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Post by Level-Two on Apr 6, 2012 20:54:10 GMT -4
EWOP
Reading T-Marv's and CJ Gates banter a little more closely - I'm starting to get negative vibes from T-Marv.
To me, you seem to be laying the groundwork for something in advance. At this point I am anticipating Havok coming out and saying he' got an innocent read on himself and your guilty - but in return you'll claim that CJ visiting Havok had altered his result.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 6, 2012 21:00:13 GMT -4
Like I said, wait for Chaz to get on to verify that he is sane, and then we can lynch Marvin and actually get rid of someone who is scum and lying their ass off. I know that no one will believe me, I knew that from the beginning, because no one ever does. I don't have a night role, I can say that with certainty. There is no way I visited Chaz, and no way that Marvin saw me visit Chaz because I didn't do anything at all in the last night phase. If one of us has to go, it has to be Marvin, otherwise you're handing the game to the scum. I wish there was a way that I could convince you to vote for him now before we hear back on Chaz, but unfortunately, no one is willing to go after the scum we've had nailed since the last day phase in Marvin with Chaz's okay. He's had me NAILED with a INSANE reading!!! I love how you're pushing for my lynch BEFORE Chaz comes back because you know in your heart of hearts that you've just been screwed, either that or your VISIT on CHaz last night throws us into more chaos and gives you just the slightest chance to weasel your way out of the easiest Lynch in the game. Your uber defense gives it away, you're just trying too hard CJ. We've been getting our asses handed to us the whole game and you're just begging for a clean sweep here. You're scum CJ You've been playing us and playing us good all game. |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 6, 2012 21:01:44 GMT -4
L-1
I'm not laying any kind of groundwork.
I followed CJ, he visited Chaz.
That is all.
There is no way Chaz comes back and says he's sane because that's impossible given his reads.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 6, 2012 21:11:04 GMT -4
Well, if Chaz DOES come back and says he's sane - that's exactly what will be your defence and I am telling you in advance that I won't be buying into it.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 6, 2012 21:16:55 GMT -4
Fair Enough.
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Post by Reaver on Apr 6, 2012 21:22:39 GMT -4
ok well heres my two cents:
not only are gates and marvin in question but so is chaz. if he is wrong then it possible that too is scum.
here is where things get fishy. either chaz is rite and marvin is guilty in which case we lynch marvin. or (and i doubt that our only cop is insane or modified any other way) and we lynch gates. my question is, if FARQ was the town watcher, then how is it that terry can still "watch" wat people do at night? or perhaps he is the "tracker" but wat exactly r the odds that he's the tracker or the watcher IN EVERY GAME. i dont buy the bullshit.
on the other hand, i also doubt that gates is ALSO another vanilla townie. in my opinion, something has got to give. with that whole kris situation, im more inclines to believe gates but id rather wait and see the results from chaz. i highly suggest those who dont say much get off their asses and help out. wheres sally? jeff? atken? blade? all of whom who have NOT said much that past couple days and seem just as scummy.
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Post by President Jeff on Apr 6, 2012 21:28:45 GMT -4
i highly suggest those who dont say much get off their asses and help out. wheres sally? jeff? atken? blade? all of whom who have NOT said much that past couple days and seem just as scummy. I find it funny you say that since you've barely said anything all game. I'm normally quiet the first couple of days, mainly because I have nothing to add. Right now, I got nothing else to add until I hear from Chaz |
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 6, 2012 21:33:42 GMT -4
I agree with you Knuckles about the watcher thing. In T-Marv's defence however - it appears his role - at least the one he is claiming is bastardized to a certain extent.
I don't find CJ saying he has no role suspicious at all - mine is a bastard one.
Still, with T-Marv's claimed bastard role it still seems effective enough if he's claiming he can use it on whoever he wants and receive effective results.
Also, it seems like he can kill people as well. It just doesn't add up for me. Again, though - I'm not going to push anything until Havok speaks. I don't feel like Havok is scum at all personally. Especially if he was then why come out with that information when he did? He could easily voted to lynch Kris - claimed T-Marv was scum the following day - have them lynched and it's just about game over.
CJ or T-Marv it's one of them.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Apr 6, 2012 21:49:24 GMT -4
Basically, I'm dead next night phase. I was role blocked last night, no results on my investigation on myself. Therefore, I need the doctor again on the next night phase, although they might role block me again. Idk guys, but I get the feeling that you stalled me, TMarv. Just a gut feeling, but my gut says you stalled and role blocked me, so you wouldn't get found out.
Then again, CJ is pushing for your lynch hardcore, and Kris turned up town (making L1 look suspicious). I can however, understand both L1 and CJ's arguments. Therefore, I'm still going to stick with my gut.
Vote: TMarv
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 6, 2012 22:09:18 GMT -4
Heh.
So, scum has a role blocker. This is where it get's tricky but then again nothing in this game is easy.
Vote: T-Marv
I really hope I'm right with this one. I just find T-Marv saying he saw CJ Gates visit Chaz - and now Chaz is role blocked as a set up.
If CJ gates is scum - why isn't he claiming to have undeniable proof on T-Marv just so he could get him lynched? After all - these two are deadlocked. One flips town - the other is lynched. The best thing they can do is avoid a lynch one more day and the night kill before they go down.
Another reason why I'm going with CJ over T-Marv is the way CJ has played this game. Everytime he's been scum I felt it - this time my only suspicion comes from this cop thing, not by how he played it. CJ also usually rolls over and dies when he's caught scum in all the games I've seen - he seems to be fighting pretty hard here and I think it's because he's an innocent.
I was worried about being framed for the Kris and Farq thing but now that a roleblocker has been confirmed I feel so much better about it because the counter claim I knew scum could have made can no longer be made.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 6, 2012 22:10:13 GMT -4
Wow... Just wow.
So trying to keep from being mis-lynched is stalling me.
Your gut is wrong Chaz and it's a shame that the rest of you can't open up your eyes and see how well CJ has played you. Of course you were roleblocked, cause then you would just continue straight a course and go after the guy whose head you were already screaming for last day phase. CJ has got you eating out of his hands and now he's salivating cause you're just handing him the game. As scum, I wouldn't have roleblocked you as It would have pointed strait to me. CJ clearly roleblocked you or had you roleblocked but of course it doesn't matter what I say, does it.
Think about it guys, I've been strait with you the whole way, even dropping hints at my role the whole way.
Nothing I've said is a lie... Don't just play into CJ's hands here and give it all away!
Callahan doomed me to be lynched when he gave me this fucked up role along with an INSANE cop.
Knuckles... never claimed watcher or tracker or any of that. I've been consistant with my role actions the whole way through.
L1... you honestly can't think of a role that has a bunch of one shot actions, including a vig kill? Please think about it.
I'm begging you here, we've been getting our asses kicked the whole way, don't let CJ complete the clean sweep.
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Post by SalTal on Apr 6, 2012 22:29:35 GMT -4
Well, most of the investigating has been done by everyone else it seems.
TMarv alludes to To his random role. Unfortunate of he actually has it. And, to be honest, seems more likely to exist than CJ's nothing. I'm buying that.
Vote: CJ Gates
I believe TMarv's follow claim - that he followed CJ who blocked Chaz who cannot give a true reading.
It'll suck if it's all a lie and I promise I'll make up for it.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 6, 2012 22:36:04 GMT -4
Well, I will give you credit on that one. You have been dropping hints that you were at least watcher since day 2 but you also haven't been night killed even with that information out in the open.
Which makes me question if you were trying to cover your tracks early on. I'm also suspicious about the blatant Farq kill - one of you are scum and your team was trying to divert attention all over the place the best you could.
And I realize what your trying to say about your role now. So, point taken on the entire FARQ flipping watcher thing Knuckles brought up.
The scum team is a well oiled machine - I'll say that.
Unvote: T-Marv
Fuck, I don't know. I'll give it some more time. I don't want anyone jumping on my votes again or voting based on popularity of the band wagon currently rolling which happens all to often (see: Kris)
I see benefits to keeping you around T-Marv especially if you do flip town - where as CJ Gates admitted he has no role. If we lynch T-Marv and CJ is scum then we lost a power role. It's something I need to think about.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Apr 6, 2012 22:37:24 GMT -4
Vote: CJ
Bye, bye scum roleblocker. Obvious that's your role going by last night. Someone protect Chaz although this should clear TMarv as town. If he isn't the scum roleblocker then something is seriously off in this game. Thinking L-1 is town now and so is TMarv so I was off on them. Jeff is someone else I have my eyes on.
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Post by Blade on Apr 6, 2012 22:39:02 GMT -4
So Chaz gets role blocked on the night he checks himself? I don't know who that is more convenient for, Chaz t-marv or CJ.
Lester is straight on tmarv saying he is plotting things until Christmas
CJ is adamant he is Vanilla and does nothing
T-marv can say he did things and has results.
T-Marv, you got something on me, what exactly did you get?
On my phone which is why this is a wierd response
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Post by Michael Jennings on Apr 6, 2012 22:40:15 GMT -4
I'm sticking with CJ because of the reasons stated. It's appearing to me that he is the scum roleblocker.
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Post by Blade on Apr 6, 2012 22:42:19 GMT -4
And 2 posts were made while I typed
Depending what t-marv comes back with, CJ may very well be the most viable lynch
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Apr 6, 2012 22:48:07 GMT -4
Ugh. Wow... Just... Wow...
UNVOTE
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Apr 6, 2012 22:49:57 GMT -4
EBWOP
Wait a minute, L1... Didn't you and Jewels get into it 2 day phases ago?
...I'm re-reading all of this game!
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 6, 2012 22:53:27 GMT -4
Yes we did - which EXACTLY why it makes perfect sense I am scum and decided to kill him after leading a lynch that resulted in the death of a townie.
Oh, wait.
The more I think about it - the more I'm leaning towards CJ Gates. I've never felt myself flip flopping so much in my life.
T- Marv you said someone watched me night one - wouldn't you get the name of the person who visited me? I would really like to have that name.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 6, 2012 22:54:59 GMT -4
Blade:
I got an innocent read on you and saw you not doing anything that night. Thought it was odd but considering my role, I don't know. Then i thought maybe I got an insane read, but then Chaz came back with his insane read and assumed calahan wouldn't give me an insane one shot investigation with one insane cop already out there.
TBH, I had you pegged as the gf, and was trying to do something completely different when i got the investigative hit.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 6, 2012 22:57:32 GMT -4
Wish I got a name with that L-1. Unfortunately I just know that somebody visited you and an action was performed, but I wasn't given a name. Sorry.
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Post by Blade on Apr 6, 2012 23:02:35 GMT -4
Blade: I got an innocent read on you and saw you not doing anything that night. Thought it was odd but considering my role, I don't know. Then i thought maybe I got an insane read, but then Chaz came back with his insane read and assumed calahan wouldn't give me an insane one shot investigation with one insane cop already out there. TBH, I had you pegged as the gf, and was trying to do something completely different when i got the investigative hit. Ok, and you would only know that if your role was legit. The more I think about it - the more I'm leaning towards CJ Gates. I've never felt myself flip flopping so much in my life. I'm feeling alot like that at the moment. for this reason Wait a minute, L1... Didn't you and Jewels get into it 2 day phases ago? I have a huge feeling that CJ is scum and its convenient that the only person to visit Chaz was CJ and it seems he has been caught in a lie. I guess you thought killing him would be too risky, but obviously didnt consider all aspects Sorry buddy Vote: CJ Gates |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Apr 6, 2012 23:08:21 GMT -4
TMarv and/or L1, this has to be the move of the game, if either of you turn out to be scum. I really want to place a vote, but I would like to hear what CJ had to say, one last time.
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 6, 2012 23:19:50 GMT -4
Okay - I'm going to go ahead and vote...
Vote: CJ Gates
Blade says T-Marv's night result checked out. I find it entirely reasonable that A) I was targetted by mafia OR Town on night one AND that T-Marv watched me night one as well. After all, I'm fucking boss.
The way I see it is that if CJ Gates DOES flip town - T-marv is lynched. He has no defence imaginable.
If T-marv is lynched and flips town - CJ Gates has a bit of wiggle room and can turn his attention to Chaz.
Also, T-marv claims he has a power role. If we're wrong, we can afford the loss. If we're right, we have someone with a strong role on our side AND we probably take out the scum roleblocker.
It's worth the risk. That's my vote. And despite me being flip floppy, I think it's sticking.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 7, 2012 0:44:12 GMT -4
You guys are lynching a DAMN TOWNIE! I think I'm at 5 of the 6 needed so I guess I'll do what I didn't want to do.
I'm not a vanilla townie. There is something to my role, but it's not vanilla. I'm a vengeful townie. I can't do jack at night, except wait to see what happens. I die, someone goes with me, it's as plain as that. I have no ability to visit anyone. I have no ability to watch anyone. I have no ability to do anything but sit and twiddle my thumbs.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 7, 2012 0:51:24 GMT -4
EWOP
Tmarv has been LYING to you ALL game. He might not be lying about his role abilities, but he is definitely lying about what he did last night. He couldn't have seen me do anything because there was nothing for me to do. I didn't visit Chaz at all, and if someone hammers, and when I flip town, you will all see that Marvin is the one that has played everyone as fools.
Wasn't it James who called the entire town idiots because of what happened? I'm starting to agree, though I'm lumping him in with it too. You're lynching a townie who has no night role. We've lost the tracker, the thief, a bodyguard, Chaz is the cop, which leaves what? A watcher? Why can't the town see that it's possible that I don't have a night role?
If my lynch goes through, I will have to say good job to the scum for what they have done. After tonight it might prove very hard for them to lose because the town is just falling into their hands.
I can't say it any clearer. I'm town, 100%. Marvin is the liar, not me. Marvin very well could be the roleblocker, having blocked Chaz so that when he says I watched Chaz, he can try and catch me in a lie that doesn't exist. I don't know what role Marvin has but he's scum. Chaz pegged him as scum, but apparently no one is willing to roll the dice on someone that has scum painted on their face because they'd rather mislynch a townie.
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 7, 2012 1:33:25 GMT -4
You guys are lynching a DAMN TOWNIE! I think I'm at 5 of the 6 needed so I guess I'll do what I didn't want to do. I'm not a vanilla townie. There is something to my role, but it's not vanilla. I'm a vengeful townie. I can't do jack at night, except wait to see what happens. I die, someone goes with me, it's as plain as that. I have no ability to visit anyone. I have no ability to watch anyone. I have no ability to do anything but sit and twiddle my thumbs. That is such Bullshit, it's ridiculous. A vengeful townie? Wow, what a way to instill fear in anyone willing to take you down. I'm not fooled cause I saw you visit Chaz last night. So here's what I'm going to do! I will unvote CJ Gates and wait till someone comes on and puts him back at 5, then I'll be the hammer. Just to prove that there's no way CJ's telling the truth, if that's what everyone wants. I will volunteer to be the Hammer, to place the last vote that lynches you. That's how absolutely sure I am that you're full of shit. |
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Post by Level-Two on Apr 7, 2012 1:43:10 GMT -4
lol, he claimed vengeful townie.
You really just did yourself in with that, CJ.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Apr 7, 2012 1:44:27 GMT -4
If you're going to volunteer it, why not do it?
Since it's likely that I get lynched anyways, I'd much rather take down the true scummer in Marvin then another townie. Because as I'm sure the town can see, we have 10 players left...I get lynched, I will take someone out, leaving us at 8. We lose one at night, we're at 7. If we have 3 scum, there's a chance that things won't end quickly, but it will depend on how many scummers Marvin is working with. Could find ourselves in a bit of a gambit if you choose to continue with this lynch.
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