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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 15:34:06 GMT -4
The other option is that you're lying, which from the night result and Kurt's report would confirm you as the cult leader/recruiter. As far as I'm concerned there isn't much of a gamble on my current vote. The evidence is there and anything that isn't solid is strong enough to keep me convinced. See that is where you arent making sense of it. IF I was Bitten, how can that make me the cult recruiter/leader? That is where you and Kurt fall down |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 15, 2012 15:43:04 GMT -4
Sorry I been abscent for almost a day guys. I'm catching up and then I'll be back to things.
I'm leaning towards a Vote on blade given the information shot out there, but we'll see in a little bit.
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 15:45:09 GMT -4
Sorry I been abscent for almost a day guys. I'm catching up and then I'll be back to things. I'm leaning towards a Vote on blade given the information shot out there, but we'll see in a little bit. What the fact Kurt is lying? Before you guys decide to all jump on this wagon, can we atleast wait for JamesV to check in for the day and show us what happened to him last night. |
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Post by Kurt on Apr 15, 2012 16:02:44 GMT -4
Oh, nice. A post that throws heat on myself/Keaton/Gubayama/Knuckles. Who aren't you trying to watch go down instead of you?
The interesting thing about this is that I haven't said anything about your night action. I have NO idea what it is...but I know that you were bitten successfully. Even if a bus driver had me use my action on someone NOT Knuckles, they got your name. I already asked Knuckles about the biting, without labeling him, and he went on super-defensive mode trying to discredit me. He showed the entire town that the ability to bite is something dangerous...and it happened to you.
But hey, you have a night action that was successful...and let me guess, it's not informative so you can't share it? And it's also on a player that isn't posting who can't confirm or deny anything at this point?
Right. Let's see how you're seeing things.
I'm the only guy sharing information...but apparently, I'm the guy lying. I threw myself out there, branded two people, had my partner (Saint) back me up and change my lynch-wagon target from Knuckles to you (you know, because)...all on Day 2.
I'm listening to Saint because even if Knuckles was set-up...I have your name. Recruiter, zombie, whatever...something happened to you that you're trying to cover up.
Better hope JamesV hops on soon to 'confirm' your night action.
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 15, 2012 16:03:47 GMT -4
The other option is that you're lying, which from the night result and Kurt's report would confirm you as the cult leader/recruiter. As far as I'm concerned there isn't much of a gamble on my current vote. The evidence is there and anything that isn't solid is strong enough to keep me convinced. See that is where you arent making sense of it. IF I was Bitten, how can that make me the cult recruiter/leader? That is where you and Kurt fall down Well I'm going on the basis that Knuckles visited with the intention to bite and WAS successful insofar as he wasn't blocked. The night results state that he made a visit to Rachel who recruited him, whether that was a defence ability or a visit from the recruiter to Knuckles is another matter. You are right in saying that I'm putting a lot of stock in what Kurt says here and I agree with that, but what you've come up with has yet to prove that what he's said has been a lie. I am open to suggestions but right now you haven't convinced me that you're not the cult recruiter. The vote sticks. |
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Post by Reaver on Apr 15, 2012 16:14:17 GMT -4
again i ask, how was i super defensive? im justified in wat i said and nuttn about it overboard or out of the ordinary. the fact that u keep pushing the fact about me being "super defensive" is leaning me towards u. i mean, if i was so "defensive" like u said im being, wouldnt i have put a vote down on u? remember back in the SAW mafia game where me and JamesV went at it? THAT was super defensive but i didnt even bother here, y? maybe its cuz i got nuttn to hide?
ok so im wondering something.....
kurt said that i was successful in "biting" blade but blade has confirmed that he wasnt bitten.
something isnt adding up here.
blade, is there anything u can share as far as nite 1? it sounds to me like kurt is slipping.
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Post by Kris on Apr 15, 2012 16:32:29 GMT -4
Having read over everything that's transpired since I last checked in, I've got to say that it's rather hard to argue with the evidence and reasoning both Saint and Noble have come forward with. There is one question, though, that I think merits answering. IF I was Bitten, how can that make me the cult recruiter/leader? Looking at how the flavor is written with Shannon (who we've identified as Knuckles, the zombie) tried to bite Rachel (who others-- and myself, as well, believe you to be you, Blade) only to suddenly 'be at peace' and be converted, my conclusion is that you are a modified cult leader that would convert anyone that comes by to perform a night action on you. Are you also able to convert others more directly? Maybe, maybe not; I don't know. About all the more I do know, though, is this. Vote: BladeYou need to be stopped. |
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Post by Kris on Apr 15, 2012 16:33:39 GMT -4
EBWOP: And if it turns out that you flip town, Blade? Then I'm going to be seriously eyeing both Noble and Saint as suspicious.
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 16:37:15 GMT -4
again i ask, how was i super defensive? im justified in wat i said and nuttn about it overboard or out of the ordinary. the fact that u keep pushing the fact about me being "super defensive" is leaning me towards u. i mean, if i was so "defensive" like u said im being, wouldnt i have put a vote down on u? remember back in the SAW mafia game where me and JamesV went at it? THAT was super defensive but i didnt even bother here, y? maybe its cuz i got nuttn to hide? ok so im wondering something..... kurt said that i was successful in "biting" blade but blade has confirmed that he wasnt bitten. something isnt adding up here. blade, is there anything u can share as far as nite 1? it sounds to me like kurt is slipping. No, but I made this userbar shoudl I get lynched (which is how certain I am that Kurt is lying) I targeted JamesV and my ******** was successful. If he doesn't have a night action, he wont know that I was successful. If he does have a night action, he will damn well sure know that I am telling the truth saying that I visited him The only way I can confirm that I was successful elsewhere is for JamesV to come forward and say his night action failed. |
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 16:39:15 GMT -4
EBWOP: And if it turns out that you flip town, Blade? Then I'm going to be seriously eyeing both Noble and Saint as suspicious. Nice cover there, did Noble or Saint tell you to add that? The only possible thing I could flip today is town. And the only way Noble coudl see me visit Knuckles is is James is a Nexus |
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 16:40:28 GMT -4
EBWOP: And if it turns out that you flip town, Blade? Then I'm going to be seriously eyeing both Noble and Saint as suspicious. Nice cover there, did Noble or Saint tell you to add that? The only possible thing I could flip today is town. And the only way Noble coudl see me visit Knuckles is is James is a Nexus EDIT: And the only way Noble could see me visit Knuckles is if James is a Nexus |
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Post by Reaver on Apr 15, 2012 16:50:07 GMT -4
lmfao, that userbar is sick!!
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Post by Kurt on Apr 15, 2012 17:03:59 GMT -4
again i ask, how was i super defensive? im justified in wat i said and nuttn about it overboard or out of the ordinary. the fact that u keep pushing the fact about me being "super defensive" is leaning me towards u. i mean, if i was so "defensive" like u said im being, wouldnt i have put a vote down on u? remember back in the SAW mafia game where me and JamesV went at it? THAT was super defensive but i didnt even bother here, y? maybe its cuz i got nuttn to hide? ok so im wondering something..... kurt said that i was successful in "biting" blade but blade has confirmed that he wasnt bitten. something isnt adding up here. blade, is there anything u can share as far as nite 1? it sounds to me like kurt is slipping. You were certain I was out to get you even before I posted that you were super defensive. You played the victim card about people saying you posted first (which didn't make sense), demanded proof (which I showed you in the write-up, which you ignore), and claimed I was role-fishing (I asked a simple question that you exploded over). I'm not the only one who sees these things Knuckles. Just because you didn't lay out a vote doesn't mean you were hiding in a corner hoping I backed off. Your defensiveness can be summed up that I asked you about the information I received, without making judgment, and you responded the way you did...overtly defensive. On to more pressing matters... Blade's lost it, ha. Now Kris is suspicious because she agrees...so basically everyone that's against Blade is aligned with me. Saint, Kris, even Gubayama's suspicious. Yep, we all played our hands this early in the game. Or maybe no one believes you. I'm betting on that one. My role should be fairly obvious at this point, even if it is a variation of a regular one. It's how I know that someone, whether it was Knuckles (who I targeted), Gubayama, James, Hell, Santa himself bit you. Someone bit you, and from the reaction, they've given, I'm guessing it was exactly the person I used my action on. It doesn't get any clearer than that. Still waiting on James to confirm this mystery night action. Oh...and nice userbar, ha. Not true, but quite funny. |
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 17:12:06 GMT -4
And you cant guess my role from the hints that I have ben giving?
If I am lynched Kurt you will be the next one to go, its that simple.
I just hope that you wear that userbar with Pride.
Oh, and James hasnt been online, so at least give him a chance to blow a hole in your story (thats for all the wanna be hammerers.)
If you are town Kurt, you really have blown it and you will cause the downfall of two power roles.
Congrats
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Post by Jules on Apr 15, 2012 17:49:16 GMT -4
There is a lot that has been said since my last post and I don't feel I need to go over everything that has caught my eye because it has been largely dealt with.
What I do need to say of relevance is that I am willing to take Noble's claim about Knuckles biting Blade in good faith, on the basis that if Noble were to deliberately lie on day 2 he knows he would be a goner next time. That wouldn't be bold scum play, it would be stupid. I don't believe Noble fits that description.
Blade has done nothing to convince me that Noble is lying, in fact there hasn't been a single refutation, just plenty of empty rhetoric, attempted deflection, unsubstantiated counter-accusation and weak claims about actions being successful but unhelpful.
The idea that Noble would out Knuckles, lay down a vote, then suddenly change the vote to Blade later after a convo with his scum mate Saint, makes no sense to me. Surely this discussion would have been had prior to any vote being made. My experience of playing as scum is that you tend to discuss strategy before implementing it. Noble's scum play in the past doesn't suggest he would play so waywardly.
Apparently JamesV can clear Blade, but he is MIA atm, although he has posted today on the mafia game active over at CWC. Maybe he is busy, maybe he is laying low to try and stall this lynch for a scum buddy.
Maybe, I'm wrong, but I'm going with my interpretation of the evidence in front of me.
Unvote. Vote: Blade
If you can refute the evidence then I will apologise and unvote. I also want to point out that Knuckles is by no means off the hook here, and I am highly suspicious of Gubayama and his behaviour today too.
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Post by President Jeff on Apr 15, 2012 17:55:52 GMT -4
I'd like to hear what JamesV says first before I'd drop a vote on Blade.
One thing I'd like to point out that we should maybe keep in the back of our mind for this day phase
Jason Royce hasn't posted yet either, but I think he's likely to get modkilled. Now, if we Lynch Blade and he comes out town, and Jason gets Lynched modkilled, and scum Kill a townie, we could lose 3 townies just like that.
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 18:01:14 GMT -4
I have an offensive town role that I can choose who I visit.
James is my only out and judging by the write up people were turned etc then James would also be town.
I cannot claim, I have hinted. If people can't see that hint then I don't know what to do.
If I do get lynched the town lose an active power role which is useful
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Post by iceman49 on Apr 15, 2012 19:21:52 GMT -4
sorry io have not been around the last couple of days i have been buys bbut after reading all that has transpiored and the evidence that has come forward, it eems that something has happened
VOTE BLADE
JASON
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Post by Kurt on Apr 15, 2012 19:23:24 GMT -4
I'd like to hear what JamesV says first before I'd drop a vote on Blade. One thing I'd like to point out that we should maybe keep in the back of our mind for this day phase Jason Royce hasn't posted yet either, but I think he's likely to get modkilled. Now, if we Lynch Blade and he comes out town, and Jason gets Lynched modkilled, and scum Kill a townie, we could lose 3 townies just like that. We can't operate under some skittish mentality where we see everyone who dies as town. Yes, we *could* lose three townies, but with the evidence we have, coupled with the fact that there wasn't a kill last night, makes me fairly certain we're going to nail a non-town today. If Royce gets modkilled...well, then he didn't help us. And Blade, I'm going to encourage the rest of the town to wait for James. No one post a further vote for Blade. Let's see if this pans out... But, I'm going to remember some things as I watch this... 1. Someone has been silenced...and only 2 players have not posted today: Royce and JamesV. 2. James has logged on in CWC, as recent as a few hours ago...so I won't rule out that if he's a teammate of yours, he's trying to stall the day out. I see your role hints by the way. I know the role you're attempting to pass off...which even if you *are* said role, that role isn't always a town role, so I'll keep that in mind too. Nothing you've said so far has lead me to believe you're town. |
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Post by T-Marv on Apr 15, 2012 19:23:45 GMT -4
This is really wierd and I don't like how the lynch is going on Blade here. Basically everybody is believing Noble with NO outside proof. Basically it's Blade's word vs. Nobles and Noble is somehow coming off more trusting to everyone. One person is saying the other is lying....that happened last game and how did that work out for the town?
I wanna wait. I wanna hear from James..... who could also be lying his ass off. I'm just really not comfortable with a lynch on Blade.
Here's what I'm getting so far, correct me if I'm wrong.
Noble is saying that Blade was bitten.
Keaton is saying that Knuckles bit someone.
The ones bitten in the write up is the recruiter and the one biting is now in the cult.
IF blade gets lynched AND blade isn't 3rd party, then it's Keaton and Noble going to the gallows tomorrow.
Either way, I'm not comfortable with a vote right now.
Unfortunately....(sorry blade) a lynch on blade may be a GREAT idea cause it will give us a lot more information than we already have. THAT should be last resort though.
Also....I suspect mafia action tonight. I suspect that 3rd party acts one night, mafia the other(as far as kills go)
there's my two cents.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 15, 2012 19:27:01 GMT -4
EBWOP
So JamesV is the only one who hasn't posted today. Someone double check to confirm. Explains why he might not have logged on...since the last time he logged on, Day 2 had started, so he would have known he was already silenced. Question is...did you know that?
Got anything else to help your case?
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 19:30:00 GMT -4
Actually I give up, you guys have wasted the day phase
Just lynch me.
Well done Kurt
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 19:36:57 GMT -4
And me conceding is because of people that are just coming in and voting without actually putting any real thought into anything.
Plz put that userbar in your sig when i am lynched. Sad thing is Kurt I actually believe you are town hence no vote on you
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 15, 2012 19:42:06 GMT -4
Lemme just quote what you said Marv:
Keaton is saying that Knuckles bit someone.
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Right, my basis for this is Kurt's report combined with the initial reaction of Knuckles and his play following it, the night results also make it clear that the zombie went for the cult recruiter which means Knuckles visiting Blade means Blade is the cult recruiter.
I'm not actually saying that Knuckles bit someone, I'm saying he made the attempt and succeeded up to the point that his target was the cultist.
That explains why Kurt has a successful visit from Knuckles, why Knuckles is claiming he did visit but isn't a biter AND why Blade is claiming he's a powerful town role right now.
We got a MAJOR breakthrough on the first night and to not use it to cut the head of the cult would be ridiculous. Everything up to now convinces me that Kurt's report is legitimate and the supporting evidence either comes from a great source (night result) or a strong reaction (Knuckles, Blade).
It's all there, plain to see.
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 19:44:13 GMT -4
Lol major breakthrough that leads to a townie being lynched
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 15, 2012 19:53:39 GMT -4
Except that if you're town, Kurt has to be lying and even you've admitted he is based on your last post and the userbar.
That does not make sense.
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Post by Smash INC on Apr 15, 2012 19:55:05 GMT -4
EBWOP
Meant to put the bracketed word in.
Except that if you're town, Kurt has to be lying and even you've admitted he is [town] based on your last post and the userbar.
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 20:02:15 GMT -4
I think he is lying about his night actions, yes.
I'm fine with being lynched but the town lose a clean town player.
I hope both you and Kurt are getting your speeches ready for day 3 because you will need them when the heat is on you following my flip.
Hell I will even go as far as saying that if I flip anything but town I will never play mafia here on APW again
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Post by Michael Jennings on Apr 15, 2012 20:06:06 GMT -4
Yeah I'm just posting now Kurt. Going to read through everything but that lynch came fast.
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Post by Blade on Apr 15, 2012 20:08:44 GMT -4
No lynch yet James, half way I think with about 3 waiting to drop a vote on me
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