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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 31, 2012 17:25:17 GMT -4
Another quiet person gone. Someone with experience elaborate what that could means. I was looking in the night results and got nothing.
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 17:45:29 GMT -4
That means the Scum are doing their best to not draw attention to themselves. Which could mean that somebody that has already been suspected of being scum is trying to lay low and not go after somebody int he thick of discussion.
Also, James V is a good player...normally. I was starting to peg him as scum for his quiet play on day 2...but guess that's out the window.
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Post by Level-Two on May 31, 2012 19:19:34 GMT -4
Well, there goes our Role blocker. Here's hoping someone's got some info to share today because without it we are quickly going nowhere fast.
Beyond the game I'm interested in hearing how JamesV compulsory vote worked. I never seen that before which may be a sign of some other things to come.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 20:58:44 GMT -4
God dammit (sorry, Rebel), scum is on their game. I'm going to come out about something... Before mafia gets a chance to pin it on me.
I do have a power, and I did visit James last night. I was curious as to why he was so quiet, and looked into what I could (not trying to roleclaim, so I can't tell you what I saw). I'm guessing someone in mafia can see what you're doing, and who you are... Why else would they kill James, the same night I visited him? We see this in games often, and to be honest, I already know this is going to get me lynched. I've lied to all the town about my role, and now mafia is onto who I am, and what I'm doing. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but still, wanted to come out to the town about it. I did lie, and I do ha a role, and I did visit James last night.
This is the way I see it…
I claim to be useless, yet still stay active. This leads the mafia to direct their attention to me, and find a way to get me out of the game (lesson learned. Next time, just STFU, Nate!). They obviously know who I am now, so I’ll probably end up dead soon. Therefore, I’m coming out to the town, so they know what I did, before mafia can talk you all into lynching me.
Do with this info what you must. But trust me, mafia must have some “baller-ass” powers!
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 31, 2012 21:48:02 GMT -4
As the name of the game is suspension, I don't think you're tell the truth, at least 100%. What part you're lying about I'm not sure, but I'm not gonna believe everything you've said
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 22:13:14 GMT -4
I'm pretty much saying "I visited the dead guy the night he died". Long story, short. Do with it what you will, the rest was just opinion about why and/or how the mafia could have done it.
If I get lynched, I get lynched. I'm just being up-front and honest before someone calls me out.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 31, 2012 22:21:27 GMT -4
But no one would have called you out because no one would have known without you letting us know.
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 22:23:01 GMT -4
IDK.... You've claimed you have a role and you visited James.
I don't believe you 100% either. I'm not saying I think you're scum...but I think you're lying somewhere. Obviously you've already lied to the town....so it's possible.
But I'm not going to lead the lynch on you tbh cause I don't think you're scum...just playing a very dangerous game.
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 22:24:20 GMT -4
And What do you mean "WHY ELSE" would they kill James the same night you visited him? How would they know you'd visit him before they made the kill unless Jules is playing with some fucked up rules here. That line is EXTREMELY suspicious.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 22:48:40 GMT -4
That's what I'm saying. I think mafia is trying to make me look like scum. People were already considering me before because of the way I was so jumpy. Why not lead them a little more to the water, and let them drink? You know?
I think someone in the mafia gets to see what someone's doing every night. They saw who I visited, and decided to whack them, plain and simple. Thus, towns suspicions of me are heightened, and it's an easy lynch for them. Boom, another townee gone.
As far as me not being 100% honest, I'll say it one more time... I visited him, I have a power, I lied. Now, what part about this is not to believe? I came out to the town, and I'm being honest. Why would I lie about having a power now, or visiting James? Lol. Obviously, if I didn't have a power, I wouldn't be visiting, you know? Therefore, nullifying both "lies" due to no power. Got me?
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 22:50:06 GMT -4
EBWOP
TJ, people have powers which let them spy on others, to see if they're mafia, what they're doing, and such. Someone that's town could have eaily watched me last night, saw that I visited James, and led the other town to lynch me. That's the name of the game. So I came out, before ANYONE could call me out, town or mafia. Get it now?
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 23:14:02 GMT -4
That's what I'm saying. I think mafia is trying to make me look like scum. People were already considering me before because of the way I was so jumpy. Why not lead them a little more to the water, and let them drink? You know? I think someone in the mafia gets to see what someone's doing every night. They saw who I visited, and decided to whack them, plain and simple. Thus, towns suspicions of me are heightened, and it's an easy lynch for them. Boom, another townee gone. As far as me not being 100% honest, I'll say it one more time... I visited him, I have a power, I lied. Now, what part about this is not to believe? I came out to the town, and I'm being honest. Why would I lie about having a power now, or visiting James? Lol. Obviously, if I didn't have a power, I wouldn't be visiting, you know? Therefore, nullifying both "lies" due to no power. Got me? That's not how night actions work....At least not any game I've EVER been in. Mafia submits thier night actions all at the same time, just like the town. Then they're given results all at the same time. It's not "Person A spys on Person B" "Person B visited PErson C" "We Kill Person C" Unless Jules is playing fucked up rules...it doesn't work like that so your theory is either wrong or it's one big lie. |
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Post by Level-Two on May 31, 2012 23:19:28 GMT -4
Something is off here.
I haven't had time to actually digest this but assuming Chaz is scum (which we don't know) one of his scum mates had a role which informed him he'd been caught and is thus getting the jump on it before anyone can come out and point the finger.
This is more likely to be the case then the scenario Chaz has put forth.
There is NO role even POSSIBLE that supports Chaz's position/conspiracy theory. There is no role that the scum could have that would allow them to know who he had visited - on the same exact night they made the kill.
Also - lying about your role no apparent reason isn't a good look for you. Not to mention, you proceeding to point the finger at others who had done so after you when YOU were the one lying makes it even worse.
You've being acting odd - just by playing as aggressive as you have. I was giving you a pass because I thought this was because you didn't have a role and had to make up for that in other ways but that is out the window now.
At this point - I am going to wait to see if that info I expect is out there is put forth. If it's not... then I'll bite my tongue and be the first one to clear you as town.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 31, 2012 23:20:15 GMT -4
I get it, people have power to spy on people. My thing is, if a mafia person spied on you and say, "HEY I SPIED ON CHAZ AND HE VISITED JAMES RIGHT BEFORE JAMES WAS KILLED!" I would assume that person was more scum than you. No one else would have known other than you until that happened though. So why come out and say it? I really don't get it you're strategy here. As far as me not being 100% honest, I'll say it one more time... I visited him, I have a power, I lied. Now, what part about this is not to believe? I came out to the town, and I'm being honest. Why would I lie about having a power now, or visiting James? Lol. Obviously, if I didn't have a power, I wouldn't be visiting, you know? Therefore, nullifying both "lies" due to no power. Got me? Why would you lie about having a power now? I dunno, why did you lie about having a power? Because you didn't wanna be killed off? So you want to killed off now? Or are you safe from being killing off? If you were so worried about being killed off on day 2, why wouldn't you be the same for day 3 unless you know you're safe? Had you not come out and said anything, all they're would be to talk about would be James being taken out and we had nothing to really go off again but you admitted to spying on him, assuming you are telling the truth this time. So why would you admit to it? Theory A is what you said, you think they saw you so you wanna get it out before the mafia gets you because they know your power. Theory B is that you are just giving the mafia a target for the sake of the town. Theory C is that you ARE scum and thats why you are coming out because if we can't put 7 people to vote for you than you're safe for another day Either way I feel this is necessary |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 23:26:11 GMT -4
If I didn't come out and say something... Someone town could have said "I spied on him, he visited James" and boom, I'm gone. Do what you will, it's out of my hands. I'm just curious to see if the pattern follows. Hopefully not, now that I've said it. But if the next person I visit turns up dead, T-Marv, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to say I told you so when you lynch me. Lol.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 23:27:59 GMT -4
EBWOP
I've played this game all wrong, this entire game. Still trying to get used to the role I've been given. I've tampered with it before, and it didn't go too well... So I went with a different approach, and obviously bombed this one as well. ...Ahem.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 31, 2012 23:30:47 GMT -4
Wait you visited James after day 1 and he ended up dead?!
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Post by Level-Two on May 31, 2012 23:35:07 GMT -4
After thinking about this if Chaz is scum this is probably what has happened (something along these lines)
- Mafia 1# has Journalist power which let's them receive a system message from the mod each night.
- Mafia 1# uses his role on Town Member B who is a tracker
Town Member B tracks James V (or Chaz)
- Mafia 1# gets back ''You tracked James V who was visited by Chaz'' or vice versa
- Mafia #1 reports back to his QT and Chaz comes up with his cover story.
Important note is that the Townie would have still got his read – so Chaz's best move is to come clean about it before he's accused.
That is my theory. If this happened the Townie in question will come forward and we'll be able flesh this out. It's the best case scenario for today.
Mafia COULD technically use this to lynch Chaz if he's actually town but they still need to come out with their lead and claim town tracker/watcher- so if they lie about it, they're fucked either way.
Chaz, your giving up way too easy.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on May 31, 2012 23:38:03 GMT -4
Question, what do QT and EBWOP mean? EBWOP = Edit Button With Out Post(ing)? but QT dunno
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Post by Level-Two on May 31, 2012 23:39:48 GMT -4
QT = Quicktopic
You got the other one right.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 23:40:51 GMT -4
QT = Quick Topic
EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Double Post (to keep you out of trouble, since you can't edit).
And like I said, Level... I've played this game WAY wrong. It's a trial and error thing, and it's obviously way much more error with me. Lol.
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 23:42:15 GMT -4
QT - Quick topic
EBWOP - Edit by way of posting
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 23:45:05 GMT -4
Nothing like 3 people answering the same post.
Here's an interesting theory... and it's just a theory.
JamesV was missing all of day 2 and not mod killed. Yet the Mafia still killed him. Why would they do that if he was in danger of being Mod Killed?
They Wouldn't....so what gives? Why kill James? I don't believe it's just cause he was an easy target....and I don't believe Chaz either....
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Post by Kurt on May 31, 2012 23:45:49 GMT -4
Overdrive stuff (and a healthy dose of Arkham City) is out of the way, so I just got the chance to catch up on all this madness. Not really seeing a pattern here between Goodburn/JamesV kills. Goodburn was active, JamesV wasn't. However, the only link I can find is that both were unexpected targets; like Callahan mentioned before, Goodburn would be unlikely for protection night 1, and I don't even recall anyone talking about JamesV Day 2. Hell, I half-forgot he was in the game. So, people that have been under the radar (activity or gameplay wise) might need to make themselves more vocal to avoid that somewhat invisible status. I'm pretty much saying "I visited the dead guy the night he died". Long story, short. Do with it what you will, the rest was just opinion about why and/or how the mafia could have done it. If I get lynched, I get lynched. I'm just being up-front and honest before someone calls me out. I, like everyone else, have to wonder if you're pulling a reverse psychology act here. You know you got pegged, so out yourself ahead of time so no one has the ability to throw a curve-ball like with what happened at the start of Misfits and Spaceballs Mafia. Honestly dude, if you had never been such a fuss about a "useless role" on Day 2, this wouldn't be an issue. I get why you would lie...but I still don't understand why you would put that idea out there if you didn't have to lie. It's biting you in the ass now, like I said it would. Now the Mafia knows for certain you have an active power, and judging from the fact that JamesV died/our RB is dead, the list of what it could be gets narrow from here. I think there's pre-cog roles that might validate your theory, but I don't know how they work specifically (only seen them briefly on EpicMafia), and even then, that would seem like a cheap role to put in a Mafia game. Set-ups would be too easy, and I don't believe Jules did that. If you are scum, anyone that defended your "useless role" post is looking really scummy right now. I want to believe you're just playing word-vomit, but it's becoming difficult. There's a strong reason to lynch you, and definitely evidence, but a lot of us are on the fence, and with certain members being inactive, reaching 7 votes might be difficult. However, we need a lynch today. Our best move at the moment is to wait for the active town members to check in and see if L1's theory fleshes out. It sucks that so many people would need to out themselves, but being that we have nothing but Chaz's word, we need something solid right now. |
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Post by Kurt on May 31, 2012 23:48:35 GMT -4
Nothing like 3 people answering the same post. Here's an interesting theory... and it's just a theory. JamesV was missing all of day 2 and not mod killed. Yet the Mafia still killed him. Why would they do that if he was in danger of being Mod Killed? They Wouldn't....so what gives? Why kill James? I don't believe it's just cause he was an easy target....and I don't believe Chaz either.... Being that Envi was absent all of Day 1, I don't believe he was in as much danger as we'd like to believe. My guess is that Jules is being lenient on modkills because of people's absences; modkilling JamesV at the end of the day would certainly put the town in a deep hole. I think the opening of my previous post provides a suitable theory for this though. |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 23:50:14 GMT -4
Think about what you guys are saying... Why'd they kill James?
Theory... Mafia could know who we all are already. Or like I said, they could have seen James role on Night 1, and killed him Night 2 (which just happens to be at the same time I visited him aka maybe a coincidence). They might have known his role, and gotten rid of the threat. Like I said, just a theory.
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 23:50:57 GMT -4
Good point, I kinda forgot about the Envi thing.
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Post by T-Marv on May 31, 2012 23:52:48 GMT -4
Think about what you guys are saying... Why'd they kill James? Theory... Mafia could know who we all are already. Or like I said, they could have seen James role on Night 1, and killed him Night 2 (which just happens to be at the same time I visited him aka maybe a coincidence). They might have known his role, and gotten rid of the threat. Like I said, just a theory. They could know who we are already? HOW? If they're given our roles off the bat then this game is broken and I want out of it. Otherwise... they would only know ONE person's role (from night one) at the most. There is NO way mafia know who we ALL are already. Think that through! |
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 23:53:10 GMT -4
I'm starting to lean more towards coincidence. However, I was always taught that there is no such thing. So idk.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on May 31, 2012 23:54:07 GMT -4
EBWOP
I said they could have saw his role night 1, and killed him night 2 (as he is a threat to them). Again, it's just a theory.
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