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Post by Johnny Rebel on May 28, 2012 15:24:13 GMT -4
I've got to be honest... Maybe it's paranoia, but I feel like either Jeff is trying to confuse us with his "useless role" after I came out about mine, or Mr. Callahan is very crafty, and knew that mentioning that could lead to a town lynch. And TJ jumping right on Callahans bandwagon after JUST "checking in" looks a little odd to me as well. Just expressing my opinions, it's all I can really do. This is standard banter from Jeff in Mafia games. Go back and look over his previous games and they are all fairly similar after the first few night actions. |
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Post by President Jeff on May 28, 2012 15:27:01 GMT -4
I've got to be honest... Maybe it's paranoia, but I feel like either Jeff is trying to confuse us with his "useless role" after I came out about mine, or Mr. Callahan is very crafty, and knew that mentioning that could lead to a town lynch. And TJ jumping right on Callahans bandwagon after JUST "checking in" looks a little odd to me as well. Just expressing my opinions, it's all I can really do. This is standard banter from Jeff in Mafia games. Go back and look over his previous games and they are all fairly similar after the first few night actions. True, and each game I was telling the truth |
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Post by Kurt on May 28, 2012 16:09:50 GMT -4
I've got to be honest... Maybe it's paranoia, but I feel like either Jeff is trying to confuse us with his "useless role" after I came out about mine, or Mr. Callahan is very crafty, and knew that mentioning that could lead to a town lynch. And TJ jumping right on Callahans bandwagon after JUST "checking in" looks a little odd to me as well. Just expressing my opinions, it's all I can really do. Your paranoia is indeed spiking here. Just because someone finds it peculiar that you openly outed your own opinion on Day 2 of your role without role-claiming doesn't mean you're being pushed for a "town lynch." I, quite frankly, find it odd that you and Jeff would both make such a move, as now, good or bad, you've given the Mafia a reason to pay attention to you and possibly ruminate over what could be a bluff. It's an attention attracting move that does not have a clear benefit to you or the town (an example of one being a cop or tracker/watcher outing/hinting by revealing a positive night result). T-marv also makes a point that a "useless" role is subjective. You had a Mason role a few games back, which I would consider a useful role because you have someone to trust and can exchange opinions with them. Again, it's all relative, but I'm afraid this situation does not put you (or Jeff) in the most favorable spotlight. Just because Jeff has made mention before that his role is useless is not evidence that it is. There are still several players that have not checked in, and even more than have done little more than make a single post confirming their presence. Hopefully we can soon start getting past these fairly useless "check-in" posts and actually dwell on actual game aspects as a whole, because we seem fairly directionless right now after nearly a full day. |
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Post by Michael Callahan on May 28, 2012 16:12:21 GMT -4
This is standard banter from Jeff in Mafia games. Go back and look over his previous games and they are all fairly similar after the first few night actions. True, and each game I was telling the truth This might be true but you're forgetting that every Mafia game is separate from the last. A key tenent which is constantly brought up whenever anything like this is said. What happened in the last game stays in the last game and as far as I'm concerned, you're both still suspicious. And as for your paranoia Chaz? Those two might not necessarily be mutually exclusive. It could be the case that I'm a crafty little snapping turtle AND Jeff is trying to confuse people and I'm trying to throw you off the scent that we're scum-buddies by making it look like I'm accusing him. Or it could be a coincidence. As for TJ? By no means am I clearing him but it could simply be that he's following by my example as I'm the only player here he really knows. Plus my point (as verified by T-Marv) about useless roles does make sense. APW is infamous for it's (often excessive) level of power roles. |
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 28, 2012 16:36:16 GMT -4
I just know how to check in and sit in the corning playing with myself until I figure this out. and by this I don't mean my penis, had that figured out since I was young.
But seriously, I was agree with Callahan soley because that's how I felt. One person isn't anything to think about, someone else in short amount of time, yea, which is why i understand Chaz's point of view.
also day 2 ends.... wednesday at 6:59 PM EST? Stickin non-americanlanders and they're weird timezone and way off displaying dates
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Post by Level-Two on May 28, 2012 17:06:03 GMT -4
So, I'm going to take it nobody has any useful night action information to share?
All this talk about power roles and lack thereof is kinda funny to me - as I have a so called ''dud'' power role as well. If saying that makes me a target for a night kill - hell if I care. You better hope I'm lying. ;D
Anyways, the people rushing into ''question'' the few who have made a claim like this are the townies themselves with power roles OR they are Mafia men setting the early groundwork for a future lynch.
Off handily, I can't imagine any scum member actually coming out day one saying they have a shit town aligned role for cover when they are not even under any suspicion at all.
Reading into the responses; The Soul and Chaz have specifically rubbed me the wrong way.
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Post by Level-Two on May 28, 2012 17:11:56 GMT -4
EWOP: Actually, after realizing I misread a little bit things it isn't Chaz I'm suspicious of but Callahan.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 28, 2012 17:35:37 GMT -4
What I'm wondering is... Did our crafty mod make this a "no power heavy" type game? A lot of people seem to not like their roles. Or again, could be trying to stir something up...
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Post by Jules on May 28, 2012 18:11:42 GMT -4
also day 2 ends.... wednesday at 6:59 PM EST? If this isn't a rhetorical question, then the answer is 'yes'. |
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 28, 2012 19:46:14 GMT -4
Thanks jules. I was slightly confused. Been awhile since i've had to deal with international date and time.
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 28, 2012 21:50:37 GMT -4
I don't know why people are reading so much into what people are saying per their roles. No one is going to come out and say "hey, look, I've got a good role" and be the target for a night kill because of it.
The only one so far that has rubbed me the wrong way is TJ. I mean, I know he's new to the game, but he has raised some flags for me.
It almost seems like we're either going to be lynching a semi-active person to keep things active, or reaching deadline, since nothing seems to be sticking out to me that screams of a scum tell.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 28, 2012 21:57:49 GMT -4
I can rub the right way for 15 american dollars. What can i say, I'm cheap
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Post by Level-Two on May 28, 2012 22:30:46 GMT -4
I can rub the right way for 15 american dollars. What can i say, I'm cheap Is this your first mafia game? Just wondering. |
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 28, 2012 22:35:19 GMT -4
First one on a forum, I've done one before in college, but was quickly eliminated because I was drunk and the people there were straightedge. I called prejudice and flipped them off.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 28, 2012 23:08:36 GMT -4
A lot of what CJ said, I would have to agree with. What rubs me the wrong way is, I come out about my role, and then two or three others follow within 24 hours with the same response. However, like I said, I believe Jules to be a crafty young man... And I can see him trying to make his game different by having no power roles (or something of the sorts). However, TJ has rubbed me the wrong way, just like everyone else. but I'm going to cut him some slack for now, since this is his first APW mafia game. I would however like to ask Mr. TJ a question... Have you paid any attention to the previous APW mafia games? Researched them in any way, beforehand?
Only reason I ask, is to help you. Checking in and jumping on a suspicious comment all in the same post, looks VERY scummy to all of us. I know you're new to this, but that's just APW. We all loathe the first three days and nights, because we have nothing to go on. Don't "lay low" by any means, that looks hella-scummy in itself. Stay active, just don't incriminate yourself. Watch what you say... Because we're always ones to jump on someone for the smallest incrimination. Town or not, this is just my way of helping you, and keeping you interested/keep you having fun with the game. I've been knocked out of SEVERAL mafia games for saying dumb things, and knocked out early. It's no fun getting excited about a mafia game, only to get yourself killed in the first couple of days. Just trying to help, newbie lol.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 28, 2012 23:20:23 GMT -4
Not really no. The concept on a forum is confusing with all the powers and such so I tried to read the spaceballs one since 1, i love that movie, and 2, its the most recent one, but I got so lost in all the talking so I decided the best way to understand is to just do it.
and yea i realized AFTER i posted it that I came off as scummy. I'm just tryna be active.
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Post by Calvin Ingram on May 28, 2012 23:35:51 GMT -4
By The Way has Phil Atken showed up yet?
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 28, 2012 23:40:56 GMT -4
By The Way has Phil Atken showed up yet? He showed up day one fr a quick checking in post and then disappeared. I think as far as inactive people go, he and Envi are the two that I am most interested to keep an eye on/hear from. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 28, 2012 23:57:41 GMT -4
Now CJ... You know damn well that both of them are going to come checking in as soon as they read that, just to save their own asses lol. (TJ, this is another prime example as to why we hate the first couple of days.)
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 29, 2012 0:13:36 GMT -4
Lol, they usually do. It's just like when people ask if anyone has any information from night actions and people start coming out of the woodwork to talk about their lack of roles...
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 29, 2012 0:29:44 GMT -4
Lol, they usually do. It's just like when people ask if anyone has any information from night actions and people start coming out of the woodwork to talk about their lack of roles... Ouch, kind of sounds like a slam at me... Which I'll accept. Maybe my timing wasn't too great with informing the town that I'm useless, but that's up to you to decide. I've went back through and re-read everything. I found one particular comment intriguing enough to re-comment on... This is standard banter from Jeff in Mafia games. Go back and look over his previous games and they are all fairly similar after the first few night actions. True, and each game I was telling the truth Jeff, it's well-known that you've never had a mafia spot. Everyone automatically assumes that it's going to happen eventually, even though it never does. But my question is... Do you really expect me to buy into that? Not saying you are, but if you were mafia, wouldn't you lie anyhow? Using previous games as a launching pad for innocence seems a little scummy to me. Again, not saying you are. It just seems as if you're stating the obvious, without realizing that you're in a completely new game. Something akin to "hiding something in plain sight", you know? In the words of your picbase... "I'm not saying... I'm just saying...". |
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Post by C.J. Gates on May 29, 2012 0:47:51 GMT -4
Lol, they usually do. It's just like when people ask if anyone has any information from night actions and people start coming out of the woodwork to talk about their lack of roles... Ouch, kind of sounds like a slam at me... Which I'll accept. Maybe my timing wasn't too great with informing the town that I'm useless, but that's up to you to decide. It was more so a general comment. It always ends up happening where someone will be told that they are being quiet and they pipe up, or if they're asked for information or what they did, they say that they don't have a roll. It happens often enough that it has me believing that everyone who has claimed to have a pointless/dud role isn't exactly being 100% honest. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 29, 2012 0:55:34 GMT -4
And I agree with you 120%. I find it funny how others came after me and said the exact same thing. Either Jules has truly made this a "no big power" game, or someone is stirring the pot. Either way, we're kind of screwed right now. I don't want to go voting people, and lynch someone we might need down the road. I'm hoping that Jeff has a good response for me, and I'm hoping that the next night phase can shed some light on the "dark areas" for us. But as for right now, we're just pissing in the wind, and possibly harping about nothing.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 29, 2012 1:09:51 GMT -4
as long as I'm not wearing nice pants, pissing in the wind is alright with me
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Post by Michael Callahan on May 29, 2012 2:16:54 GMT -4
Jeff, it's well-known that you've never had a mafia spot. Everyone automatically assumes that it's going to happen eventually, even though it never does. But my question is... Do you really expect me to buy into that? Not saying you are, but if you were mafia, wouldn't you lie anyhow? Using previous games as a launching pad for innocence seems a little scummy to me. Again, not saying you are. It just seems as if you're stating the obvious, without realizing that you're in a completely new game. Something akin to "hiding something in plain sight", you know? In the words of your picbase... "I'm not saying... I'm just saying...". ^ Not true. I think Jeff had his first Mafia role as Agent 47 in Hitman: Mafia that I ran a few months back. |
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Post by Michael Callahan on May 29, 2012 2:18:16 GMT -4
EBWOP: Ah shit burgers. I'm sorry, I edited my post because the quote tags messed up. My mistake.
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Post by Jules on May 29, 2012 4:46:56 GMT -4
6. Under no circumstances are you allowed to edit your posts. I will be strict on this matter: do it once and you will lose your day and/or and night powers for a full day/night cycle (it's role dependent, and I will decide the penalty on a case by case basis). Do it a second time and you lose all powers for the rest of the game. If you're stupid enough to do it three times you will be modkilled. If you need to amend something post again with the abbreviation EBWOP (Edit By Way Of Post) as the title in the body of the message. I hate to sound like a pendantic little dictator, but the rules are the rules. The preview button is there for a reason. |
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Post by Jules on May 29, 2012 5:04:59 GMT -4
Art Mullen: Hell of a shot. Did you consider what might have happened if you missed? Tim Gutterson: I can't carry a tune, I don't know how to shoot a basketball, and my handwriting is barely legible, but I don't miss. DAY 2 VOTE COUNTNo votes. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. DAY 2 DEADLINE REMINDERGMT - 23.59 Wednesday 30th May 2012 EST - 18.59 Wednesday 30th May 2012 Approximately 38 hours.
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Post by President Jeff on May 29, 2012 5:44:54 GMT -4
Jeff, it's well-known that you've never had a mafia spot. Everyone automatically assumes that it's going to happen eventually, even though it never does. But my question is... Do you really expect me to buy into that? Not saying you are, but if you were mafia, wouldn't you lie anyhow? Using previous games as a launching pad for innocence seems a little scummy to me. Again, not saying you are. It just seems as if you're stating the obvious, without realizing that you're in a completely new game. Something akin to "hiding something in plain sight", you know? In the words of your picbase... "I'm not saying... I'm just saying...". ^ Not true. I think Jeff had his first Mafia role as Agent 47 in Hitman: Mafia that I ran a few months back. I've been Mafia twice in this game I think And Chaz, I dunno what you want me to tell ya. All I said is that I have a useless role. I didn't say it cause you said it, I said it cause its the truth. If people don't believe me, Investigate me tonight, but everyone will be wasting their roles. Level One also said he had a useless role and you didn't jump on him. |
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Post by Phil Atken on May 29, 2012 6:29:07 GMT -4
I HAVE THE BEST ROLE EVER. OH MY GOD DO I LOVE MY ROLE.
Seriously though, at a certain point, everyone coming in to blurt out how useless their role is becomes more like an "I'm Spartacus" thing, really at the point where you have so many people coming in to share how much they don't care about their role, it's an easy thing for the mafia to do to blend in with.
L-1 would usually have a point that people who come out and announce that their role is useless turn out to be town but honestly, when you have quite a line of people ready to declare it this early like some kind of bizarre domino effect. At this point I'm sure there's a scum in the mix there because it just seems like such an easy thing to blend into, especially with L-1 making the argument he has.
Also Caine, it's a good idea to post content yourself before you try and make a "why's he not here post"
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