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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 8:14:07 GMT -4
Level One is one of the best players here and he pseudo cleared me. I honestly have been inactive the past 2 weeks because of work and my kid's birthday.
For Jules to be cleared and it still come down to me and him. I know I'm not scum. As Pepsi said, I'm sure not going to vote for myself. I also know that I am leaving with my boss to go get a library of books to bring back to work so I'll be gone until later this afternoon, so I'd better get this started. Someone look back at the posts that people were hammering me on. I think in them we'll find some whiffs of scum.
I'd better do this before I leave.
Vote: Jules
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Post by Victor Hades on Aug 1, 2013 8:58:36 GMT -4
Jesus this game moves fast even when you sleep.
Alright so first things first.
The results-Reaver, told you so! KJE a bit of a shocker but not so much based on the twists and deflections she kept putting out.
Um, I agree with the suspects. Not sold on the Kash lynch or Jules yet.
Although he was silenced he does know how to play the game pretty damn well. So I'm gonna sit tight before laying a vote.
Jules chiming in as his name is drawn in seems...kinda fishy, but I need confirmation from Jennings or Sal first.
Gooch's inactivity up until leads me to believe he was either silenced(I'd have to read back and double check) or has played the game well and is definitely 3rd party.
Stryke on the other hand has been sporadic, and almost posting about what has already happened-given, I have to agree with his notes. here's my theory:
Town: myself, Jennings, Sal
Suspected town: Kash and Stryke
3rd party or Scum suspect: Jules or Gooch.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 9:43:55 GMT -4
Looks like I don't have to make the trip this morning  There are only 30 boxes of books and the boss forgot about my radio show, so I get to stay here and not get sweaty in the Texas heat! Sweet. Yes, Hades. I was silenced on day 2. Looks like Knuckles got us good by acting like he was silenced and then he actually started silencing people. I know I was and Jules was during the last day phase. I have my vote on Jules, but Speed's attempt to bandwagon me last time hasn't gone forgotten. That's questionable, in my mind. |
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Post by SalTal on Aug 1, 2013 9:56:34 GMT -4
@gooch - How about something like this in your QT:
Reaver: Hey, I got this brilliant idea! I'll silence us the first two days so that no one suspects that we're third party!
Gooch: Sounds like a plan!
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 9:56:58 GMT -4
EWBOP Here are some interesting quotes EWBOP UPDATE! Unvote
Vote: GoochI guess it is our best lead. Let's see what happens. This is what you call a bandwagon vote. I looked up the definition of bandwagon vote on mafiawiki and this post actually showed up! Crazy! This was never defended. Bandwagon vote if I've ever seen one. He would know how many people could get silenced. Because he is the silencer. He'a being called out. Now all of a sudden he's here to defend himself. Ignore the part where he was missing for the past two real-life days. Gooch is the silencer and he is silenced Jules. Pretty simple explanation for this schmozzle of a day. Sal is great at Mafia, but I hope she even sees that she dug a little to deep for me. Knuckles fooled us all along. All I know is that I was silenced. Sorry, that line has been used so often it holds no barring to me anymore. And if you were in fact silenced... then Kash was quiet for what reason? Kash.. you need to speak up... were you silenced at all yesterday? (Honestly even if he says no I can't say you weren't silenced because we have seen that card played before also..) Pepsi jumped on board and then KJE started gunning at me hard after I said I'd never play mafia here again if I were scum or the silencer...which I am neither. Alright... I was tempted to believe him because I know what it's like to have to deal with real-life stuff on top of trying to keep your name clean in this game, but I'm getting mixed signals right now. The "I was busy" excuse has been used a bunch. Is it legit, or tactical? It truly does appear that Gooch is trying to pity his way out of this vote-- and I'm honestly too thrown off by this silencer role. *Where* are Jules and Kash? I'm leaning toward Gooch, going against my gut. I'll be voting shortly. My "I was busy" excuse is legit. I really have been busy. You want to see my calendar  Jules is still quiet, Gooch has a reason, anyone clear Pepsi yet? If the most sense is me being scum then go for it. Progression either way because Mafia is winning right now and one more Townie lynch and we can consider ourselves fucked. Did anyone ever clear Pepsi? I did bring forth the information on you Gooch, you are correct about that, and I am all for people heading my way also. The way you were laughing when Reaver got silenced just didn't sit well with me, and I didn't pull anyones arm to get them to vote either. I said I was all for a Jules lynch, and still would have no problem with it. However, since I was the one who looked into your replies... if this is wrong, by all means, the votes can head my way tomorrow. KJE was wanting to get me lynched because she knew I was town and that the town would have a hard time getting the votes to lynch her in the next day phase, especially losing my town vote. I hope this is helpful. |
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Post by SalTal on Aug 1, 2013 10:01:25 GMT -4
KJE was wanting to get me lynched because she knew I was town and that the town would have a hard time getting the votes to lynch her in the next day phase, especially losing my town vote. I hope this is helpful. For the lulz, right? KJE has turned up scum. I'm saying you're third party. There's no way KJE knew you were third party and would naturally assume you're a townie (given she knows you're not scum), and it is therefore in her interest to throw suspicion on you and push for a Gooch lynch. And don't think I didn't notice you trying to throw suspicion on me just then. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 10:28:23 GMT -4
I absolutely was not trying to throw suspicion on you, Sal. I believe you are town. I was just showing your thought process in why, back then, people thought I was the silencer. I believe you are 100% town. It was NOT my intention at all to send any heat your way.
L-1 has come the closest to clearing me, as no one else has even checked me. I'm clean as can be. I've just had people gun for me.
A Gooch lynch will only hurt the town. I can see your point that KJE was just trying to get a lynch regardless of affiliation, but she did almost get me and that wouldn't have been good for the town.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 10:31:49 GMT -4
EWBOP
My whole reasoning for putting your quote in was to show that even though you are a great mafia player, you dug a little to deep to get me. That wasn't a slight on you by any means. You are a thorough player and the evidence was lining up that way.
I think our best bet is on Speed or Jules today. Lynching me will only put us in danger of losing to the scum. I'll be a mislynch, they'll get a kill and 3rd party will get a kill. That could end up being 3 townies down in a day and night period.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 11:53:32 GMT -4
@gooch - How about something like this in your QT: Reaver: Hey, I got this brilliant idea! I'll silence us the first two days so that no one suspects that we're third party! Gooch: Sounds like a plan! Wow, that's a stretch. I didn't see this b/c I was pulling up quotes from before. So it wasn't good enough to try to tag me with one scum/3rd party, now you're trying to tag me as another scum/3rd party? Why am I being gunned at so hard? L1 cleared me to the best of his ability. No one else has anything. There is genuine suspectedness from others. Let's focus on Speed and Jewels. A lynch on me would be VERY bad for the town. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 12:27:16 GMT -4
Lets focus on Speede and Jules? I think not.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 12:33:10 GMT -4
Ok. Here's where my head is at. I said I felt something was staring me in the face and, after some time, I started to see through it all. If Kash is town, why wasn't he hammered? Who didn't hammer? Hades, Pepsi, Gooch, Jules 1) Jules was silenced, couldn't vote, therefore couldn't hammer 2) Gooch was inactive, didn't hammer 3) Pepsi voted Hades, Hades confirmed town 4) Hades voted Gooch, Gooch suspected scum That's the order of suspicion. If we assume that 2/3 scum were on the Kash/town lynch, the third one not being able to lynch makes complete sense. So we're they inactive or silenced? So we are narrowed down to Gooch and Jules. But is that all? No! It would makes sense for the third party to also lynch Kash/the town. And we can also assume 1/2 third parties were on the vote too. Again, where's the second third party to hammer? Inactive or silenced? Simply put, the silencer wouldn't likely silence their own, and given that Jules was silenced, I get to this: Jules is scum. He was silenced by third party and couldn't take part in the Kash lynch. Gooch is third party. L1 'cleared' him because his third party role is either nothing or something that does not require a night action. The vote is simple: Jules or Gooch. This, to me, is as clear as we will get. All that accounts for my general suspicion that Pepsi and Envi are town, leaving us with the original suspicion that Stryke is scum - given the problem he has hanging over his head of his whole replacement problem. Now ... discuss. I'm leaning Pepsi, Stryke, or Envi myself. Those are three that we should be looking at as well as one of the two who were silenced. That's just my opinion on it. |
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Post by Victor Hades on Aug 1, 2013 13:17:56 GMT -4
Ok. Here's where my head is at. I said I felt something was staring me in the face and, after some time, I started to see through it all. If Kash is town, why wasn't he hammered? Who didn't hammer? Hades, Pepsi, Gooch, Jules 1) Jules was silenced, couldn't vote, therefore couldn't hammer 2) Gooch was inactive, didn't hammer 3) Pepsi voted Hades, Hades confirmed town 4) Hades voted Gooch, Gooch suspected scum That's the order of suspicion. If we assume that 2/3 scum were on the Kash/town lynch, the third one not being able to lynch makes complete sense. So we're they inactive or silenced? So we are narrowed down to Gooch and Jules. But is that all? No! It would makes sense for the third party to also lynch Kash/the town. And we can also assume 1/2 third parties were on the vote too. Again, where's the second third party to hammer? Inactive or silenced? Simply put, the silencer wouldn't likely silence their own, and given that Jules was silenced, I get to this: Jules is scum. He was silenced by third party and couldn't take part in the Kash lynch. Gooch is third party. L1 'cleared' him because his third party role is either nothing or something that does not require a night action. The vote is simple: Jules or Gooch. This, to me, is as clear as we will get. All that accounts for my general suspicion that Pepsi and Envi are town, leaving us with the original suspicion that Stryke is scum - given the problem he has hanging over his head of his whole replacement problem. Now ... discuss. I'm leaning Pepsi, Stryke, or Envi myself. Those are three that we should be looking at as well as one of the two who were silenced. That's just my opinion on it. I agree. I'm feeling Stryke or Envi. Then we can do process of elimination. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 13:32:39 GMT -4
I'm fine with either Stryke or Envi. With the way they've been butting heads in this game it's very possible that one is scum and one is third party.
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Post by Victor Hades on Aug 1, 2013 13:36:16 GMT -4
Lets get it rollin.
Question is-who gets the vote first? I'm fine with either honestly.
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 14:01:06 GMT -4
EWBOP Here are some interesting quotes EWBOP UPDATE! This is what you call a bandwagon vote. I looked up the definition of bandwagon vote on mafiawiki and this post actually showed up! Crazy! This was never defended. Bandwagon vote if I've ever seen one. I didn't defend this because you were clearly digging up a quote ignoring the context. If you look back on the entire day phase you plucked that quote from you will see 2 things, 1. Everyone was bandwagoning that day. 2. We all were looking for a consensus to get a lynch done. We had a million different leads floating around and everyone was trying to get on the same page. That was why I made that vote. If bandwagoning is the tell for someone being scum I am far from the biggest offender on that front. Yours was the only vote this entire game that could remotely be considered a bandwagon from me. Hope that clears it up. |
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 14:02:36 GMT -4
EBWOP
Sorry the full quote didn't pop up. View above for the full quote if needed. Posting from an ipad sucks.
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 14:04:53 GMT -4
EBWOP
As for the vote, if Stryke and Envi are the options I would lean towards Stryke. Envi has seemed more town like to me. I would still rather hear from Jules before throwing a vote down.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 14:07:25 GMT -4
Wow... just wow. I know this doesn't help my case for proving that I'm town by making such a suggestion. In truth, I'm still more than willing to believe that Sal is town and I've seen no proof to say otherwise, but I just have a nagging doubt... It's kinda the same way that people suspect me of being scum because I inherited Rebel's role. No proof, just a suspicion you can't dismiss outright. I am a little bothered by KJE. When I was being first suspected, she did mention that perhaps I should be lynched. She was the first person to suggest that after L-1, Hades, Jennings, and Envi had voiced their suspicion. That might just be personal, but it's a concern for me all the same. I know she's got the support of Jennings and Sal, and that's good enough for me right now. For a similar reason, having Envi keep coming around and reminding people that I might be scum keeps nagging at me as well. He was one of the first people to voice suspicion. When he voted for the Stone lynch he voiced suspicion about me reminding everyone that I shouldn't be forgotten. And then here on day 4, I'm one of his top two suspects. I don't know why. No one else is that focused on me. Still, that's not enough to trigger a desire for a lynch desire on my end. Jules, Kash and Reaver... I don't really know what to think. Jules and Kash have been fairly quiet. Short posts here and there, chiming in occasionally. I'm willing to accept that Jules may be silenced right now. But there's no certainty to that claim. Reaver claimed to silenced during day 2 on day 3. Gooch did the same for day 3 once some arm twisting was done. Jules might claim day 4 silence if he makes it to day 5. Kash I have no suspicions of. Reaver... I don't know what to make of him. He seems like he can be anywhere on the spectrum at any moment. Defensive one day, supportive the next. Mixed reads, so I don't know what to say about him. I'm going to Vote: Envi for the mere fact that Stryke was the ONLY player to suspect KJE of being scum to my knowledge. I don't see a new player doing that to a team mate and I don't think a scum player would do that considering that both Sally and I believed KJE to be town. I'm thinking the remaining non-town are Envi along with two from this list: Gooch, Jules, Pepsi, or Styke (I think we should look at Pepsi and Gooch next). That's just what I'm thinking right now. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 14:11:18 GMT -4
EWBOP Here are some interesting quotes This was never defended. Bandwagon vote if I've ever seen one. I didn't defend this because you were clearly digging up a quote ignoring the context. If you look back on the entire day phase you plucked that quote from you will see 2 things, 1. Everyone was bandwagoning that day. 2. We all were looking for a consensus to get a lynch done. We had a million different leads floating around and everyone was trying to get on the same page. That was why I made that vote. If bandwagoning is the tell for someone being scum I am far from the biggest offender on that front. Yours was the only vote this entire game that could remotely be considered a bandwagon from me. Hope that clears it up. You've always been straight up, Pepsi. I can dig. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Post by Victor Hades on Aug 1, 2013 14:17:59 GMT -4
Wow... just wow. I know this doesn't help my case for proving that I'm town by making such a suggestion. In truth, I'm still more than willing to believe that Sal is town and I've seen no proof to say otherwise, but I just have a nagging doubt... It's kinda the same way that people suspect me of being scum because I inherited Rebel's role. No proof, just a suspicion you can't dismiss outright. I am a little bothered by KJE. When I was being first suspected, she did mention that perhaps I should be lynched. She was the first person to suggest that after L-1, Hades, Jennings, and Envi had voiced their suspicion. That might just be personal, but it's a concern for me all the same. I know she's got the support of Jennings and Sal, and that's good enough for me right now. For a similar reason, having Envi keep coming around and reminding people that I might be scum keeps nagging at me as well. He was one of the first people to voice suspicion. When he voted for the Stone lynch he voiced suspicion about me reminding everyone that I shouldn't be forgotten. And then here on day 4, I'm one of his top two suspects. I don't know why. No one else is that focused on me. Still, that's not enough to trigger a desire for a lynch desire on my end. Jules, Kash and Reaver... I don't really know what to think. Jules and Kash have been fairly quiet. Short posts here and there, chiming in occasionally. I'm willing to accept that Jules may be silenced right now. But there's no certainty to that claim. Reaver claimed to silenced during day 2 on day 3. Gooch did the same for day 3 once some arm twisting was done. Jules might claim day 4 silence if he makes it to day 5. Kash I have no suspicions of. Reaver... I don't know what to make of him. He seems like he can be anywhere on the spectrum at any moment. Defensive one day, supportive the next. Mixed reads, so I don't know what to say about him. I'm going to Vote: Envi for the mere fact that Stryke was the ONLY player to suspect KJE of being scum to my knowledge. I don't see a new player doing that to a team mate and I don't think a scum player would do that considering that both Sally and I believed KJE to be town. I'm thinking the remaining non-town are Envi along with two from this list: Gooch, Jules, Pepsi, or Styke (I think we should look at Pepsi and Gooch next). That's just what I'm thinking right now. I caught that too I'm glad you actually reminded me. Now I'm tracing back through days all over again. In that case, my Vote: Envi Will stick and we can look into Pepsi and Gooch's cases. I think we covered most of Gooch, but to be safe we might as well go through both again anyway. |
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 14:31:57 GMT -4
Ok, I would hate from someone to waste there night action on checking if I am town since I am. I would rather any investigative roles be used on another suspect.
Here goes, I am a 2 shot town double voter. I have not used my action up to this point. Today is my first time using it. That is why I am hesitant to throw a vote down without being sure. I would hate my double vote to be the hammer on a mislynch. If we have a confirmed town consensus on Envi I will vote. The vote count will prove my role claim.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 14:36:19 GMT -4
Jennings is a very smart pro-town Mafia player. An Envi lynch would be smarter now than any other. I didn't even think about Envi not looking at KJE as guilty at all...but you've hit the nail on the head. With numbers getting smaller, we have to look back and see who defended or went after who...Sorry Envi.
Unvote
Vote: Envi
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 14:37:24 GMT -4
I'm starting to believe there's a lot of one shot or two shot roles in this game.
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 14:42:01 GMT -4
Vote: Envi
Fair enough. I will trust you guys on this one. Evidently my radar is kind of off this game anyways as I could have sworn both Stone and Hades were scum, Stone flipped town and Hades was confirmed town. The vote out should confirm my claim anyways.
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Post by Pepsi on Aug 1, 2013 14:43:20 GMT -4
Vote: EnviFair enough. I will trust you guys on this one. Evidently my radar is kind of off this game anyways as I could have sworn both Stone and Hades were scum, Stone flipped town and Hades was confirmed town. The vote out should confirm my claim anyways. EBWOP Vote out = vote count. This ipad is killing me. I need a new laptop. |
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Post by A.C. Smith on Aug 1, 2013 15:09:25 GMT -4
VOTE COUNT
Envi: 4 (Jennings, Gooch, Pepsi)
Again, with 10 alive, it takes SIX votes for a lynch.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 15:11:55 GMT -4
Pepsi is telling the truth. I trust his claim although double voters can be any alignment. Just pointing that out.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 15:13:12 GMT -4
Did Hades have his vote taken from him?
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 15:16:37 GMT -4
Yeah it looks like it. Might be a vote stealer role
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 15:17:08 GMT -4
In any even that fact basically makes me even more certain that Hades is town than I was before which means my info is correct.
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There are only 30 boxes of books and the boss forgot about my radio show, so I get to stay here and not get sweaty in the Texas heat! Sweet.
