JUSTIFIED MAFIA - Day 7 (5 alive)

[Michael Callahan]

May 29, 2012 4:46:56 GMT -4 Jules said:

May 24, 2012 19:50:47 GMT -4 Jules said:

6. Under no circumstances are you allowed to edit your posts. I will be strict on this matter: do it once and you will lose all day and night powers for a full day/night cycle. Do it a second time and you will be mod-killed. If you need to amend something post again with the abbreviation EBWOP (Edit By Way Of Post) as the title in the body of the message.

I hate to sound like a pendantic little dictator, but the rules are the rules.

The preview button is there for a reason.

I understand. That's the last time I make a Mafia post at 7.30AM when I've just woken up.

[Michael Callahan]

May 29, 2012 5:44:54 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

May 29, 2012 2:16:54 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

^ Not true. I think Jeff had his first Mafia role as Agent 47 in Hitman: Mafia that I ran a few months back.

I've been Mafia twice in this game I think

And Chaz, I dunno what you want me to tell ya. All I said is that I have a useless role. I didn't say it cause you said it, I said it cause its the truth. If people don't believe me, Investigate me tonight, but everyone will be wasting their roles. Level One also said he had a useless role and you didn't jump on him.

And I've been Mafia in the last two games I've played. It's coincidence. Plain and simple. The day we allow reputations of previous games to cloud our judgments on the here and now rather than looking at legitimate reasons to believe someone is harming the town is the day the town start throwing games away or scum get instantly lynched because it's the usual characters (me, L1, Farq, Knuckles etc.)

[T-Marv]

Is all this arguing and fighting about useless roles really worth all the time that it's taking up?

All I said about them is that there is a difference between a useless role and a role that gives you direct information at night and let's not confuse those.

But the people going on and on about the roles and the constant bickering....it feels like a stall tactic to me. Not that there's any information to get a lynch on as it is, but it seems like we're stalling any discussion what so ever.

The key here is NOT to needlessly lynch a townie and put us in the hole any deeper than we already are. With 13 players it stands at 9/4 assuming there is only 4 scum and no 3rd party. One mis lynch and we're in a pretty big whole. Two mis lynches and the game is over.

What we need to start looking at... start asking ourselves is why did Goodburn Die? The easy answer is that scum are geniuses and picked off a newbie that they knew nobody would protect. But why Goodburn? They could have just as easily picked TJ or Envi.... or for that matter picked an experienced player that has a tendency of not getting night one protection. Goodburn must have said or done something that set the scum off. Either that or it's PURELY because he was the most active newb and as we all know, scum hate active players.

Also... I don't blame any power roles for not coming forward with information...it is way too early to paint a target on your back.

[Michael Callahan]

May 29, 2012 8:23:37 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Is all this arguing and fighting about useless roles really worth all the time that it's taking up?

All I said about them is that there is a difference between a useless role and a role that gives you direct information at night and let's not confuse those.

But the people going on and on about the roles and the constant bickering....it feels like a stall tactic to me. Not that there's any information to get a lynch on as it is, but it seems like we're stalling any discussion what so ever.

The key here is NOT to needlessly lynch a townie and put us in the hole any deeper than we already are. With 13 players it stands at 9/4 assuming there is only 4 scum and no 3rd party. One mis lynch and we're in a pretty big whole. Two mis lynches and the game is over.

What we need to start looking at... start asking ourselves is why did Goodburn Die? The easy answer is that scum are geniuses and picked off a newbie that they knew nobody would protect. But why Goodburn? They could have just as easily picked TJ or Envi.... or for that matter picked an experienced player that has a tendency of not getting night one protection. Goodburn must have said or done something that set the scum off. Either that or it's PURELY because he was the most active newb and as we all know, scum hate active players.

Also... I don't blame any power roles for not coming forward with information...it is way too early to paint a target on your back.

Because even though I've been following this thread I honestly had no idea who Goodburn was when his name came up on the kill list. Admittedly it was like 7AM when I was looking but I was scratching my head for quite sometime going "Who the heck is Goodburn?" and then like ten minutes later I wa s like "OHHHH. Goodburn. That guy."

[C.J. Gates]

There's no telling why Goodburn died. You pretty much listed all the reasons why he could have been offed. I'm of the belief that Goodburn was killed because the mafia didn't want to go with a experienced player yet, where as Goodburn could be killed and not many would bat an eye at it. Kind of a "we don't really have a good target let's just kill someone random who won't raise too many flags".

It might (and I know a lot of you won't like it) be beneficial to not lynch anyone this day. We have no information, so a lynch would be purely on what we see people doing, which has a better chance at leading to a mis-lynch (unless someones spidey-sense is tingling).

[T-Marv]

I'm not the biggest No-Lynch fan in the world, but I'm finding it hard to dissagree with CJ here.

Although, instead of just jumping to a no lynch vote, I'd say we see how the day pans out incase somebody slips up or gives us something to use.

[C.J. Gates]

Oh, by all means. I meant it more in the case of us not finding a good lynch, it might be best to go no lynch as opposed to just picking someone out and trying to get a lynch for the sake of a lynch.

[Michael Callahan]

No Lynch seems good to me. Not that I have much of a say in that as I've lost my vote but still.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Why are we even talking about a no lynch? It's like I said last night... Right now, we're just pissing in the wind. A lynch shouldn't even be talked about right now. More-so considering there are no votes out there right now. Although, I've got to say... I find it eerie that even the mafia isn't trying to put some heat on the quiet townees.

[Michael Callahan]

May 29, 2012 13:05:07 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Why are we even talking about a no lynch? It's like I said last night... Right now, we're just pissing in the wind. A lynch shouldn't even be talked about right now. More-so considering there are no votes out there right now. Although, I've got to say... I find it eerie that even the mafia isn't trying to put some heat on the quiet townees.

Can we please stop using the saying pissing in the wind? I have a bone to pick with anyone who uses clichés without mercy. To be balls deep in these kind of cheesy sayings just really rubs me the wrong way.

[Johnny Rebel]

May 29, 2012 13:05:07 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Why are we even talking about a no lynch? It's like I said last night... Right now, we're just pissing in the wind. A lynch shouldn't even be talked about right now. More-so considering there are no votes out there right now. Although, I've got to say... I find it eerie that even the mafia isn't trying to put some heat on the quiet townees.

Perhaps the bolded part is your effort to get them talking?

[Nathaniel Havok]

Now you're just being picky. Maybe boldening what I said is your way of getting people to lynch me... Everybody can play that game, I was just stating an opinion. And besides... Don't you think something like that would be brought up in QT, if I were mafia? Give me more credit that that, Rebel... I'm not a complete idiot.

[Nathaniel Havok]

EBWOP

Rebel, your comment really "errks" me. You know better than anybody that mafia has a QT for comments like that to be made in. That's the entire purpose of the QT! I'm really starting to wonder if I wasn't right... Maybe you DO know that, and are just saying that so the town will agree and lynch a townee. I see what you did there, you clever little pro, you.

See, anybody can make anybody look like a bad guy.

Vote: Johnny Rebel

Might be a bit untimely, but that comment really got my mind thinking way too much.

[T-Marv]

Chaz... I think you took REbel's comment WAY the wrong way.

I don't think he was saying that you were trying to communicate with the mafia...I think his comment was way more innocent than that and you are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

You are jumpy and over defensive at a seemingly innocent comment that you took WAY the wrong way IMO

[Jules]

Raylan Givens: I can only imagine how hard it has been for you to get where you are in the Marshal service
Rachel Brooks: Because I'm black or because I'm a woman?
Raylan Givens: Because you're an idiot.

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DAY 2 VOTE COUNT

1 - Rebel (Chaz)


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


DAY 2 DEADLINE REMINDER

GMT - 23.59 Wednesday 30th May 2012
EST - 18.59 Wednesday 30th May 2012

[Michael Callahan]

May 29, 2012 17:12:17 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Chaz... I think you took REbel's comment WAY the wrong way.

I don't think he was saying that you were trying to communicate with the mafia...I think his comment was way more innocent than that and you are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

You are jumpy and over defensive at a seemingly innocent comment that you took WAY the wrong way IMO

It's not just with Rebel either.

The moment I made a perfectly justifiable comment about how having limited power roles in an APW mafia is something of a commodity, he immediately took the defensive stance that I was being crafty.

When TJ backed me up in that assertion apparently that made him scum too even though any player worth half his salt would easily be able to draw up an obvious connection like that.

Then of course there's this little pearl;

May 29, 2012 13:05:07 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Why are we even talking about a no lynch? It's like I said last night... Right now, we're just pissing in the wind. A lynch shouldn't even be talked about right now.

Apparently four hours and a perfectly innocent and defensible statement from J-Reb is enough to make a complete u-turn on this afforementioned statement.

Chaz, as a TRI member I love you like a brother but in this game your play so far has been made of stupid.

Even if I had the capacity to vote right now I wouldn't because I'm not confident enough that you're not doing what I did when I started playing this game and being a John Wayne style, overzealous town player wanting to catch the bad guy and be involved but your play so far has stunk of the ol' red team and I can't say I'd blame anyone for laying the vote down on you.

As a general piece of advice whether you're scum or town, assess your accusations and stop being so gung-ho on the offensive. If you're town you're going to draw attention away from the real culprits and get yourself lynched leading to us wasting a day and leading to another less retardery-afflicted town player dying while if you're scum you're gonna' knock your team a man down and make it even harder for them to win.

So please, change your pitch up. Otherwise you'll end up getting lynched by people like T-Marv (he did this to me in LA Noire Mafia) for quite literally being "useless" to the town (his words, though admittedly I WAS the Mafia in that game so it's fair cop).

[Johnny Rebel]

May 29, 2012 16:52:38 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Now you're just being picky. Maybe boldening what I said is your way of getting people to lynch me... Everybody can play that game, I was just stating an opinion. And besides... Don't you think something like that would be brought up in QT, if I were mafia? Give me more credit that that, Rebel... I'm not a complete idiot.

I don't think I prodded anyone in trying to vote for you. I simply highlighted a portion of your comment that seemed fishy to me. I don't remember calling your scum or motivating people to come after you.

Believe me, I'm in no position to call anybody out on their game play. I have had my fair share of moments that I wish I could take back! I'm not dumb enough to accuse you of commenting about something that should have been said in a QT.

However, your response seems awful fishy to me. For such a simple comment, you had an over-the-top response. I'm not ready to vote yet but out of anything that has happened in the game so far -- that was as close to a scum tell as we have had.

[Nathaniel Havok]

I just don't see how it was a "harmless statement". It's blatantly targeting me, hinting that I'm trying to "release the dogs". How am I misunderstanding it? Furthermore, how in the hell can I take it out of context? Lol

[Nathaniel Havok]

EBWOP

AW SHIT, you're right! My bad, Johnny. I COMPLETELY didn't see what you were saying. Wow. Seriously, I should be lynched for stupidity.

[C.J. Gates]

May 29, 2012 11:19:14 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

No Lynch seems good to me. Not that I have much of a say in that as I've lost my vote but still.

Lost your vote? Is this the first we're hearing of it or did I miss it in earlier posts? At least we know that there is some form of vote stealing going on (or Callahan is just voteless).

And Chaz, your comment is a bit of a contradiction...And I'm not talking about what happened between you and Rebel.

May 29, 2012 13:05:07 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Why are we even talking about a no lynch? It's like I said last night... Right now, we're just pissing in the wind. A lynch shouldn't even be talked about right now. More-so considering there are no votes out there right now. Although, I've got to say... I find it eerie that even the mafia isn't trying to put some heat on the quiet townees.

I understand that you're trying to say that we've got nothing to go on and aren't really doing anything more than talking back and forth...You bring about the comment that "a lynch shouldn't even be talked about" after saying that a no-lynch - which isn't a lynch - shouldn't be talked about.

When I brought it up, I was merely saying that at the rate we're going this day phase and since, as has been mentioned, most of the power roles would have had to get completely lucky to find something out there night one (and even in a powerless as some people are throwing around game, there would still be enough power roles to give the town a chance against a 4 person mafia).

I do agree with Rebel that your response/reaction to what Rebel bolded was a bit over the top, dare I go as far to say it was highly defensive. I'm also curious as to why, after admitting you misread/misunderstood what Rebel was throwing down, you still have a vote on him....

I don't think it's enough to vote for you right now, but you've crept up my list of suspicious people.

[Michael Callahan]

May 29, 2012 18:26:16 GMT -4 C.J. Gates said:

May 29, 2012 11:19:14 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

No Lynch seems good to me. Not that I have much of a say in that as I've lost my vote but still.

Lost your vote? Is this the first we're hearing of it or did I miss it in earlier posts? At least we know that there is some form of vote stealing going on (or Callahan is just voteless).

No, no vote stealing at least not as far as I'm aware. I've lost my vote for the day because I was stupid and edited a post to fix a coding error so as punishment I've lost my ability to vote. Hence why I'm voteless. I'll be back and up to full capacity tomorrow.

[C.J. Gates]

Ah, right, I did catch that you got caught editing.

Nevermind then, carry on everyone!

[Nathaniel Havok]

Unvote: Johnny Rebel

Forgot to do that earlier.

And to be honest... I misunderstood Johnny completely, because I saw it as a statement and not a question. Once again, my bad. I should indeed be outed for my idiocies lol.

[Kurt]

Gonna hit on a few posts from the last 24 hours...because a few issues need to be addressed.

May 28, 2012 17:06:03 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Off handily, I can't imagine any scum member actually coming out day one saying they have a shit town aligned role for cover when they are not even under any suspicion at all.

A miller would have every reason to do that. Make an odd move, get investigated on Night 2, come up as town, which therein gives you credibility and allows people to believe your role isn't useful. From a Mafia perspective, it's better to be cleared than to be unknown.

May 29, 2012 13:05:07 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

Why are we even talking about a no lynch? It's like I said last night... Right now, we're just pissing in the wind. A lynch shouldn't even be talked about right now. More-so considering there are no votes out there right now. Although, I've got to say... I find it eerie that even the mafia isn't trying to put some heat on the quiet townees.

I'm assuming you mean "we shouldn't even be talking about a lynch," because if not, you're attempting to make contradictory points here. I agree with the point that we don't have much to go on, but if the general consensus is that we're playing a relatively light game power-wise, we need to accept that this game needs to be played on primarily gameplay; meaning observations are necessary. Also, just because there were not votes at this time does not mean a lynch shouldn't be discussed. We *should* be discussing lynches, because if not we have to start from scratch on Day 3. I'm willing to postpone a vote today, but if we fail to even seriously discuss the idea of lynching, we might as well end the day now and stop wasting time. Right now, I'm viewing you as a paranoid town member trying to lead the town; but you've gotta chill before you dig yourself deep.

May 29, 2012 18:44:58 GMT -4 Michael Callahan said:

No, no vote stealing at least not as far as I'm aware. I've lost my vote for the day because I was stupid and edited a post to fix a coding error so as punishment I've lost my ability to vote. Hence why I'm voteless. I'll be back and up to full capacity tomorrow.

I think you helped and hurt yourself here. You have to believe that if you had a night role, Jules would suspend that instead of taking away your vote. Leads me to believe you have a day role (thus, can't be the GF), or you just have hid the clause that your night role is gone too. I can think of a few scenarios in which that would hurt you, but we'll see how that goes.

We've got less than 24 hours left, but it does indeed look like we're gearing up for a no-lynch. I'm worried about activity, but not because scum could be simply not posting; but because we could see numerous mod-kills if town members fall out of attention completely. Mafia Members can nag each other in the QT, but the only way for town people to alert one another is through pubic posts. Perhaps we'll see at the end of Day 2 how lenient Jules is on people's lack of posting.

As far as who's on my radar...Envi still is just because he survived Day 1 without being modkilled, and has only had a check-in post so far. Chaz has been a little erratic, but I'm more willing to believe he's just playing the word vomit game in an attempt to lead the town. I'm also looking through posts to see who's avoiding stepping on toes/just chugging along with the flow, because they're the people that need to be better observed.

I think that covered everything I wanted to say, ha.

[Nathaniel Havok]

To clerify what I meant by that... I meant "why are we even talking about a lynch? We have NOTHING to go on". I just don't see any reason in lynching for the sake of lynching.

As far as my activity is concerned... I decided from the start that I wasn't going to sit back and let my role ruin my game. I was going to stay active, and try to help as much as possible. Me misunderstanding Johnny wasn't helping at all, but I have expressed my sincere apologies for my stupidity. Therefore, I'm going to forget all about it. I get what he was trying to say now.

[Jules]

Dewey Crowe: You know Boyd...for a guy who supposedly changed, you sound an awful lot like you always did.

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DAY 2 VOTE COUNT

No votes


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


DAY 2 DEADLINE REMINDER

GMT - 23.59 Wednesday 30th May 2012
EST - 18.59 Wednesday 30th May 2012

[Evan De Parker]

I sincerely apologize, everyone, for my lack of consistent participation. I didn't expect hours at work to be this rough, and I'm hoping that today is the last day of this madness..

[Jules]

End of Day 2 - NO LYNCH

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Inside the Lexington Court House the Lexington U.S. Marshal’ s Task Force is in disarray following the murder of AUSA David Vasquez.

Art Mullen: Now you’re sure you didn’t get an ID on the shooter.

Raylan: It’s kind a difficult when someone is shooting at you; IDing the guy isn’t your first instinct.

Art: What do you remember?

Raylan: I heard the brake to a halt, someone called my name, next thing I know someone’s shooting, I fire back and then I see Vasquez in a pool of blood.

Not wanting to miss a beat on the gossip, Judge Mike Reardon, who operates out of the courthouse, is in the office.

Judge Reardon: Sounds like some crazy shitkicker looking for revenge.

Art: Well, when it comes to Deputy Marshall Givens that doesn’t exactly narrow it down.

Art ponders things over, then issues instructions to other members of his team, including Deputy Marshals Tim Gutterson and Rachel Brooks.

Art: We need to get on to this matter fast, let’s see if we can nail this one before the feds get here. Rachel I want you to look into this one; Tim, you go along for protection.

Raylan: What about me?

Art: What about you?

Raylan: Well if someone is trying to kill me, I can’t just sit in the office the whole time.

Art: If someone is looking to shoot you, my orders are for you stay the Hell away from me.

They exchange a wry glance.

Art: Who is the contact you have down in Harlan?

Raylan: Trooper Tom Bergen.

Art: Okay, you start by getting on the phone, see if he can spare some manpower.

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DAY 2 FINAL VOTE COUNT

No votes.

It is now night-time, so absolutely no talking!

I may need to start day 3 about an hour early tomorrow night so it's 23 hours to send in night actions.

NIGHT 2 DEADLINE

Thursday 31st May - 16.00 (4 PM) EST

[Jules]

It’s been a typical day at the office for Judge Mike Reardon – hammering down a number of petty criminals, taking a few death threats (although the phone calls were a new and welcome addition, he liked nothing better than to holler at these morons how pathetic they are) – and he made his way to his car with an air of satisfaction, knowing that once again justice had been served.

Judge Reardon put his key in the ignition and turned it.

BOOM!

Afterwards Judge Reardon could only be identified by what was left of him – his teeth.

DEAD NIGHT 2

JamesV – Judge Mike Reardon – Town Roleblocker/Compulsory Voter

[Jules]

DEAD LIST
1. Helen Givens (Innocent victim)
2. Goodburn – AUSA David Vasquez – Town Lie Detector
3. JamesV - Judge Mike Reardon - Town Roleblocker/Compulsory Voter

PLAYERS ALIVE
1. Kurt
2. President Jeff
3. Tmarv
4. Callahan
5. Level-One
6. Chaz
7. Evan Envi
8. C.J. Gates
9. The Soul
10. Donovan Caine
11. Phil Atken
12. Johnny Rebel

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 3 has now begun. You can talk again.


DAY 3 DEADLINE

GMT – Sunday 3rd June 2012 – 9.59 PM
EST – Sunday 3rd June 2012 – 4.59 PM