Road Rash Mafia: Discussion Thread (BAR 6)

[Jules]

Jul 8, 2012 17:20:33 GMT -4 [ManiC] said:

This left-hand drive thing intrigues me, I'm wondering if it just makes all night actions unsuccessful, or completely reverses/changes them. This could make for some potentially pain in the arse gameplay, but also fairly interesting.

As for the character count/list Smith posted, I think 3 Mafia originally seems a bit low for the game.

I don't entirely agree, it sounds plausible (and probably about right) in a 15-player game with an apparent third party that seems to have the capacity to recruit.

[[ManiC]]

Yeah I just realised how many were in the game initially, I thought Callahan wanted 18 (which was the same as the Simpsons game if I recall) so thought 3 was fairly low. My bad for not checking.

[Metrodamus]

Vote: Bacon

Still doesn't sit right with me ...

[A.C. Smith]

Jul 8, 2012 17:26:12 GMT -4 Gubayama Takagi said:

in short, you're basically saying, "it's pretty dumb / weird for you to write something that could easily be interpreted as scum" and since this is APW who runs Mafia games aaaaall the tiiiiime, veteran players would likely assume either that or "he's not trying to blend in so he mustn't be scum" or "i remember last time how gubayama played. he's an unconventional player. we thought he was scum but nope: we were wrooooooooong"

I asked you to give me a reason to believe you weren't scum. Instead, you're muddying the waters with philosophical nonsense. I ask again; give me a reason, a concrete reason, to believe your response to me calling you out isn't spin control/trying to recover from a mistake.

As I mentioned, I'm not voting yet. But until you give me a reason to believe you're not scum, I'm going to look at you skeptically. I have zero problem with people playing "unconventionally." It's an interesting spin on things. But what you're doing isn't helping the town.

In short: Give me something to go off of, and I'll gladly get off your back. But if you keep this "wild card for the sake of being a wild card" shtick up, I'm going to stay on you until you do something to help us, the town, win this game.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Ok so we have 1 3rd party person, and confirmed 3 mafia, one being dead. With 15 players, I'm thinking 4 Mafia, 10 town and that 1 third party player to start. Right now we have confirmed at 6 town, one being dead. 3 mafia, one being dead and 2 third party. which means of the 4 left spots, it's probably 3 town to 1 mafia. With that, we're at 8 to 3 to 2 with the third party possible of growing. I don't know how that works though so if anyone can explain to me if it changes your power or just your alignment.

At first, I thought this AC/Guba was just a distraction, but thinking it, I don't think that the mafia would decide to pull this stunt with the possibility of the 3rd party growing.

Anyways, nothing much to get outta the write up other than some revealing of characters.

[The Soul Of Philly]

EBWOP

I started that post before reading the write up completely, because it was just gonna be a simple guess at what the split was but then I caught Natasha joining third party.

[T-Marv]

THe third party definately throws a monkey wrench in things. I kinda like the concept of "The Player" Having an active role in the game. But it definately makes it harder on us in the town.

WTF is up with Bacon? Part of me is feeling like this is just his normal play....

and part of me is really leaning towards scum here.

[Gubayama Takagi]

Jul 8, 2012 19:15:11 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

I asked you to give me a reason to believe you weren't scum. Instead, you're muddying the waters with philosophical nonsense. I ask again; give me a reason, a concrete reason, to believe your response to me calling you out isn't spin control/trying to recover from a mistake.

philosophical? you're nonsense, cutie. what's defined as 'concrete'? The only 'concrete' answer would be me revealing my role in this game, which isn't allowed. feel free to suspect me all you want, inspector gadget. my post wasn't a mistake seeing how there's little room for error posting such a comment. it was deliberate.

in what way is this a 'spin'? i'm not trying to throw suspicion at you. i'm lightly mocking you. nobody else is bothering with our little tiff because it only comes off as a 'distraction' apparently. in which case, if you or i press on any further, you and/or I - to them, at least - should be considered distractors, and rightfully so.

[C.J. Gates]

Just checking in. Been out all day (work 8 hours and then 6 hours of baseball).

The third party thing is interesting. I wasn't sure if there would be one, but I guess the game has that possibility? Or is it a monkey wrench that Callahan threw into the game? Either way, we're not dealing with more than just a mafia...though luckily one scum got mod killed. Kind of gives us a boost in the right direction.

I should have more tomorrow night or so...have to be back at work in 8 hours and need some sleep.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Okay, this wont just be another "activity" post... I actually do have something to say.

Bacon, WTF bro? You're always playing like this... Every game, you keep me hot on your trail, thinking you're scum. You're starting to draw my attention again lol.

[jasonandrews]

Sorry about that i just hate it when people want to vote me without plausible reason for it. For some reason i been on Harts radar and he has yet to explain why.

[jasonandrews]

EBWOP

I mean im just gonna let someone vote for me without giving me a reason is all is that so wrong?

[The Soul Of Philly]

Yes on the first day it is wrong. You know it's a joke and you freak out like you just been fingered as scum.

[Blade]

On the first day it is resonable..

On the second, it is posible that they A)have something on you or b) are following through on your gut.

If it is a, they likely dont want to out themselves

[A.C. Smith]

I'm waiting to see if anyone has anything solid on Bacon before we move forward. While I'm not letting Gub entirely off the hook yet, I find it hard to believe that Bacon wasn't the target of a night action during the first race period.

[Jules]

Jul 9, 2012 16:07:59 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

I'm waiting to see if anyone has anything solid on Bacon before we move forward. While I'm not letting Gub entirely off the hook yet, I find it hard to believe that Bacon wasn't the target of a night action during the first race period.

I find this comment a bit peculiar. Could you explain why you find this so hard to believe?

[A.C. Smith]

Jul 9, 2012 17:12:40 GMT -4 Jules said:

Jul 9, 2012 16:07:59 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

I'm waiting to see if anyone has anything solid on Bacon before we move forward. While I'm not letting Gub entirely off the hook yet, I find it hard to believe that Bacon wasn't the target of a night action during the first race period.

I find this comment a bit peculiar. Could you explain why you find this so hard to believe?

Glad to. My thinking is that someone that made himself THAT visible day one by throwing out scum vibes that are that large would be an easy target for a night action, especially if we have any town cops in the game. That way, it could be cleared up right away that he's either scum or "Bacon being Bacon."

Considering the day portion's largely consisted of my and Gub's little exchanges so far, I figured we had a few townies left to go before everyone checked in. That said, that would mean that someone with valuable information may or may not have come forward yet.

Maybe I'm wrong and nobody's got any information on him, I don't know. But given what we saw day one, it'd make total sense for someone with an important night action to have used it on Bacon.

That's all I'm saying.

[Jules]

Jul 9, 2012 17:34:18 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

Jul 9, 2012 17:12:40 GMT -4 Jules said:

I find this comment a bit peculiar. Could you explain why you find this so hard to believe?

Glad to. My thinking is that someone that made himself THAT visible day one by throwing out scum vibes that are that large would be an easy target for a night action, especially if we have any town cops in the game. That way, it could be cleared up right away that he's either scum or "Bacon being Bacon."

Considering the day portion's largely consisted of my and Gub's little exchanges so far, I figured we had a few townies left to go before everyone checked in. That said, that would mean that someone with valuable information may or may not have come forward yet.

Maybe I'm wrong and nobody's got any information on him, I don't know. But given what we saw day one, it'd make total sense for someone with an important night action to have used it on Bacon.

That's all I'm saying.

Thanks for clearing that up. However, I can't but help but be suspicious of what you've said.

Firstly, did Bacon really stick out like a sore thumb anymore than he usually does? I didn't notice anything unusual, but then I wasn't paying much attention day 1, maybe I need to go back and check it out again.

Secondly, if there are cops in this game I'd suspect they were checking sanity night 1, so your digging (or fishing) in the wrong place.

There may be other investigative roles, but if they have any info on Bacon it is obviously not sufficient enough to warrant outing themselves, otherwise they would have done so by now.

This is my concern here: you had a little tiff with Gubayama earlier today, which was nothing over nothing, I don't blame you for jumping on Gubayama because he does say some idiotic things at times and tries too hard to be 'unconventional' (I call it distracting), but it strikes me you were overly aggressive in that exchange. Maybe you've never played with Gubayama before so you're not yet immune to his 'style', so I'll give you a pass on that one.

However, nobody else was interested in Gubayama, so now you're moving onto Bacon after one or two posts pointing the light at him (tbh I don't know why - but see point 1), and engaging in some not so subtle role fishing in the process.

I'd say if anyone is looking a bit suss so far, it's you.

[Jules]

EBWOP

Rebel was the watcher, so we're not getting any info from him. The point still stands though re: investigative roles.

[Metrodamus]

I'm just not a fan of Bacon's aloof play. Maybe it's because I've not played with him but it just seemed as if he figures he's in the clear way to early.

[T-Marv]

Here's what I see....

AC Smith and Gub's little "discussion" rubs me the wrong way. I'm not sure who yet, but somebody there is scum. IT just seemed a little suspicious all around. Wouldn't be surprised if AC were the 3rd party the way he's fishing. Would be REAL good to get yourself a cop or tracker recruited.

Bacon just seems to be acting like Bacon. It's definately not town friendly, but it's no different from any other game. Not saying he's town, but it's not a necessity.

[The Soul Of Philly]

I'm not a fan of Bacon's play either, to the point that I'd risk losing a townie so I don't continually have to second guess my opinion of Bacon, but I'm not going to vote for him at the moment, with a couple people still to check in with any info, I'll wait for them if they have any info. I don't feel to easy on him tho, sooooo

F.o.s: Bacon

Also we got the mafia down one person already so if the third party can't kill, we won't have to get a lynch today unless we're sure it's anti-town and if we're not sure we got a scum, I'd rather not lynch for the sake of lynching and hopefully lose only one townie rather than have a mislynch and lose two townies and possibly a third to the third party.

Thats my opinion on this whole thing.

[[ManiC]]

I doubt a cop would investigate Bacon first night in favour of finding out their sanity, but again it may just be Bacon being Bacon. The last game everyone was convinced he was scum (everyone who didn't bother to read the write-ups anyway) when he was town purely because his vibes.

[Nathaniel Havok]

Bacon, bro... Do me a favor... Stop playing so aggressive. I like you, think you're a funny dude. But you have the same problem I do, we play way too aggressive. So help me help you, and just plain help me. Stop playing so aggressive. When someone suspects me, I usually suspect them as scum right back. It's a bad habit, but I must break it.

[The Soul Of Philly]

Jul 9, 2012 20:58:50 GMT -4 Nathaniel Havok said:

When someone suspects me, I usually suspect them as scum right back. It's a bad habit, but I must break it.

Dolph Dolph Lundgren ova here. "I Must Break You"

[A.C. Smith]

Clearing up a few things: I'm still wary of Gub, and merely said I wouldn't have been shocked if someone used a powerful town role on Bacon during night one. I can say with certainty that I was not one of those people; I just figured someone else would have. If you're looking for ulterior motives, none exist.

Yes, I was the aggressor in that whole tiff earlier. Long story short, I want to be more aggressive in this game than I have in the past. I've been a live loser the last two I've played, and the vibes I've gotten from quick topics after games made me believe some thought of me as a pushover. There's no role-related change in my style, just attacking this game from a different angle to help the town win it, that's all.

And T-Marv, how exactly was I fishing? That's the second time you've tried to cast me in a certain light (you did day one as well). Trust me, I can guarantee you that I am NOT the third-party. Say what you will about the way I play Mafia, but I don't BS people, and I'm not starting now.

Incidentally, where's Gub?

[C.J. Gates]

I'll agree that the conversation was a bit odd, though it seemed like Gub being Gub the way he usually plays. Doesn't take him out of suspicion but of the two, I'd look more at Smith for that reason only (which isn't a big reason, and neither of you are getting my vote as of yet).

As for Bacon...who knows. It could just be him being his usual self, could be him knowing that people see him a certain way and he wants to play that up. I'd probably angle it more toward the former, but you never can be too sure in a game of mafia.

[Blade]

I have nothing from the night phase, but I do feel quite strongly about this

Jul 9, 2012 16:07:59 GMT -4 A.C. Smith said:

I'm waiting to see if anyone has anything solid on Bacon before we move forward. While I'm not letting Gub entirely off the hook yet, I find it hard to believe that Bacon wasn't the target of a night action during the first race period.

Dude, its like you are waiting for someone to tell you what to do.

'oh i might like this guy for it, but enough people cause a wagon, ill jump on him'

That isnt even town play, that is sitting on the fence not waiting to commit play.

Vote: AC Slater

[Kris]

Maybe it's because I know Gub, but AC? You were totally making a mountain out of a molehill. If you're gonna get all pissy at someone playing around, then you may as well go back to day one and get angry at everyone that put forth joke votes, or for anyone that was kidding around.

F.o.S - AC Slater

[jasonandrews]

Yeah sorry i am just an aggressive player and if it comes off as being scummy i apologize to the town. I am sorry for not being that active the last couple days family stuff going on but anyway i see that AC has a lot of heat on him. He does seem a bit iffy to me as well it's like he is trying to fish out who is really scum so he can probably recruit them i don't know but i am not going to vote on him just yet so

F.O.S AC Slater