this game. They could be little groups working together. On Heroes there were people who would group together to work as one.

Example:
1. The Company aka Primatech
2. Linderman Group

[Michael Jennings]

Feb 4, 2012 23:06:33 GMT -4 Hometown Heroes said:

Whoever is apart of the mafia might be thinking let not go after the strong players just yet. They could be trying to play with people minds.

Either that or at least two of the strong players are in the mafia together. This would be the perfect strategy to thin the ranks. Throw a few names out there, see what people say, and then create an atmosphere of paranoia. That is what's happening. I think Atken being kidnapped is the perfect choice. That'll get the heat on people like myself and Dynamo and away from the scum team members. I think we're looking in the wrong places. What we should be looking at are the players who aren't being looked at. Chances are all or almost all of the scum team is not even being considered as suspicious right now. It's done by design. With knuckles gone, Atken being kidnapped, and Bacon being MIA the attention would go to myself and Dynamo going by how day one went. Right now Metro and Jeff set off some flags for me. People flying under the radar and avoiding getting any attention on themselves also should be considered as suspects. What I'm saying is that your "playing with people's minds" strategy is EXACTLY what they are doing.

[Level-Two]

Vote: Bacon

If there's a vote stealer out there we might as well test it out to see who he/she stole from this day phase. If they're scum then it'll give us a bit of insight on how they might play the next day phase.

So in other words this is a half assed test vote.

The second part of this is that I'm willing to put forth the idea and encourage a Bacon lynch should nothing of any importance come out today. The only post he made in this game was a scummy vote. He isn't active and hasn't done or said anything. And for those who were saying ''no lynches help the Mafia'' can you even argue if he's not worth the gamble? If he is scum then he might be replaced instead of mod killed and a EFFECTIVE player might step into his role. That's far more dangerous, IMO.

At the very least; get him talking. If you're not actively trying to hunt scum, you're useless to the town.

[Blade]

Bob: He's not a toy, Elle.
Elle Bishop: He could be...

Vote Count

1 - President Jeff [farquhar]
1 - Bacon [Captain metro]
1 - T-marv [Level One]



Not Voting
[Dynamo, CJ, Hometown Heroes, Matt Slater, Noble, Johnny Rebel, Biggs, Atkens, Bacon, President Jeff, T-Marv, Kris, JamesV]


With 16 Alive takes 9 to Lynch



Mod Notes:
1 - yes it is correct, the vote count
2 - People have been prodded, I will deal with them accordingly

[Jules]

unvote

So, we have one mafioso named - Elle Bishop. According to her wikipedia her special ability is electrical manipulation; she is diagnosed as a sociopath who has committed murders (maybe the mafia hitman), and she has some relationship with Peter Petrelli - some kind of unrequited love. Can anyone fill in any details that may help us?

What intrigues me here is that Elle is 'red' so mafia, but Bob is 'white'. Bob (Bishop) is also the head of 'the company' (according to wiki), which suggests that the mafia faction may not be 'the company'. Are there any other antagonists in the show other than 'the company'?

I think it is very possible my earlier suspicion about more than one enemy faction may be true. A possible cult involved here?

[Kid Dynamo]

Dumb question: could team white and team red be in cahoots vis a vis both win by eliminating the town therefore have created a two-mafia front to confuse the town into oblivion?

[Kid Dynamo]

And can someone elucidate the correlation between t-marv's vote bouncing from level one to Atken, then today level one's vote bouncing from bacon to TMarv?

I'm actually guessing against the obvious (L1 & TMarv are connected) and I'm more prone to believe vote stealer is scum and wants us to lynch either of them due to their strength.

Only one player so far has pushed a lynch based on strength of gameplay.

[Jules]

Feb 5, 2012 11:32:41 GMT -4 Kid Dynamo said:

And can someone elucidate the correlation between t-marv's vote bouncing from level one to Atken, then today level one's vote bouncing from bacon to TMarv?

I'm actually guessing against the obvious (L1 & TMarv are connected) and I'm more prone to believe vote stealer is scum and wants us to lynch either of them due to their strength.

Only one player so far has pushed a lynch based on strength of gameplay.

T-Marv has strongly indicated that 'Peter Petrelli' is a vote stealer, this power may be connected to L-1s vote change. What we don't know is 'Peter Petrelli's' alignment, or if someone does know they haven't been forthcoming. I would be interested to see what happens, if anything, should T-Marv vote again for L-1.

[Jules]

Feb 5, 2012 11:29:32 GMT -4 Kid Dynamo said:

Dumb question: could team white and team red be in cahoots vis a vis both win by eliminating the town therefore have created a two-mafia front to confuse the town into oblivion?

It's not impossible.

[Matt Slater]

I'm still kind of intrigued regarding Kid Dynamo's sudden change from saying "I'll be killed in the night, so I might as well reveal a bunch of stuff and subtly detail that I'm town" to being a part of the game once again. A possible apology tactic to avoid being lynched perhaps? I'm not sure.

Plus, with Atkin kidnapped, no doubt people will be looking at JamesV because of that, who is already moving on from the issue. Those two were at each other's throats until he was taken by the third-party - if we're to believe there is a third-party aligned or not aligned with the scum that is. That's just my opinion anyway, so I could be wrong.

I'm going to be keeping my eye on a few things here before making a vote, more so on Tmarv's changing votes, Dynamo and L-1.

Also, is there really any point in lynching Bacon if he's likely to be Modkilled due to inactivity? If he's avoiding us for some kind of reason, then his modkill will be appropriate, especially after he voted on Noble and disappeared.

[Michael Jennings]

I think the fact Elle is red in the write-up tells me there are three groups. The kidnapper is in one and Elle is in the scum. I think there are three factions. Town, scum, and the third kidnapping faction. My guess is to counteract the two non-town groups there probably is a town mason group. That's the best way to even it out. So my guess is there's multiple people working together right now noth pro-and-anti town.

As far as the vote bouncing goes my best guess is one player can make the votes go from one player to another. They probably choose a different player each day phase. That's the only explanation for it being different people each time.