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Post by Michael Callahan on Mar 29, 2012 15:43:03 GMT -4
 "You're on my home ground now, and we're not even in the same league!"-Pablo Ochoa[/I][/B] VOTE COUNT:1-President Jeff (Kurt Noble) 1-Branden Young (President Jeff) NOT VOTING: Atken, Blade, Branden Harvey, Chaz Dillinger, CJ Gates, Gubayama, James V, Julius Farquhar, Kris, Knuckles, Level One, Sally Talfourd, T-Marv |
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Post by President Jeff on Mar 29, 2012 15:51:07 GMT -4
Has anyone not checked in yet. The only one I notice off the top of my head is Branden
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Post by Kurt on Mar 29, 2012 16:15:24 GMT -4
Has anyone not checked in yet. The only one I notice off the top of my head is Branden Yeah, I think Branden is the only one...maybe he's trying to avoid the inevitable and predictable Day 1 quarrel with you? Also, there's no reason why Day 1 has to be dead. Every game I bring up the theory of how many scum there are...so with 15 players, 4 scum or 3 scum/1 third party doesn't sound out of the picture. Also, has anyone played the first Hitman game? I have it, so I may go run through it later (or at least look it up on Wikipedia). Is there a possible third party in the mix anywhere in the game? |
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 29, 2012 16:39:16 GMT -4
I played the first one... thought it was awesome. But don't really remember it much.
I agree with your scum assessment, sounds like the right number of scum.
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Post by Jules on Mar 29, 2012 17:02:02 GMT -4
Considering that a number of mafia mod guides recommend scum representation of 25-33% I wouldn't rule out five either. The standard in APW for games of this size seems to be 3/4 (depending on third party), maybe Callahan is looking to deviate from that.
Regarding third party I have nothing to add. My experience of the Hitman series is exclusively with the second game.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Mar 29, 2012 17:13:29 GMT -4
I've never played the hitman games. But Wikipedia does wonders for those who aren't informed lol.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Mar 29, 2012 17:26:20 GMT -4
UPDATE:
If Branden doesn't get his act together and post within the nex 24 hours and get a replacement, we will end this day in Mod Kill.
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Post by SalTal on Mar 29, 2012 17:36:19 GMT -4
I have no idea about the theme, but the general gist of it indicates that there would likely be a third party.
4/1/10 seems a likely breakdown, yeah.
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Post by brandenharvey on Mar 29, 2012 17:39:56 GMT -4
My apologies. I'm so used to not coming to APW anymore that I simply forgot. lol
Got my role.
Vote: President Jeff
Also, Michael, Jeff voted for me, not Branden Young. lol
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Post by Michael Callahan on Mar 29, 2012 17:41:24 GMT -4
I keep getting you confused with Branden Young. And I know if he's out there he'll murder my ass for that. My apologies.
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Post by brandenharvey on Mar 29, 2012 17:41:54 GMT -4
EBWOP I forgot to mention that that vote is for banning me.  |
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Post by Jules on Mar 29, 2012 18:01:00 GMT -4
I've been looking at the wikipedia on this video game, and I think, based on 15 players, we have two possibilities...
11 town, 3 scum, 1 third party
11 town, 4 scum
I've based this on the characters that, to my knowledge, or at least what I can quote from wikipedia, are found in the video game this mafia game is based on.
Town characters (flavours)
Dr. Ort-Meyer (the big boss)
Pablo Ochoa (drug lord)
Lee Hong (triad boss)
HK Police Chief
Franz Fuchs (terrorist)
Boris Jegorov (weapons smuggler)
Odon Kovacs (doctor) - probably town doctor
Blue Lotus Emissary (triad linked)
Fritz Fuchs (terrorist, brother of Franz)
Ivan Zilvanovich (associate of Boris)
Tzun or Mei-Ling - I think the final flavour character is one these. Tzun is a bodyguard for Lee Hong; Mei-Ling is a prostitute. I'm inclined to go with the former though since he is definitely aligned with Lee Hong.
Scum
Agent 47 (obviously) - likely the scum hitman/assassin/killer etc.
Diana - gives she 47 his order, so likely to be the GF.
Agent Smith - wiki says he is an incompetent SECRET agent linked to CIA and The Agency. Possible RBer, or some kind of scum investigative role (e.g. role cop). Possibly impervious to detection by cops, although Diana is known only by her voice in the games so she may have this power.
Possible Third Party
Mr.48s - a bunch of clones that Agent 47 has to kill off at the end of the game. I'm not sure if these would definitely be third party, but this is as close to one I could find in the game's wiki.
If no third party I would say 4 scum, not sure who the fourth would be, maybe Mei-Ling as a goon.
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Post by brandenharvey on Mar 29, 2012 22:12:11 GMT -4
Or it might not have anything to do with the game, flavorwise.
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Post by Kurt on Mar 29, 2012 22:46:49 GMT -4
Or it might not have anything to do with the game, flavorwise. Literally the first four names on Jules's list are in the first write-up. |
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Post by brandenharvey on Mar 29, 2012 22:53:51 GMT -4
Or it might not have anything to do with the game, flavorwise. Literally the first four names on Jules's list are in the first write-up. I worded that a little weird. I meant that maybe all that is is flavor and not how Michael meant to determine town or scum. Example: In South Park Mafia, Cartman was scum, rather than town as the show would've suggested. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on Mar 29, 2012 23:05:15 GMT -4
I'd wager to say that while the write ups are flavor, there is probably more than just flavor to it. The characters are probably sticking with the game itself, since that makes a bit more sense then re-writing it, at least I'm assuming(besides, Cartman as scum isn't as farfetched considering).
As for day ones being quiet, it all depends. If we get into a situation like last game, where someone comes out and puts their foot in their mouth early on, we will have something, but otherwise we are left with nothing but speculations, with no one wanting to add anything for fear that they will put their foot in their mouths.
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Post by Kurt on Mar 29, 2012 23:05:21 GMT -4
Literally the first four names on Jules's list are in the first write-up. I worded that a little weird. I meant that maybe all that is is flavor and not how Michael meant to determine town or scum. Example: In South Park Mafia, Cartman was scum, rather than town as the show would've suggested. Perhaps, but note the opening post Callahan makes about who's Town and who's Mafia. We have a clear sense that the Agency is the Mafia in this case, while the Town are the criminals...many of which are listed from the first Hitman game. I believe Callahan stated somewhere that this game was based off the first Hitman game, but I am not certain of that. The thing about this vs. South Park is that Hitman is more clearly defined in a "good guy vs. bad guy" sense, so it makes sense to put people in groups. In South Park, Cartman is an antagonistic character, so him being scum made sense. |
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Post by SalTal on Mar 30, 2012 1:51:35 GMT -4
I hate Day 1's. Even the last game's Day 1 sucked, until we all realised that Callahan had screwed himself on Day 3. It was such a drawn-out affair that, while ultimately true, was still a bit ho-hum in the sense that it was complete speculation and not real investigation.
Anyway, for all that, I love this investigation that people are doing with the characters. At least that's based on something and will be helpful in the short-term. Keep it up guys!
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Post by Level-Two on Mar 30, 2012 2:22:04 GMT -4
Obligatory day one post.
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Post by Gubayama Takagi on Mar 30, 2012 4:28:45 GMT -4
When deciding who gets what role, has any former Mafia Host assigned a particular role to someone for something like personality resemblance?
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Post by SalTal on Mar 30, 2012 4:50:03 GMT -4
When deciding who gets what role, has any former Mafia Host assigned a particular role to someone for something like personality resemblance? Not in any of my experiences. It's all usually random. |
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Post by T-Marv on Mar 30, 2012 9:04:36 GMT -4
When deciding who gets what role, has any former Mafia Host assigned a particular role to someone for something like personality resemblance? No... and if they do then that person should either state that fact before hand or just not be a Mafia mod. It sucks when mods show preference. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Mar 30, 2012 9:19:09 GMT -4
Yeah, all mafia games should be random affairs, otherwise the game because about the mod and not the people involved.
As an aside, Callahan don't get too itchy on your mod kill finger, that's what PM prods are for.
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Post by Jules on Mar 30, 2012 9:43:42 GMT -4
I think Callahan is an NRA member, viz. he cannot help himself  |
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Post by Michael Callahan on Mar 30, 2012 11:21:18 GMT -4
I'm going to go ahead and derail this train of thought now and say that players and their respective roles were randomised through a website, as is standard of Mafia games. There has been no deliberate delegation of powers.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Mar 30, 2012 18:33:05 GMT -4
Random post, I'm still here! Reading L1's made me feel obligated to let you all know lol.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Mar 30, 2012 21:43:57 GMT -4
This is my day one post. Been busy this week.
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Post by Blade on Mar 31, 2012 5:07:23 GMT -4
No offense, but this is the worst day 1 in history with people doing their "obligatory" posts
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Post by Gubayama Takagi on Mar 31, 2012 5:18:30 GMT -4
Wouldn't people prefer the quietness because the storm hits hard in day 2?
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Post by Blade on Mar 31, 2012 5:27:04 GMT -4
Wouldn't people prefer the quietness because the storm hits hard in day 2? I cant recall Day One ever ending in a lynch on APW. I think people are really busy. However day one usually consists of - T-Marv rolefishing everyone who make a claim he is scum - Branden Harvey digging himself a massive hole for the next day, usually dropping himself in it because he thinks he has a master plan, but it always backfires - Most people accusing Jeff of being scum - ALOT of joke votes that are usually taken too far at least giving us a little to work off And in this case, nothing has happened. So I am going to go with my gut and call it. CJ Gates, he is scum! Vote CJ |
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