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Post by SalTal on May 12, 2012 10:11:49 GMT -4
Lastly, who did you investigate last night Sally? I investigated Venom, and he came back third party. 100%, no BS. I also tried to kill Callahan and it failed. |
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 10:16:58 GMT -4
Lastly, who did you investigate last night Sally? I investigated Venom, and he came back third party. 100%, no BS. I also tried to kill Callahan and it failed. Sounds like a productive night, ha. |
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Post by SalTal on May 12, 2012 10:23:33 GMT -4
I investigated Venom, and he came back third party. 100%, no BS. I also tried to kill Callahan and it failed. Sounds like a productive night, ha. 50% productive; soon to be 100% productive. I want to know why Callahan didn't die. If our doctor is out there still, did they protect him? |
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 10:27:55 GMT -4
Sounds like a productive night, ha. 50% productive; soon to be 100% productive. I want to know why Callahan didn't die. If our doctor is out there still, did they protect him? ...Oh...did you seriously try and kill Callahan? I thought that was a joke. >_> I have a theory about that based off my night information, but first I need to share that I watched you...and saw you use your night action on yourself, which makes absolutely no sense. I'd accept being bussed or misdirected, but it seems to me like all those roles would have been dead by now, looking at all the town people that have died. |
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Post by SalTal on May 12, 2012 10:34:57 GMT -4
50% productive; soon to be 100% productive. I want to know why Callahan didn't die. If our doctor is out there still, did they protect him? ...Oh...did you seriously try and kill Callahan? I thought that was a joke. >_> I have a theory about that based off my night information, but first I need to share that I watched you...and saw you use your night action on yourself, which makes absolutely no sense. I'd accept being bussed or misdirected, but it seems to me like all those roles would have been dead by now, looking at all the town people that have died. That is strange. I really did investigate Venom. I openly said I investigated myself Night 1 - what would be the point in doing it again? I investigated CJ and called him town and he came up town. I investigated Level-One and called him town which fitted with his godfather role. I investigated myself and got sane. So my investigations are correct, and Venom is third party. He's the back-up, I think. Because he can't kill people from the looks of things (but TMarv's lack of write-up really hurts things). I got Jeff's last gift - likely because I backed him in his Level-One lynch and my night work gave him the strong idea that I was town and it would be useful. I was an X-shot, and I used it on Callahan but I was unsuccessful. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the mafia can still kill without the godfather yeah? And with only one person dying last night, I'd say that one of the two sides is harmless now; and I'm prepared to believe that the third party isn't able to kill. Of course, I'm prepared to say I'm wrong there. But that's why I'm not pushing Venom yet. He's third party, and he can't say anything to change my mind. But I want to sort of Callahan before I go for Venom. |
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 11:52:19 GMT -4
Don't worry, I believe that someone interfered with my role.
And I do believe Jake Venom can kill (although this most recent lack of a write-up does hurt us, I agree). On Night 3, one person visited L1: Venom. In that write-up, Skoob is attacked by someone unnamed, but survives the attack. Someone didn't kill last night to keep the heat off themselves.
And yes, the ability to kill typically gets handed to someone else within the Mafia/3rd party. I still believe both sides can kill, and I'd rather push for a Venom lynch, but I agree that we need to deliberate over Callahan before pushing a vote.
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 12, 2012 12:30:59 GMT -4
Lastly, who did you investigate last night Sally? I investigated Venom, and he came back third party. 100%, no BS. I also tried to kill Callahan and it failed. Like I said, I think he's Vinny. How else would he know that L-O was Skroob 100%? Vote: JakeVHate to say I told you so but I did. He CLEARLY has been lying which is what I was saying from the start. IF he does come back as Vinny then I can clear Callahan of being red mafia given the fact they weren't able to kill him the night I targetted him. Sally, let me be frank. Callahan was the night one target of the red mafia. The ONLY scum role he could have is Vinny. However given that JakeV came up third party then that leads me to believe that he is Vinny and that Callahan is 100% town which is what I've been saying. Why? It's simple. As said previously he was the night one target of the red mafia. When JakeV came out with his BS I said that and I stand by it to the point where if Callahan comes back scum then you can lynch me. I'm positive on all of this and if people would just listen to me then we can lynch scum. Noble, HOW do you know Callahan was not the night one target? Tell me how. Because I protected him night one and lost one of my protects. Down to one now after they tried to kill me, started with three. See a pattern? Obvious who I am. Right now I'm positive that Sally, Noble, and Callahan are town. I'm positive that JakeV is Vinny. That leaves Rebel, Farq, and Smith. One is Colonel Kernel Sanders, one is Dark Helmet, and the third is town. Think Smith is the townie out of the three. Now if we can please lynch the purple mafia member then we can move on and figure the rest of this out. |
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Post by T-Marv on May 12, 2012 12:45:20 GMT -4
Write-up done.
Deadline is Tuesday at 10 am
HOWEVER.... there is an outstanding Mod-Kill for inactivity. IF said person doesn't check in in 24 hours, the DAY will end. All rules about "most votes" will be adhered too.
Will keep you up dated on this.
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 12:56:34 GMT -4
Here's the central problem with your theory James (not the JakeV one):
Sally, on night one, was targeted by L1...the Mafia Godfather. She *was* the Mafia target because L1 was the only one that targeted her (minus herself, but I'm starting to believe the clean-up also hid what she did at night). Nick was the Cult target. How exactly do you think Callahan was the target when Sally died by the Godfather visit?
I don't know exactly how your ability works, and maybe you are who you say you are, but you'll have to forgive me for not taking your word for much right now. You were "confident" I was scum yesterday, and you are vying for someone that has nearly as much evidence against them as Jake does. Callahan stopped the Godfather's lynch, and subsequently did nothing to try and clear him. It doesn't make sense to me, but if someone can offer some credible, sensible information that clears Callahan, I'd be more inclined to believe you.
Right now, I don't.
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 12:59:13 GMT -4
EBWOP:
Sally, take a look at the most recent write-up. It doesn't look like Callahan was protected, but that your ability misfired. I've got a theory about that that I'll explain after others chime in.
And Rebel has to be the modkill person. He hasn't chimed in in a while, and I'm certain he's town. If the 24 hours are almost up, we need to make sure Rebel isn't the only one who dies.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on May 12, 2012 13:07:53 GMT -4
I'm here -- and have nothing currently to add to the game.
I'm not dodging on purpose but have just been busy and haven't had the chance to keep up like I would have liked to.
I could have sworn that Jeff was going to be scum -- but that didn't exactly play out like I thought.
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 13:11:58 GMT -4
I'm here -- and have nothing currently to add to the game. I'm not dodging on purpose but have just been busy and haven't had the chance to keep up like I would have liked to. I could have sworn that Jeff was going to be scum -- but that didn't exactly play out like I thought. Well, while we have your attention... 1. Who visited me night 1? 2. I believe you're a tracker/Lone Starr. Let's call it a hunch. No need to character claim or role-claim, but I do believe I've called your role/character correctly. |
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Post by Jules on May 12, 2012 13:31:43 GMT -4
Nothing has changed my mind since the last day phase when I was convinced Jake Venom was anti-town and voted as such. In fact, Sally's info just adds to it and the fact she played such a pivotal role in L-1's lynch gives her the required credibility.
Vote: Jake Venom
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 13:33:31 GMT -4
Nothing has changed my mind since the last day phase when I was convinced Jake Venom was anti-town and voted as such. In fact, Sally's info just adds to it and the fact she played such a pivotal role in L-1's lynch gives her the required credibility. Vote: Jake VenomI'm just full of questions right now. Got one for you too. Who did you visit last night? I know you have a night action. |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on May 12, 2012 13:42:31 GMT -4
I'm here -- and have nothing currently to add to the game. I'm not dodging on purpose but have just been busy and haven't had the chance to keep up like I would have liked to. I could have sworn that Jeff was going to be scum -- but that didn't exactly play out like I thought. Well, while we have your attention... 1. Who visited me night 1? 2. I believe you're a tracker/Lone Starr. Let's call it a hunch. No need to character claim or role-claim, but I do believe I've called your role/character correctly. You were visited by Jules... I won the trivia challenge and so I was allowed to use my role twice, which is where I first tried to find out what Jeff was up to but I couldn't find him. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 12, 2012 13:50:54 GMT -4
Here's the central problem with your theory James (not the JakeV one): Sally, on night one, was targeted by L1...the Mafia Godfather. She *was* the Mafia target because L1 was the only one that targeted her (minus herself, but I'm starting to believe the clean-up also hid what she did at night). Nick was the Cult target. How exactly do you think Callahan was the target when Sally died by the Godfather visit? I don't know exactly how your ability works, and maybe you are who you say you are, but you'll have to forgive me for not taking your word for much right now. You were "confident" I was scum yesterday, and you are vying for someone that has nearly as much evidence against them as Jake does. Callahan stopped the Godfather's lynch, and subsequently did nothing to try and clear him. It doesn't make sense to me, but if someone can offer some credible, sensible information that clears Callahan, I'd be more inclined to believe you. Right now, I don't. The bottom line is that someone tried to kill Callahan night one and it didn't work. I lost one of my protects. I lost another one when they tried to kill me. I only used one of my protects night one and it was on Callahan. That's how I know he was targetted for the night kill because I lost another one when they killed me. Didn't lose any when I was blocked. See where I'm getting at? There's no way he could've been anything but the kill target. That's the only logical explanation for the whole thing given how my role works. My question about the Callahan thing is what evidence is there that he is scum other than not buying the L-O lynch? I didn't buy it. Does that make me scum? No, it makes me someone who ahd the wrong point of view on who was scum and who wasn't. Now at the start of the game I said I thought that purple mafia was a vet and a rookie. I was right. Red mafia is L-O and two others. So this is what I propose. We lynch JakeV because wasting time on arguing over his lynch is pointless at this point because he's already been outed as third party. Then we look into Callahan because I will not be votring for him, you, or Sally at all. I GUARANTEE he will not come up as red mafia. The only way for that to happen is if he is Vinny and JakeV is the red mafia hitman. Other than that scenario I don't see it being even a remote possibility because of what I know from when I protected him. Write-up even shows the red mafia's kill fail if you go back and look. Very obvious their kill didn't work that night. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 12, 2012 13:52:44 GMT -4
Well, while we have your attention... 1. Who visited me night 1? 2. I believe you're a tracker/Lone Starr. Let's call it a hunch. No need to character claim or role-claim, but I do believe I've called your role/character correctly. You were visited by Jules... I won the trivia challenge and so I was allowed to use my role twice, which is where I first tried to find out what Jeff was up to but I couldn't find him. Is what Noble is saying correct? If so then it makes everything a hundred times more clearer. |
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Post by Michael Callahan on May 12, 2012 16:00:18 GMT -4
Why shouldn't we lynch you? This well and truly is the million dollar question isn't it? Why shouldn't you lynch me? I don't know. Why SHOULDN'T you lynch me? The truth is, I don't have an answer for why you SHOULDN'T lynch me. At the end of the day my error of judgment regarding L1 almost cost us Kurt and the way I've played so far has been town-wise, nothing short of terrible so really there is no answer to this question. I defend L1 repeatedly. L1 dies and turns up scum. Guilt by association? Heyooo. Red flag alert. I'm obviously a scum guy trying to defend his partner right? It seems like a sure shot at this stage and given how disappointingly I've played the last few days after a great bit of work in the Knuckles lynch, it seems only fitting that I die at the hands of the public. However, beating myself up over catastrophic play and bad decisions won't do anything. You want answers? I'll give you answers. It won't achieve anything because public opinion is so stacked against me right now following the L1 lynch that it's almost unbelievable. So in an attempt to answer your question Sally, this is what I've got. You shouldn't lynch me because I have a role which has so far been useful to us in eliminating a powerful figure in Knuckles. You shouldn't lynch me because if it turns out I am scum, I would still even after death have a partner with which to kill people. Two people would die tonight and that will be extremely damaging for the town and virtually hand them a victory. On the other hand we can almost assure victory tonight if we lynch JakeV, who I can confirm is the final Third Party thanks to the nature of my role. In doing this, we can reduce the Night Kills to one and give us a fighting chance of winning this game. If you lynch me tonight, regardless or not of whether I'm town/scum there will still be two NK's and we'll be no closer to making the serious progress we need to make. With me dead that's seven, two successful night kills and we're at five with both a Third Party and Scummer still alive. Even if you manage to nail one that's still three left on the final day and given that we have no idea who the scum players are, only that Jake is Vinnie is going to make it impossible for us. Finally, to answer your question Kurt. The reason I didn't investigate L1 is because I did, but was roleblocked. It wasn't brought up in discussion next day because I'd figured it could be either one of you trying to protect yourself from spilling out who was the real scum of the two. So I abstained from voting and thought I'd let public opinion sway the direction of the day because I figured that a lynch that day could only be productive and to confuse things would be a bad play on my part. All I know is that I shouldn't be on Jeff's list. I don't know why I was included on there. Terry Marvin has even said that I shouldn't be on that list. I'd have thought his motivation for that would've been to nail me as scum to take the heat off himself, but given that he turned up town I don't know why he'd have put me in there. I am absolutely 100% town and while I made a poor call of judgment I'm absolutely determined to try and bring back my esteem with the town after the success of the Knuckles lynch. Vote: Jake Venom |
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 16:18:46 GMT -4
Humor me then.
Tell me what you got when you visited Jake Venom. You're a "role cop." You got a role, correct? You wouldn't just get "third party" and the fact that you didn't name his role is odd.
So what was it?
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Post by Jules on May 12, 2012 16:45:38 GMT -4
Nothing has changed my mind since the last day phase when I was convinced Jake Venom was anti-town and voted as such. In fact, Sally's info just adds to it and the fact she played such a pivotal role in L-1's lynch gives her the required credibility. Vote: Jake VenomI'm just full of questions right now. Got one for you too. Who did you visit last night? I know you have a night action. I visited Callahan last night. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on May 12, 2012 17:06:28 GMT -4
Checking in for the first time after helping preside over a REALLY bad baseball game. It's a shame we lose Jeff, but we can still move forward.
I won't copy-paste Callahan's entire shpiel about why we should lynch Jake Venom. But I do agree with most of it, and if Callahan is right and he's the third party, we can almost win the game here. If Callahan's NOT right, then he becomes the focal point of suspicion during the next day phase.
VOTE: Jake Venom
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Post by T-Marv on May 12, 2012 18:46:54 GMT -4
Vote Count: Jake V - 4 (Jules, James, Callahan, AC)
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Post by Kurt on May 12, 2012 20:46:02 GMT -4
The bottom line is that someone tried to kill Callahan night one and it didn't work. I lost one of my protects. I lost another one when they tried to kill me. I only used one of my protects night one and it was on Callahan. That's how I know he was targetted for the night kill because I lost another one when they killed me. Didn't lose any when I was blocked. See where I'm getting at? There's no way he could've been anything but the kill target. That's the only logical explanation for the whole thing given how my role works. My question about the Callahan thing is what evidence is there that he is scum other than not buying the L-O lynch? I didn't buy it. Does that make me scum? No, it makes me someone who ahd the wrong point of view on who was scum and who wasn't. Now at the start of the game I said I thought that purple mafia was a vet and a rookie. I was right. Red mafia is L-O and two others. So this is what I propose. We lynch JakeV because wasting time on arguing over his lynch is pointless at this point because he's already been outed as third party. Then we look into Callahan because I will not be votring for him, you, or Sally at all. I GUARANTEE he will not come up as red mafia. The only way for that to happen is if he is Vinny and JakeV is the red mafia hitman. Other than that scenario I don't see it being even a remote possibility because of what I know from when I protected him. Write-up even shows the red mafia's kill fail if you go back and look. Very obvious their kill didn't work that night. I agree with you that Callahan might have been a kill target on night 1 (One shot Vig?), but we have direct evidence that says he was not the Mafia target. That's how we *got* L1 in the first place. The evidence for the Callahan lynch is, to me: - His stoppage of L1's lynch after trying to blend in to it. - His roleblock claim, which if we didn't buy for Jake, I highly doubt any of us should buy for Callahan. No one today has claimed to be roleblocked, and it sure as Hell wasn't Jake V. - Being on Jeff's list as scum (Jeff told us he was added for some reason he couldn't claim without being modkilled. Something is up there) It's stronger than any other player here, except Jake V. I do believe Callahan (and you too) were very happy this Jake V lynch got pushed the way it did. I suspect both of you will be looked at tomorrow. Callahan: This is nonsense, and I don't believe you. Roleblocking seems to be an incredibly common theme in this game, and I don't believe we have any roleblockers left in the game. Your reason for not disclosing this information voluntarily the other day is flimsy, as it would not have disputed anything. Your reasons for doing things, from voting L1 one day and not voting him yesterday make little to no sense. I firmly believe you're scum. Jules: Then my role was misdirected to watch Callahan, who was visited by Sally and Jules. I don't know what you were doing, but if you visited me night 1...I've got an idea. With that being said, this day has not changed my opinion of any player. Callahan's reasons for his actions are nonsensical. JamesV insists that Callahan is not scum, despite direct evidence that he was not the Mafia's Night 1 target. While I'd like to wait for a JakeV response, nothing he says will convince me he isn't third-party. Every player has chimed in, and presented they have or are willing to share. Let's move along then. Vote: Jake Venom |
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Post by SalTal on May 12, 2012 21:16:54 GMT -4
No point in waiting for Venom, and I think this is just overkill, but:
Vote: Jake Venom
Actually, in Callahan's reply (which was along the lines of my styling of posting haha!) he made sense: Take out the third party, we're only down to one killing group. One less kill is better.
The protector has a hard decision to make in regards to who to protect tonight it seems!
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 12, 2012 21:24:24 GMT -4
Sally, who in your opinion should be protected in your opinion? Just wondering.
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Post by T-Marv on May 12, 2012 21:31:03 GMT -4
THATS A LYNCH as of Kurt's post. He was the Hammer.
His latest victim lying in wait, Hitman Vinnie slowly stalked up on his prey. He slides up behind her, dagger out, and POUNCES! He slits the throat of the person without any fight.....
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Only to find out it's a stuffed dummy. He turns around and a rope is tied tightly around his neck. Lone Starr, Barf, and the others shove him hard over the side of the bridge. He falls untill the rope tightens and his robot body provides too much weight, seperating from his head.
DEAD: Jake Venom - Vinnie - 3rd Party Unmisdirectable HITMAN
Somewhere on the Moon of Vega, suffering from the effects of his botched Kill last night, Yogurt lies in the sands... unable to move. His schwartz ring sparks and fizzles.
Yogurt: My Schwartz has failed me. Guess I should have created Spaceballs Viagra instead of the damn flamethrower. [/color]
He remembers back to who he was trying to kill last night. THen he remembers where it went fatally wrong. At the last second, the image he got in his head was....his own.
DEAD: Sally Talfourd - Yogurt - Town Cop
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Post by T-Marv on May 12, 2012 21:34:44 GMT -4
24 hour DL for night actions.
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Post by T-Marv on May 15, 2012 7:31:02 GMT -4
Sorry for the Massive Laziness here.
DEAD: James V - Ewoks - Town Doctor
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Noble
Callahan
Farq
Rebel
AC Smith
5 alive.... 3 to lynch
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Post by Kurt on May 15, 2012 9:28:53 GMT -4
Well, that sucked. Losing Sally definitely puts us in a hard spot, and JamesV flipping town definitely just adds to my confusion. Was sure he was Mafia...but that's that.
With 5 of us left, there's 2 scum. I know 100% Rebel is not Mafia. That leaves Callahan, AC Smith, and Jules. 2/3 of you are Mafia...and one of you is Town.
Of all of you...you still look the most suspicious Callahan. Nothing you've said has changed my opinion of you, and your "oh yeah, by the way..." roleblock claim only leads me to believe you're lying. Literally the only thing that works in your favor is JamesV's testimony that you were the night 1 target, but you obviously weren't.
I know Jules visited me night 1, and visited Callahan Night 4. Whatever he's doing, he's not the killer, although a little insight would be nice if you have any information.
AC Smith just kind of floated through yesterday's day phase, as did Jules really. You and Callahan have pretty much been tied together this whole game, but I don't know that you'd make such a scum connection so obvious.
Either Callahan or AC Smith are doing the killings. One of these two needs to take the lynch.
I gotta think this over...but I'm pretty sure I know who's getting my vote.
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Post by A.C. Smith on May 15, 2012 10:08:44 GMT -4
Kurt, the only reason Callahan and I have ever been tied together was when we got the same information about Knuckles at the same time. I got it through a one-shot role sent my way by Jeff; I've said all along that I don't know how Callahan got it.
You'd said I coasted through the previous day phase. I worked three baseball games in two days Friday and Saturday, and the only chance I had to check in on the thread came Saturday after the third game.
I can't say it any more firmly than this: I am TOWN. And lynching me would be a big, BIG mistake this late in the game.
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