Road Rash Mafia: Discussion Thread (BAR 6)

[A.C. Smith]

Jul 25, 2012 15:02:16 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

The split is 4/1: Madame x, biff, walleye, and pe1 to Lawson

I totally mean this this time

Vote:AC Smith

I'm at work for another hour so but when I get home I'll detail why I'm voting him

Before you do that, let me volunteer to answer any questions anyone may have about me in this game. I have maintained from the word, "go," that I'm town. I have played this game entirely from a pro-town standpoint. And we are very close to winning this game for the town, which would be a first since I joined APW.

I am willing to do whatever I need to do to clear my name and prevent a bad lynch. Because if you lynch me, that's what it will be.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Ok explain to me how you were role blocked night 2 when the town role blocker ,Raab was an alternative night doubler and the mafia role locker was the same person who visited Lawson on night two.

[A.C. Smith]

All I was told was that I was roleblocked. My guess is that whoever roleblocked me figured that, since Gub got taken out, I would be the next target. But that's all it is is a guess, and I won't lie and say I know more than that.

And wasn't Lawson RECRUITED on night two, not role-blocked?

[The Soul Of Philly]

I'd buy that if 1) You being the next target after Gub died would mean you'd be a potential victim and someone would ROLEBLOCK YOU and 2) If you weren't roleblocked the same night Gub died, which you "were". Either you're terrible at guessing or your finding something to grasp for solid support.

And yea, Lawson was recruited on night two, but by Eiskopf, the mafia roleblocker, on an even night. This is all going off of the write-ups which have followed some of the night actions for the most part.

And just because you lead us to CJ, who was anti-town, doesn't mean your town. If you had lead us to mafia, i'd be more incline to give you a pass, but it's third party, which means you can be scum and still seem town.

I feel Manic and Kris are town because they've told us about their characters within the rules and no one has claimed to dispute them, calling bullshit on it, in any way shape or form. If they weren't who they said they are why wouldn't anyone call them out on being who they are? No one has therefore they're telling the truth in my eyes.

From Kris and Manic's view, that leaves me, Jules, and AC, and since the split is 4/1 that gives them two chances to get the right person. Because, it's apparent, Lawson CAN kill which means a miss lynch and night kill lead the town at 2/1.

Just wait for the rest of the players to check in before voting though

[Kris]

Uh... TJ, you know exactly who I am because I died, and was resurrected by Chaz's one-shot ability. My character hasn't changed, nor has my alignment.

Before I lay my vote one way or the other, a question.

Farq, how did you come to the conclusion of AC being town? What day/night did you make this discovery/deduction/etc? I know I could read back, but I figure this is faster.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Jul 25, 2012 17:57:51 GMT -4 Kris said:

Uh... TJ, you know exactly who I am because I died, and was resurrected by Chaz's one-shot ability. My character hasn't changed, nor has my alignment.

I know. That part was more about Manic currently, but that's my thinking atm

[A.C. Smith]

Jul 25, 2012 17:33:50 GMT -4 The Soul Of Philly said:

I'd buy that if 1) You being the next target after Gub died would mean you'd be a potential victim and someone would ROLEBLOCK YOU and 2) If you weren't roleblocked the same night Gub died, which you "were". Either you're terrible at guessing or your finding something to grasp for solid support.

It could also mean that the writeup represented the recruitment with another scum character. Believe what you'd like to believe, but I'm telling the truth when I say that I was roleblocked. And if the rest of the players follow you (resulting in my lynch and flipping town), you'll see that.

Incidentally, your logic partially rests on the mafia playing a smart game. I'd like to point out the elephant in the room and say that that falls apart because the scum has played, to put it bluntly, REALLY badly.

Goodburn was mod-killed. Blade was identified by tmarv (admittedly not his fault), and then Bacon, in what's easily the foot-shooting move of the game made by an active player, took out tmarv solely out of spite, eliminating the threat to the town before he himself was lynched.

If the mafia was to win this game, it's only going to be because the town pulls the worst choke-job since Adam Scott at the British Open Sunday. I'm putting myself out there when I say that I'm town and my actions back that up, but I'm not lying when I say that and have nothing to gain by doing so.

[Kris]

Lawson has managed to lay rather low, though, not arousing too much suspicion one way or the other. Trying to downplay that is rather idiotic, I think-- as well as a little suspicious, if you think about it, since he had us thinking that the mafia was no longer able to kill for a couple of days in order to downplay the danger that the town faced. That doesn't speak of shitty play to me... quite the opposite, actually.

((And in case you can't tell, things have finally calmed down IRL.))

[[ManiC]]

Jul 25, 2012 12:16:53 GMT -4 Kris said:

2) Now that I know the mirror effect of my power... would it stand to reason that the town doctor would be able to kill on even-numbered nights with a limited number of shots he could use? Is Lawson a two-shot-only deal like mine? That would explain why he's not killed every night, if you think about it-- he'd want to save his shots.

You'd be correct.

[Kris]

Jul 25, 2012 18:58:07 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

Jul 25, 2012 12:16:53 GMT -4 Kris said:

2) Now that I know the mirror effect of my power... would it stand to reason that the town doctor would be able to kill on even-numbered nights with a limited number of shots he could use? Is Lawson a two-shot-only deal like mine? That would explain why he's not killed every night, if you think about it-- he'd want to save his shots.

You'd be correct.

...and how do you know that?

[[ManiC]]

Also; if Lawson had a limited amount of kills it somewhat neutralises the threat of the Mafia.

Anyway:
1. A.C. Smith ~ Unknown (leaning towards Town)
2. Crown Jules ~ Unknown
3. Kris ~ Town
4. Manic
5. The Soul ~ Unknown (though I'm 99% sure that they're town)

I don't really know why, but I've been somewhat suspicious of Jules through the game, from something of a gut feeling. I also think that TJ and AC have been too involved in pro-town gameplay whilst Jules has been somewhat distant in his own gameplay.

F.o.S. - Jules

[[ManiC]]

Jul 25, 2012 19:04:25 GMT -4 Kris said:

Jul 25, 2012 18:58:07 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

You'd be correct.

...and how do you know that?

Correct about the first part at least. Thought it'd be pretty obvious as to how I'd know that tbh

[Kris]

A question, then-- who did you use your power on last night? How about nights two, or four?

[[ManiC]]

Two on Gub (this is when I figured out what it did) , four I didn't, last night on Chaz (he wasn't very active and I became somewhat suspicious) though Chaz's revival made my night action pointless.

That said, I'm pretty sure we're both prime Scum targets right now.

[Kris]

Jul 25, 2012 19:06:54 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

Also; if Lawson had a limited amount of kills it somewhat neutralises the threat of the Mafia.

Not really. All the more he has to do is lay low long enough and use his second shot to take out a townie when the ratio's 2 townies to 1 scum.

Jul 25, 2012 19:10:01 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

Jul 25, 2012 19:04:25 GMT -4 Kris said:

...and how do you know that?

Correct about the first part at least. Thought it'd be pretty obvious as to how I'd know that tbh

Here's what kind of doesn't make sense. You just contradicted yourself a bit, there, since when I asked who you used your powers on...

Jul 25, 2012 19:38:58 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

Two on Gub (this is when I figured out what it did) , four I didn't, last night on Chaz (he wasn't very active and I became somewhat suspicious) though Chaz's revival made my night action pointless.

That said, I'm pretty sure we're both prime Scum targets right now.

...I got that as an answer. It's somewhat odd, but not enough for me to consider it as suspicious since you couldn't have known that I was the flipside of your set-up until I was lynched. What I'm wanting to know is if you're out of kills as well, since I didn't have an unlimited amount of kills. I only had two.

Anyway, I've got to second you finding Jules' rather... quiet gameplay to be suspicious, but I will admit that TJ's theory on A.C. has a bit more meat to it. It's a good thing that there's plenty of time to consider things, and also time for Jules to check in. Maybe he learned something last night that can further back up TJ's assertions.

[Kris]

EBWOP: A correction. Lawson would just need to lay low and wait to kill again, assuming that he has to wait for an even-numbered night.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Kris, Why are you continuing your pursuit of Manic? He's town. He didn't have any kills to use, his role is quite the opposite of killing, but not reviving, ya know? His role, on even numbers, does the killing.

I too have looked at Jules gameplay, but he's been, delayed is the best word I can think of, in talks about our match this week on Asylum, so I'm leaning to that he's just busy, but that doesn't rule him out of suspicion.

[Kris]

I'm confirming my theory about there being people that mirror one another in their roles. I'm surprised no one else noticed it. Perhaps it's something we can use?

[Kris]

Not only that, but if ManiC has more kills left... then maybe we're not screwed on Night 8 after all.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Ah, ok. I must have missed your theory earlier and didn't go back and read.

[Kris]

You likely didn't read it because I didn't say it outright until asked about it. I'm compiling a list to do comparisons, see where everything lines up.

[Kris]

Okay, so what follows is a list of all of the dead characters-- well, and one living townie who is in the list because we've figured out that he is my corresponding swap-around.

• Kris, Public Enemy No.1., 2-Shot Vigilante (Left-Hand Drive Doctor) - my mirror is ManiC, who I believe to be Biff. He's the doctor with the vigilante hits on even-numbered nights, which match up with his targets in the write-ups.
  
• CJ Gates, Natasha, Cult Vanilla (Formerly Town Bulletproof) - mirrored by Blade, Captain Sakurai, Mafia Godfather/Bulletproof
  
• Stefan Raab, Lucky Luc, Town Roleblocker (Alternate Night Town Doubler) - mirrored by Bacon, Officer Eiskopf, Mafia Roleblocker
  
• T-Marv, The Player, Cult Leader w/ X-Shot Powers - mirrored by Goodburn, Officer Smythe, X-Shot Powers
  

And the ones that don't have a match.

• Chaz Dillinger, Sergio, Town 1-Shot Ressurector for Mislynches
  
• Gubayama, Nina, Town Crowd Follower & Double-Voter (unaffected by night changes)
  
• Captain Metro, Scab Boy, Cult Vanilla (Formerly Town Hated Reserve Cop)
  
• Johnny Rebel, Ikira, Town Watcher (Voyeur Night 2), Night 1

And there's the three that are still alive that's not listed due to... well, a lack of obvious parallels: AC, TJ, and Jules.

Now, does this tell us anything? I'm not sure... but there it is, as complete a list as there can be for now.

[The Soul Of Philly]

I highly doubt there is a mirror for my role. I'm putting it out there.

[[ManiC]]

I'm a tad confused as to how I contradicted myself by saying you were correct about the first part, as I don't know about Lawson's powers/role, but whatever.

I think it may just be coincidental that mine and Kris' powers mirror more than anything else, though it's entirely possible that the mirrored role theory plays out.

[Jules]

I'd urge anyone unsure about my role to look back through the thread, it should be obvious from the language I've used when referring to my night actions what it is.

I'm close to 100% certain A.C. Smith is town because my night action night 3 concerned A.C. Smith and led me to believe that A.C. Smith is town - any doubt is due to the wording of the result.

I've already stated this before, check the thread.

Anyway, the one person who seems determined to either ignore or not acknowledge this is Soul.

We know Kris is town; my night actions lead me to believe A.C. Smith is town; Manic is possibly town; I'm town, so that leaves Soul.

If anyone here is the remaining scum, I'm leaning towards him, simply because he seems to be intent on pushing a lynch on a player who has been pretty much cleared.

vote: Soul

[A.C. Smith]

OK, this is how I'm seeing things.

- We know Kris is town.
- ManiC is pretty much cleared. I'm willing to believe he's Biff and that the list put out there a few days ago was a red herring.
- We know (or should know) that I'm town, based on Farq's night action from night three (whatever it was).

That leaves TJ and Farq as the two possibilities for Lawson. Of those two, I'm inclined to believe that TJ is more likely to be scum. He's been trying to push suspicion on me for two day phases now, even when I've been cleared. Farq has no reason to lie; if he's scum, he has no reason to protect anyone since Lawson's the lone wolf at this point, and now, if he's wrong on his vote, he's a likely town target on the next day phase.

I'm not voting yet, because I want to hear what TJ has to say. That said...

F.O.S.: TJ

[Michael Callahan]

VOTE COUNT:
A.C. Smith- 1 (TJ)
TJ- 1 (Crown Jules)

[[ManiC]]

Question: Kris do you have a kill left?

[Kris]

Jul 26, 2012 11:00:22 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

Question: Kris do you have a kill left?

No, I do not. I used my first kill on T-Marv (and was beaten to it by the mafia) and my second on Raab in the hopes of eliminating who I thought was the last remaining scum.

[Kris]

Jul 26, 2012 5:31:32 GMT -4 Jules said:

I'm close to 100% certain A.C. Smith is town because my night action night 3 concerned A.C. Smith and led me to believe that A.C. Smith is town - any doubt is due to the wording of the result.

And so the major flaw of TJ's theory comes to light. Were A.C. Lawson, then Jules' investigation would have exposed as such-- and there's no reason for anyone to cover for anyone else. That being said...

Vote: TJ