Hitman: Mafia Discussion Thread (DAY FOUR)

[Gubayama Takagi]

this is pretty much an echo post of both L1 and CJ but to let my thoughts be known for the sake of participation: albeit branden brought nothing to the table other than seemingly a Joke Lynch post as the lot of you did on the first day and apparently is a routine. It could be argued that joking on the second day isn't appreciated by many users as it's seen as the day the game 'officially' begins.

however, there is no need for you to try so hard to debunk Branden's vote because it alone would've brought more attention to him as many might not have taken it as a joke but an unwise attempt to get a movement going against you. but since you have gone out of your way to - well, you know the rest.

it's quite possible that overreacting is a mere trait of yours but of this moment i am considering not only branden a person of interest but you as well.

[Blade]

Branden, you have done this before in previous games.

You single out one person on the second day and stick to them.

Now is this a case of, yes you are definitely right?

OR

You have a lynch target and there was no way you could do it on day 1?

[Jules]

I would concur with much of the thoughts above re: Kris and Branden. Kris is definitely my #1 suspect right now, maybe it is a personality-thing, but her posts have way too aggressive and defensive for the stage she is at.

I'm with Blade, I want to hear more from Harvey before I make a definite decision, plus there are plenty of people who haven't checked in yet so until all the information we've gathered during the night comes out I'm keeping my finger off the trigger. However...

FoS: Kris

[President Jeff]

Getting 1 vote and getting really defensive like that? looks scummy to me

[Michael Callahan]

"None of these notabilities are your target. The Austrian terrorist, Frantz Fuchs, is planning to blow up the hotel. If successful it will change the world forever."-Diana Burnwood

VOTE COUNT:
1- Branden Harvey (Kris)
1-Kris (Branden Harvey)

[SalTal]

Yeah, Noble was a big loss. What's been said sums it all up. No need to dwell on it at the expense of distracting us all from scum hunting.

What I think that a lot of people have an issue with, Kris, is that you went *straight* for Branden being stupid for targeting you. People are saying that's a scum way of reacting. I'm not so inclined to believe that is reason enough to vote for you, because last game I did the same when Knuckles threw up my name as a possible lynch.

What is a legitimate reason to vote for you is Branden's information *if he can qualify it*. If you're properly town, you might have tried to reason your way through Branden's information being wrong by citing, say, roles (perhaps being bused by a driver?). You might have tried to get more information out of Branden so that there is more to discredit.

What is scummy to me is that you said you have no night action at all. That's a *massive* contradiction to what Branden says. Now, assuming you get lynched and turn up to have no night action powers and are town, then Branden is going to get killed the next day, no questions asked (I imagine).

In the realm of probability, Branden's actions are entirely improbable. He is taking massive risks here that no normal person would take who is seriously trying to win.

1) He is risking picking someone who has no night action powers (unlikely in and of itself)
2) He is setting himself up to be lynched the very next day (and, unless he's a Jester, he wouldn't do this is he was town and wanted to win)
3) He isn't saying anything ambiguous: You visited him. This certainty leaves him no wriggle room as a defence later on. He is setting himself up as the alternative lynch.

Of course, someone could pipe in that Branden is far from a normal person. But I'm thinking he's going to take his first game back pretty serious. On all the boards, he is proving himself to be unlike his past self. What better way to show his maturity and selflessness that to actually take part in a 'community' activity and win over us all by trying to help us win.

So because of this, I'm 99% of the way voting for you, but I want to give a chance for everyone to get their information out so that we can act through the night accordingly.

As for you, Branden...

It has been a long time since I've played with you, but I recall you always have some strange antics and behaviour. You'll throw out completely wrong information, and sometimes you'll throw out true information but because you can't qualify it we all ignore it. There is also a propensity to voting you out because you play like scum and/or play to really screw the town up. I'm not saying that's what you're doing now, but that would explain, like, the three FoS instead of three more Vote[/i].

You will need to qualify this information to some degree. Not role claim, but tell us the extent of your information. As you can see, Lester and Farq are just about ready to vote for Kris, while Jeff, CJ and I are pretty close to it too. If you *truly* thought Kris was scum, you would do whatever you could to try and make sure you cleared up any doubts to get those extra 5 votes onto her.

To everyone else: What did we find out overnight?

I have nothing.

[T-Marv]

All I know is my role is absolutely fucked in the head. Thanks a ton Callahan.

I know that someone visited Level One last night.

Unfortunately, I haven't the slightest idea who or what they did. I got no idea what kind of variation I could possibly have on my role but it's definitely not the greatest help in the world.

Now, Kris and Branden.

Kris got way over the top defensive about one vote and one follow claim, and countering with "I have no night Action" is definitely not the way to go, whether it's true or not. However, her visiting Noble is certainly not a death sentence. There could be many reasons Noble was visited. He is after all, one of the better players here. She could have been checking his alignment, role-blocking him, etc....he would be a great selection for any of these. But the personal insult is just a bigger tell then I could possibly imagine.

As for Branden... Is this a game? Are you fucking around and giving misinformation? If you are and you're town then stop it...you're not helping. You've done this in just about every game I played with you and you ALWAYS cost the town a whole lot, even the game in some cases. So seriously, don't be pulling a bunch of bullshit IF you are town. If this was all a lie or some BS, then come out right now and admit it...don't cost us a townie just to be a prick.

[C.J. Gates]

I'd agree, if we end up going through with Kris' lynch and she comes out town, Branden would be the next target because he would have been the one to lead it.

However, I do still find it odd that Branden would see her visit Noble and her response is immediately that she has no night role. I think it was Sally who pointed out that Branden picking out one of the probable few who have no night roles seems slim. Unless he is scum and they found out her role, which seems more unlikely.

As for other night results, I doubt any cops would have anything. Most were probably checking themselves for sanity, so we'd only have a small handful of possibilities. One role that probably would have helped a lot is Noble's thief role. Basically, all I'm saying is that Branden's info might be all we get, so yes, he probably will be to qualify it if possible without getting himself modkilled.

[Level-Two]

I haven't heard anything that changes my mind in the least bit.

Vote: Kris

[brandenharvey]

This might change your mind:

I'm an idiot.

I read my role and thought I was a lyncher and Kris was my lynchee. It turns out I was wrong. She didn't visit Noble last night. My apologies. Let's find scum.

[brandenharvey]

EBWOP

Unvote

[Level-Two]

Well, this is awkward.

unvote: Kris

However, you mistakenly seeing Kris visit Noble when she didn't still escapes me. You have had to get her name SOMEHOW with whatever your role is.

Also, you confusing your role with a lyncher means that whatever your role is, it's a third party one and how exactly is that good for the Town?

[Reaver]

well, this'll be my 1 post for the day.....

Harvey WTF? did u just get urself modkilled? not kool man, we need all our townies.

anyways......

i still think KRIS is our first scum. the reason i say that is just basically how she reacted to harvey's post about her visiting anybody. based on her reaction it leads me to believe either....

A) she is scum and even tho harvey fucked himself, her reaction in itself proves that she is liable. as retarded as branden is sometimes, he may have gotten lucky this time.

or

B) branden and kris r both scum buddies and him trying to throw her under the bus to clear himself (which is a scum tactic that has worked pleanty of times b4) and she is in a QT somewhere cursing him out which made him feel quilty, thus, retracting his vote.

i say we wait and see if branden is mod-killed b4 making any moves but other than that, i would like some more evidence towards either kris or branden. on a side note: KRIS- plz try to convince me on the contrary to you being scum.

i say either or the town win on this 1. discuss....

[brandenharvey]

I won't be modkilled because I didn't reveal my role. i revealed what I thought my role was.

And, L1, I'm town.

[Jules]

Branden, the problem I have with this gaffe is that it immediately puts into question your credibility in this game. Please check, think, re-check, think again before putting anything like this out again.

Right now, I'm not clearing you as town, but I'm not fingering you as scum either. But you are really going to have to do a lot better to restore my faith in you in this game.

Knuckles, why is the above post your 1 post for this day?

[T-Marv]

Branden, what this sounds like to me is this:

Whoops, when they lynch Kris and find out I'm not telling the truth.... RETREAT RETREAT!

I'm calling MAJOR bullshit!

[Kris]

Apr 2, 2012 13:26:21 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Branden, what this sounds like to me is this:

Whoops, when they lynch Kris and find out I'm not telling the truth.... RETREAT RETREAT!

I'm calling MAJOR bullshit!

As well you should, T-Marv. As well you should.

Did I get too heated in my response? Probably-- it's no secret that I don't much care for Branden, and him lying about me (as he's confessed to!) was just the final straw in regards to me losing my temper. Here's the thing, though; in my knee-jerk response in laying all of my cards on the table, I told the truth. I invite any lie detectors that may be in the game to verify that. I actually welcome any investigations that anyone deem necessary to prove that I am town because I have nothing to hide, simple as that.

[Blade]

Branden, How can you actually think you are a lyncher with a night role?

The Lyncher having the ability to get someone lynched as their win target is their role, no added extras usually.

I am calling mega bullshit and really think you have shown your hand too early

[brandenharvey]

I didn't say I was a lyncher with a night role. I thought I was a lyncher and therefore LIED to get Kris lynched.

[Level-Two]

Apr 2, 2012 15:14:35 GMT -4 @brandenharvey said:

I didn't say I was a lyncher with a night role. I thought I was a lyncher and therefore LIED to get Kris lynched.

That's not how a lyncher role works.

Lynchers are third party. If you're town, how can you possibly mistake your role for a third party one? This isn't your first game and this isn't adding up.

I don't even know if your scum but you're once again creating a huge distraction with your gameplay that is becoming disruptive.

FOS: Branden Harvey

[President Jeff]

They way Branden plays annoys me

Vote: Branden

[brandenharvey]

I'll play better next game.

Vote: Branden

[Blade]

Apr 2, 2012 15:46:57 GMT -4 @brandenharvey said:

I'll play better next game.

Vote: Branden

Is that you giving up?

Can you tell us who your scum buddies are?

vote: Branden

[Michael Jennings]

Apr 2, 2012 15:14:35 GMT -4 @brandenharvey said:

I didn't say I was a lyncher with a night role. I thought I was a lyncher and therefore LIED to get Kris lynched.

Out of everything said this the only way I see voting for the above quote alone.

Vote: Branden

[SalTal]

I'm not taking part in a Branden lunch as much as I want to. It's stupid play (from hom, not everyone else) and I reckon he'll turn up town. Seeings how there's still some more people to check in, I'd rather prolong the day and try and get some more info to work on in the night phase.

But does Branden deserve to be lunched? Yeah, probably.

[Michael Callahan]

”Roar.”-Jungle God

VOTE COUNT:
5-Branden Harvey (President Jeff, Branden Harvey, JamesV, Blade, Kris)

NOT VOTING: Atken, Chaz Dillinger, CJ Gates, Gubayama, Julius Farquhar, Knuckles, Level One, Sally Talfourd, T-Marv

[Kris]

...is the vote tally correct? I voted for Branden and it counted before... and I also did not unvote.

[Level-Two]

Okay, so here's my little theory on what has occurred with Branden.

- He has a third party lyncher role. He misreads his role and thinks he needs to lynch someone as a win condition. He picks Kris to lynch.

- After things pick up and head in Kris's direction; Branden Harvey revisits his role and finds something he didn't before. Whether that is a name in specific or some other sort of win stipulation, I don't know.

- Realizes that he does not win by simply lynching Kris and will likely be lynched next if Kris was to flip town.

- Backs away from Kris, withdraws his vote and claims he misred his role. The only problem is... can anyone even offer an explanation on how you could be THAT far off, if you're a townie with a town aligned role?

All in all, I think Branden is either going to flip town or third party... and because I'm leaning towards third party...

Vote: Branden Harvey

[brandenharvey]

Apr 2, 2012 16:06:44 GMT -4 Blade said:

Apr 2, 2012 15:46:57 GMT -4 @brandenharvey said:

I'll play better next game.

Vote: Branden

Is that you giving up?

Can you tell us who your scum buddies are?

vote: Branden

Um...

Kris, Blade, and Michael Callahan

[SalTal]

Well Branden is in fine form.

Callahan is modding this do yeah he must be pulling the scum strings.

Seriously, why bother at all.

Vote: Branden Harvey