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Post by Michael Callahan on May 3, 2012 18:12:58 GMT -4
I personally don't mind it but I think for most people the thought of an E-Fedder (who's meant to be a talented writer) using short-hand and text speech is quite taboo and seen as lazy?
Iunno.
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Post by Jules on May 3, 2012 18:13:53 GMT -4
ebwop... yes i mean farq thats a quote from the actual movie. at this point they were shooting around her b4 help came. based on the write up, help came too late, where they found "Sally" was NOT apart of the movie where as the asshole scene above it was. "i guess it could have also been a lightning rod?" Is this the line from the movie? How are you interpreting this in terms of the write-up and what it tells us? (Sorry Knuckles, it may be the case I am being dim here, I don't quite follow your thinking). As for the misdirector/bus driver thing - you could be right. I just did a quick google search couldn't find any role specifically called 'misdirector' on the first page (although there is a link to a strategy discussion). But I do have this page in my favourites... deusexmafia.wetpaint.com/page/Mafia+Role+ListIt includes on its list a role called 'redirector' which is distinct from 'bus driver'. Here is the description. Anyway, since Nick is dead this info probably won't help us too much, unless his action went through and there is someone who can confirm something about what this role entailed. |
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Post by Reaver on May 3, 2012 18:17:08 GMT -4
I personally don't mind it but I think for most people the thought of an E-Fedder (who's meant to be a talented writer) using short-hand and text speech is quite taboo and seen as lazy? Iunno. never judge a book by its cover my friend. if more people actually read my rp's i might have more fans :-p then again people love to hate me  |
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Post by Reaver on May 3, 2012 18:23:18 GMT -4
ebwop, u posted b4 me jules....
i accidently posted my words inside the quote so it looked like it was part of the quote.
the lightning rod line was apart of my statement not part of the movie....sorry for the confusion.
maybe thisll help out some....
lonestar comes and saves them slightly later but according to the write up, they got there too late. them showing up late is just them proving she was dead and the fact that it was cleaned up proves that theres a janitor or cleaner somewhere.
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Post by Reaver on May 3, 2012 18:30:24 GMT -4
ebwop....sorry guys i keep missin this
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Post by Kaji Fireson on May 3, 2012 19:24:12 GMT -4
The thing about Knuckles is that when you talk, you do sound intelligent. It creates such a drastic disconnect when you post...well, like you post. You would never guess how keen you are from the way you post in the OOC.
As for the mafia, with a third Spaceball confirmed, now we have 5/15 (33.3%), and now with Sally and Nick, 5/13 (38.46%).
HOWEVER
With Sally having been cleaned up, we have no idea if she was town or scum. I assume she was town, as everyone was alive in the movie quote...but being a movie quote, I don't know how reliable that is. For all we know, PTH2 offed Colonel Kernel or something. After all, the mafia knows who they are, and the Pizza Hut party knows who they are, but since they are different parties, I'm willing to bet they don't know who each other are.
However, I am now even more confident than yesterday that we should be more aggressive as a town.
Who's been quiet?
More than the average, that is.
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Post by Reaver on May 3, 2012 19:33:22 GMT -4
1. Jules(Farq) - alive and kickin
2. Kurt Noble - alive but mia
3. C.J. Gates - alive but mia
4. Saltal - dead
5. A.C. Smith - alive and barely kickin (prolly busy)
6. Knuckles - wont shut up
7. Callahan - alive and barely kickin
8. Level One - alive but mia
9. Kaji - alive (and hopefully soon to be more active
10. Jake Venom - alive but mia
11. Johnny Rebel - alive but mia
12. James V - alive but mia
13. President Jeff - alive but mia
14. Nick Watson - dead
15. Blade - alive but mia
people r prolly at work but we need more to be a lil more active so we can get any info from the nite phase. jeff is the only person here with an excuse since he is busy running the fed as well :-p
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Post by Kurt on May 3, 2012 19:35:03 GMT -4
I'd like to apologize for basically being a non-entity in this game thus far. I haven't been posting on the forums much at all because of a weird apathetic mood this week; hopefully it'll be corrected soon enough. Just read through all the posts so far, and I'm back up to speed.
I don't really have any comments about Day 1. Seemed like traditional squabbling to me, although perhaps some of the more attentive players feel differently. It's all subjective anyway.
I do not believe Sally was third-party due to both cult members from the first write-up being mentioned after her death had occurred. It also seems to me that if Sally was indeed Mafia, her ability hides her upon death. I'm not really sure what to make of her death at the moment, so I'll ask one of you about it.
What do you think L1? You should know better than any of us.
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Post by President Jeff on May 3, 2012 19:50:59 GMT -4
I have nothing to add right now where I got no info from last night
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Post by A.C. Smith on May 3, 2012 20:01:57 GMT -4
Yeah, I've been working like a dog this week. Good for preparing for Siena softball's Senior Day Saturday, but bad for mafia (shame on me, right?).
Anyway, all I can go by is what I saw in the writeup. I stand by that, by the way, and think that whoever was supposed to get killed by the mafia got protected somehow. This is nothing but an educated guess, but I at least thought that was made pretty clear in the writeup.
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Post by Blade on May 3, 2012 20:24:45 GMT -4
It's 1am here and shattered, will give thoughts when I wake up.
Knuckles FYI incase you forgot, the day has only just started so trying to weed out the inactives is pointless as the day is only a few hours old. Maybe you should worry about your game play.
Oh and dud anyone notice that it only took 7 votes to end the day yesterday, not 8?
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Post by A.C. Smith on May 3, 2012 20:31:40 GMT -4
Oh and dud anyone notice that it only took 7 votes to end the day yesterday, not 8? Ya know, I meant to ask about this, but my perception of a kill being blocked or re-directed took top billing. It certainly seems like we have a double-voter on our hands. |
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Post by Jules on May 3, 2012 20:31:56 GMT -4
Oh and dud anyone notice that it only took 7 votes to end the day yesterday, not 8? Yes. |
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Post by Level-Two on May 3, 2012 21:04:39 GMT -4
First off I am not MIA, lol. I just haven't posted because I was writing and preparing segments for the show and other shit. Nonetheless to answer Nobles question – YES, I used my power role on Sally Talfourd but she was killed.
Honestly I had a gut feeling as soon as I realized she was killed – I thought that with my luck and tendacy to be fucked with on day ones I'd also be watched as well and apparently thats exactly what ocurred last night I would assume.
Though, I can promise you I am town. The fact that there is three mafia and likely three third party members to balance that out ON TOP of how the votes work; I am sorta fucked on that basis alone. Well, unless someone else is willing to share information that can clear me or provide some better insight on who the killers are.
All I know is if I make it through the day, I am positive I would be able to clear myself as town the next.
AC as for the write up – it's not specific but I wager my bet that Mafia and Third Party scored a kill one a peice. The only other option is that Sally was killed by a town aligned vig but I think it would be too early in the game to do something like that with no actual leads. It's too aggressive and it doesn't make any sense.
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Post by President Jeff on May 3, 2012 21:12:59 GMT -4
So, one of these people is a double voter
Callahan, Sally, CJ Gates, Nick Watson, AC Smith, Blade, Jules
I left sallys name in there cause even though she's dead, we don't know her role
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Post by A.C. Smith on May 3, 2012 21:15:52 GMT -4
I can promise anyone curious that I am NOT the double-voter. Nor am I scum.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on May 3, 2012 21:41:09 GMT -4
In Knux's defense, I brought up the question of who had been quiet; he just answered it. As for the vote count, is it not possible that rather than a double vote, someone has a secret vote? I don't know, I think that usually gets shown by some  , but not all mods mod all the same way. I got nothing else to add atm. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 3, 2012 22:54:52 GMT -4
Obvious to me that Purple Mafia is trying to set me up for a lynch with that Watson kill. That leads me to believe that there is one of the more experienced players in that group. Either that or two noobs who wouldn't think I'd figure that one out this quickly. Also obvious red mafia's target was protected. As for suspects I'm looking at the purple mafia first considering that I think that it's one experienced player and one noob. Experienced player is most likely the one who came up with the idea to kill Watson and get the suspicion on me because I went after him full blast day one.
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Post by Reaver on May 3, 2012 23:24:21 GMT -4
who would that be james? (too lazy to go back :-p )
im more interested in the fact that L-O was last to see sally alive when he OPENLY ADMITTED to checking her at nite. does anybody else find this a lil odd? my guess is that he either killed her or he was the clean up guy. either way its scummy. can i get anymore confirmation about this? i also wanna give him another chance to clear himself b4 dropping my vote.
1 more point b4 i stfu...
its not a matter of votes anymore this game remember? according to the rules, its whoever has the MOST VOTES so even if there was only 1 vote on (insert person here) and nobody else voted, (insert person here) would be lynched......is this or is this not correct terry? cuz thats how i read these particular rules this game.
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 3, 2012 23:35:37 GMT -4
Right now leaning toward Rebel, Blade, L-O,and Gates for the experienced player in that team in that order. I would say Knuckles too but he's the player I'm getting the most town vibes from so I'm not even going to list him. Out of the noobs I'm thinking Venom is the most likely candidate for being the partner. Call it gut feelings but that's what I'm leaning toward right now. Getting strong town vibes from Callahan and Farq as well.
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 3, 2012 23:53:52 GMT -4
Okay, so here are my thoughts.
The first part of that write up, the mafia part...any chance that it could have been a carry over from the day? I mean, TMarv never did a write up to end day one. It never mentions who got targeted by the mafia in that part and could have been a reflection of the no lynch.
The other reason that leads me to believe that is because Sally and Nick both died. It's highly unlikely that the cult got two kills, so it's either a mafia kill or a vig kill. But the fact that Sally was cleaned up (I'm going with the assumption that it was a janitor that cleaned up her kill), makes me think that it was a mafia kill. The odds of a janitor and a vig targeting the same person to get that result? Unlikely.
So where does that leave us?
Well, the fact that Level One visited Sally last night and openly said so does raise some fags. Unless a slew of people targeted her. Assuming there is a janitor and a hitman (to clean and kill) that would mean Level One was the third person to target her. It just seems fishy to me.
Also, James, the fact that you're pitching the idea of the cult trying to frame you doesn't exactly exonerate you from being anti-town. If what was said is true, and the mafia doesn't know who is third party and vice versa, there's still a chance that you could be scum.
Knuckles has also raised some flags, but more so with how hard he's pushing some things. His first post immediately starts digging, and then those posts about finding a red flag that wasn't really a red flag...but of the three I mentioned, Knuckles is the lowest on the list.
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Post by Level-Two on May 4, 2012 0:12:33 GMT -4
Knuckles, I wasn’t the last one to see Sally because I know someone else visited her in addition to me. I understand it’s a coincidence but no more of a coincidence then what you have put forth assuming that I am the killer and noble caught me in the act on day one.
I am pretty sure I can clear myself as the killer if given the chance by day three. If the theme is that I cleaned up the scene or whatever - all I can really say is that I would NEVER implicate myself using a pointless role with a watcher in the game knowing that I am prone to early investigations and night actions based off previous games.
Either the scene was cleaned or Sally Talfourd was a part of a third party faction - it could be part of her role to hide her alignment upon death. I say this because there has only been 2 third party members listed when there is likely to be three.
Furthermore, I would agree that a blatant attempt to frame up JamesV was made by the third party faction. It struck me as odd to see Pence killed night one even if he was more vocal then he usually was in these games. Also, it served as a pretty good distraction for those already under suspicion night one.
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 4, 2012 0:49:34 GMT -4
Okay, so here are my thoughts. Also, James, the fact that you're pitching the idea of the cult trying to frame you doesn't exactly exonerate you from being anti-town. If what was said is true, and the mafia doesn't know who is third party and vice versa, there's still a chance that you could be scum. That is true but it's an obvious set-up kill. The fact you are totally oblivious to the obvious raising some alarm bells. Scum team does this every game. Kill one player to get the attention on another, aka a Set-up Kill. Standard scum tactics by team purple in my opinion. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 4, 2012 0:57:03 GMT -4
Yes, but you missing my point is sending up alarms. I didn't say that they didn't frame you, I said that if they did, it doesn't eliminate you as part of the mafia. If we are assuming that mafia doesn't know who is cult and vice versa, the cult could have framed you and you could be mafia for all we know. I didn't say you weren't framed, just that the framing doesn't mean you aren't anti-town. If that's raising alarm bells for you, then I think you need to read a bit closer and actually understand what I said.
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 4, 2012 0:58:55 GMT -4
Knuckles, I wasn’t the last one to see Sally because I know someone else visited her in addition to me. I understand it’s a coincidence but no more of a coincidence then what you have put forth assuming that I am the killer and noble caught me in the act on day one. I am pretty sure I can clear myself as the killer if given the chance by day three. If the theme is that I cleaned up the scene or whatever - all I can really say is that I would NEVER implicate myself using a pointless role with a watcher in the game knowing that I am prone to early investigations and night actions based off previous games. Either the scene was cleaned or Sally Talfourd was a part of a third party faction - it could be part of her role to hide her alignment upon death. I say this because there has only been 2 third party members listed when there is likely to be three. Furthermore, I would agree that a blatant attempt to frame up JamesV was made by the third party faction. It struck me as odd to see Pence killed night one even if he was more vocal then he usually was in these games. Also, it served as a pretty good distraction for those already under suspicion night one. The fact that you and someone else visited Sally doesn't help your case. The fact that two people visited her and she was killed and cleaned up will leave you as a target. Giving you more time is either going to help or truly hurt and I'm really leaning toward the hurt part. |
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Post by Level-Two on May 4, 2012 1:13:50 GMT -4
Okay, so we know beyond a doubt she was cleaned up now? That may be your observation but really all that assumption is doing is explaining my innocence away in the event I manage prove that I am not the killer.
Secondly, above you stated that you find it hard to believe three people visited Sally on the same night - when reality its only two (me being one) if the Mafia killer killed Sally and his scum ally covered it up - they would be working and planning the hit together not separately.
Again - all that happened last night is that I used a town aligned role on Sally Talfourd - she was killed - and noble saw me visit her on the night she died. If I am going to be lynched on that basis so be it but adding all this other stuff into the equation is turning what occurred last night into something its not.
I have been as straightforward about it as I could possibly be short of saying I visited her before Kurt.
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 4, 2012 1:28:19 GMT -4
Okay, so we know beyond a doubt she was cleaned up now? That may be your observation but really all that assumption is doing is explaining my innocence away in the event I manage prove that I am not the killer. I'm going with the assumption that when a role isn't revealed, it means that the scene was cleaned up which a janitor does. It's all an assumption, yes, so you can hang nothing on it, but I've only really seen that kind of result after a death in games with a janitor. Secondly, above you stated that you find it hard to believe three people visited Sally on the same night - when reality its only two (me being one) if the Mafia killer killed Sally and his scum ally covered it up - they would be working and planning the hit together not separately. I did say that. What I meant was that if you are town, then you would have to be a third person to visit her, along with the killer and the janitor. I never said they were planning her kill separately, I said that IF there was a town vig who offed Sally, it's convenient that the vig (who wouldn't be Mafia) and the mafia janitor picked the same target without planning together. Again - all that happened last night is that I used a town aligned role on Sally Talfourd - she was killed - and noble saw me visit her on the night she died. If I am going to be lynched on that basis so be it but adding all this other stuff into the equation is turning what occurred last night into something its not. I have been as straightforward about it as I could possibly be short of saying I visited her before Kurt.[/quote] What do you mean by "you visited her before Kurt"? The assumption is that Kurt watched you go to Sally, so he couldn't have visited her too. |
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 4, 2012 1:29:55 GMT -4
EWOP
Messed up the quote lol the second part should read:
What do you mean by "you visited her before Kurt"? The assumption is that Kurt watched you go to Sally, so he couldn't have visited her too.
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Post by Michael Jennings on May 4, 2012 1:37:13 GMT -4
Gates, you do realize that the janitor clean up is automatic, right? Meaning that it'll happen no matter what unless the janitor is blocked, i.e. won't show up as a target action. That's just going by my own experience in mafia. Also I NEVER said I was framed, you did. I said it was a Set-Up Kill and explained what that is. Love how you reworded it to use the word framed instead of set-up to get the wheels turning about a possible framer role in the game. Only explanation for that wording as far as I can tell.
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 4, 2012 1:40:25 GMT -4
By framed, I meant set up. They're basically synonyms for one another, but semantics will allow you to believe that I put new words in your mouth to change things, won't it? As for the janitor role being automatic, in past games I've played here in APW, the Janitor role has actually been optional. It was chosen who it was used on or if it was used at all. But I guess that won't matter, because you'll all believe everyone else over me, right?
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, but not all mods mod all the same way.
