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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 15:28:00 GMT -4
Raab is online as we speak. That may not mean much, but with the numbers getting smaller the game gets a little more intense. I know she's still new to playing, but it could be a sign that she's hanging in a QT. I brought that up in a ViW game and the guy ended up flipping scum. Not enough to throw a vote on her...but worth mentioning.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 15:37:27 GMT -4
I think Raab is very green so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. However Raab's hider role may be useful if she targets two of the unconfirmed.
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Post by Victor Hades on Aug 1, 2013 15:39:22 GMT -4
Greaaaaat.....
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 15:42:52 GMT -4
I don't even know what a QT is. Why are you all forcing me to vote just asking?
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 1, 2013 15:44:12 GMT -4
Alright, well, I can ascertain that a vote for me would definitely be a wasted vote for the town. I don't believe I've said "I am town" throughout the course of this game, (figured that was best early on, to avoid being targeted by scum in the night actions).
I never looked at KJE as guilty or even threw any suspicion her way, but as I look back over this thread, I see that not many people did. The only person that suggested KJE may have been scum was Stryke, and he went at her hard-- but left the situation alone once the votes never picked up. This set off a red flag in my head when I woke up to see that KJE had been killed and revealed as scum, leading me to think that the two briefly gunned for each other in order to suspend any speculation that they're working as a unit.
Perhaps it's not the best way to figure out who's town and who's not, but something I looked at while at work was posting patterns. Literally, how often someone posts, when they post, what they post about, but mainly just... "how often?"
Jules hasn't hopped onto defend himself too often here, and I look at it as suspicious behavior, but there never seems to be a town consensus willing to throw votes his way. Stryke usually hops on and constructs a lengthy, detailed post when his name is brought up in the voting, but usually his leads take us nowhere. Raab was somebody that I was suspicious of at the end of Day Four, but I've become 99.9% convinced that she's not scum.
I won't pull the "vote for me if you want" card, because we're far too deep into the game to make mistakes.
My gut has told me Stryke since the moment he was ushered into the game, and I'm honestly gonna have to stick with that. It's very plausible to believe that KJE, who played a good game while she was alive, was pulling the strings the entire time. At the end, it started to fall apart, and if she was the "veteran player" that everybody was convinced existed within the mafia, then I think it'll become obvious by Day 6 if we're still dealing with a vet, or if we're dealing with a couple of noobs/regular players.
Admittedly, with this being my first time playing Mafia (without being mod-killed), I know that there are probably better ways to word what I'm trying to say, but hopefully you guys get the gist of it.
That's where I stand, and I'm hoping we don't hastily rush into a bad decision here. But up to this point, no one's given me any reason to believe that I'm looking in the wrong direction with my vote.
Vote: Chaos
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 1, 2013 15:46:06 GMT -4
I don't even know what a QT is. Why are you all forcing me to vote just asking? No one's forcing you to do anything. I think you've played a very quiet game, and as I said, I'm (almost) entirely convinced you're not scum. But you don't seem to contribute to the town. |
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 1, 2013 15:48:02 GMT -4
EBWOP for my post 2 posts ago. I meant to say "noobs/irregular (infrequent) players."
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 15:51:23 GMT -4
Because everything has been said and I would be repeating myself. I'm not good at giving info because I don't know what to say apart from reading posts but I don't understand half of what people have said.
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 1, 2013 15:53:39 GMT -4
It wasn't a slight against you as a player, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't contribute to the town. Because of that, I don't really see you being a target at any point in this game.
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Post by A.C. Smith on Aug 1, 2013 15:58:48 GMT -4
VOTE COUNT Envi: 4 (Jennings, Gooch, Pepsi) Again, with 10 alive, it takes SIX votes for a lynch. This was incorrect; I missed Hades's vote because it was inside a block of text. Sorry about that. Corrected count: Envi: 5 (Jennings, Gooch, Pepsi, Hades) Chaos Stryke: 1 (Envi) |
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 1, 2013 16:03:33 GMT -4
See I was waiting to see if Evan would speak before I voted and he did so I'm not going to vote now.
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Post by SalTal on Aug 1, 2013 17:26:02 GMT -4
Let's focus on Speed and Jewels. Speede's dead, man. He's been dead since night 2. Helpful townie here ... |
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Post by SalTal on Aug 1, 2013 17:36:22 GMT -4
EBWOP As for the vote, if Stryke and Envi are the options I would lean towards Stryke. Envi has seemed more town like to me. I would still rather hear from Jules before throwing a vote down. I am of this mind. I think the KJE/Stryke suspicions that they both spoke about is outweighed by that fact that Stryke did replace Rebel. I thought it back when it happened, Level-One also thought it when he was alive, and heck - we've all thought it at one point. I'm less convinced on Envi being anti-town. I'm not convinced he IS town, but I'm not sold on anti-town. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 1, 2013 20:15:08 GMT -4
Sometimes when I say Speed I mean Pepsi...Don't I feel like a horses patoot. |
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Aug 1, 2013 21:13:42 GMT -4
We're at a pivot point right here, but this will be a short post, because a longer one will distract us from the issue at hand.
Envi, I'd just like to say that I could end your game right now if I so wished, and if I were scum or third party I'd probably do, unless we were both scum which we probably both know right now we're not, since I'd know for sure whether you're on my side or against me. But since I'm town, I have no certainty where your alignment sits, and I'm not willing to risk killing a town member right here because I will not take the responsibility for being the hammer of a mislynch.
You've constantly been poking and prodding me, but I'm not going to complete this lynch because of a grudge like that. I think I was wrong to go after Kash last day and I'm not going to make the same move when I'm less certain now than I was then.
Sorry guys, I just can't be sure he's the one we want. I suspect it's possible, but I'm not ready to bet everything on what's just a hunch for me even if the rest of you are certain. If he flips scum, I expect you'll all be after me, but that's a chance I'll have to take.
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Post by Jason Cashe on Aug 1, 2013 23:26:36 GMT -4
EBWOP As for the vote, if Stryke and Envi are the options I would lean towards Stryke. Envi has seemed more town like to me. I would still rather hear from Jules before throwing a vote down. I am of this mind. I think the KJE/Stryke suspicions that they both spoke about is outweighed by that fact that Stryke did replace Rebel. I thought it back when it happened, Level-One also thought it when he was alive, and heck - we've all thought it at one point. I'm less convinced on Envi being anti-town. I'm not convinced he IS town, but I'm not sold on anti-town. |
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Post by Jason Cashe on Aug 1, 2013 23:28:26 GMT -4
EBWOP
I like seeing Logan involved more for sure and hope to see him in a game again. I want to work with him SO BADLY! But while Envi could be voted on as well here for me based on whats been shown, I think a better choice right here is against Logan.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 1, 2013 23:55:12 GMT -4
I'm definitely not voting for Stryke. I think he is town going by what I've seen.
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Post by SalTal on Aug 2, 2013 0:15:39 GMT -4
Ill vote Envi if that's the consensus. But I don't think he is the mos guilty ATM.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Aug 2, 2013 0:37:53 GMT -4
The only good thing is the number of suspects has decreased dramatically. However I am interested to hear from Jules.
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Post by SalTal on Aug 2, 2013 2:42:34 GMT -4
So that's it? We're going with Envi?
Vote: Envi
If this is wrong, and the scum kill a townie tonight, we're in a lynch-or-lose situation.
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Post by Jules on Aug 2, 2013 5:27:16 GMT -4
Looks like a lynch, and sorry I've been away with work for 24 hours. Nothing I can do now but looking over everything Gooch is definitely scum.
A few things:
1. His defence relies on the claim 'Level-One is a darn tooting good player and he cleared me'- yeah that's iron clad logic. No one is disputing Level-One is good, but he was a tracker, you can't clear anyone with that role with one night action, and even Level-One makes mistakes occasionally.
2. He follows that up by trying to get the bandwagon on me rolling. He is Reaver's buddy I am sure of it, and this is just an extension of their plan all along to build on James' worry that there is a vet behind all of this.
3. He's not even watching the thread closely enough, as Sally pointed out with his reference to Speede. Don't they say only scum can afford to not follow the thread?
This doesn't pertain to Gooch, but isn't entirely unrelated. I never put much stock in the 'veteran' theory, or rather I didn't put much stock in the exclusive group James listed as 'vets'. There were, and still are, experienced players in this game beyond me, Sally (cleared), and James (cleared). Maybe James was correct though, and KJE turning scum would substantiate that theory. James has cleared me, and if you are going to accept Hades is town through James then you surely have to accept me too. Sure, one of us could be GF, but we're both town.
Pepsi is clearly a double voter (backed up by the vote count), so that leaves Chaos and Raab. We know where to look tonight.
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Post by Evan De Parker on Aug 2, 2013 6:53:57 GMT -4
The hammer hasn't fallen yet, and I'm pressed for time but let me get this out here before anything is final:
The lynch is a waste. A townie will likely be killed tonight, and whomever is scum is likely going to remain tight-lipped until the next day phase. I must stress that this is a poor decision.
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 2, 2013 6:54:28 GMT -4
Just how do you all give out lots of info without losing track and repeating on what people have said? This game is so confusing to me that I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 2, 2013 7:20:02 GMT -4
Looks like a lynch, and sorry I've been away with work for 24 hours. Nothing I can do now but looking over everything Gooch is definitely scum. A few things: 1. His defence relies on the claim 'Level-One is a darn tooting good player and he cleared me'- yeah that's iron clad logic. No one is disputing Level-One is good, but he was a tracker, you can't clear anyone with that role with one night action, and even Level-One makes mistakes occasionally. 2. He follows that up by trying to get the bandwagon on me rolling. He is Reaver's buddy I am sure of it, and this is just an extension of their plan all along to build on James' worry that there is a vet behind all of this. 3. He's not even watching the thread closely enough, as Sally pointed out with his reference to Speede. Don't they say only scum can afford to not follow the thread? This doesn't pertain to Gooch, but isn't entirely unrelated. I never put much stock in the 'veteran' theory, or rather I didn't put much stock in the exclusive group James listed as 'vets'. There were, and still are, experienced players in this game beyond me, Sally (cleared), and James (cleared). Maybe James was correct though, and KJE turning scum would substantiate that theory. James has cleared me, and if you are going to accept Hades is town through James then you surely have to accept me too. Sure, one of us could be GF, but we're both town. Pepsi is clearly a double voter (backed up by the vote count), so that leaves Chaos and Raab. We know where to look tonight. I guess I can defend myself point for point. 1. That's the only thing I have to go off of. No one has looked at me at all. I'll admit, I'm not the best player (more on that later). His role wasn't one to track, but much like Sally and JamesV are good at "routing out scum", he too can get a strong vibe for those who are town. 2. Sorry for trying to get the vote started with you. We needed a lynch and you looked scummy. I'm not scum. Envi did to me too. I'm curious as to why certain people aren't throwing a vote on Envi. Raab is very adamant about NOT voting for Envi. I vote when I think it's valuable. I don't have anyone in my ear telling me what to do. 3. I'm watching the thread very closely. I just am a doofus and kept putting Speed down when I meant Pepsi. I saw her post and was like "so what?" until I realized I had gotten the names confused (I was writing Speed, but thinking Justin Gabriel if that makes sense). I got silenced during the Day 2 period. That's all the info I had. I thought Knuckles had been silenced, then it was me, and then it was Jules. I've never been silencer so I didn't know strategy for that. I'm not scum. No one but Level One has used their night ability on me. Level One is a strong player who could rout out townies and scum just like some other strong players can. Based on what he had at his disposal and his gut, he thought I was town and believed it enough to voice it. Some may dismiss something that Level One said, but I'm not going to do that because 1) He is a very strong player and 2) It's my neck on the line and I know I'm not scum. I'm going to go with my gut and say I don't think that, with what has been presented now, that Envi is scum or 3rd party. Unvote: EnviI can't tell if Raab is playing a newbie style or is being told what to do, but her play is very much suspect especially the spazzing out yesterday. Envi talked her off the ledge, but I think that was Envi being a good guy, b/c if they were scum he could've just told her to cool off in the QT. ("What's a QT?" come on now). |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 2, 2013 7:21:10 GMT -4
EWBOP
Did the hammer drop with Sal's vote?
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Post by SalTal on Aug 2, 2013 7:30:33 GMT -4
Sort of glad the Envi vote is dying off. Just some casual observations here:
Isn't it a coincidence that Gooch is all of a sudden active and all gun-ho now that he's "not busy" any more. Mind you, he was busy all the way up to when we piled some votes on him last day phase.
Raab's play has just got erratic. 99% of me is still sure she's town and just being goaded into replying right now with the level of activity. But there is a niggling suspicion.
Jules' activity is helping, but FAR more active than every day phase (sans the silenced day) than he had previously been. In previous games with Jules, he's usually been pretty active from the start with less lurking than we've seen.
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Post by Lord Raab on Aug 2, 2013 7:32:41 GMT -4
I really like to see some evidence of where else I'm talking in cos it's only here and not in this QT thing cos I haven't got a clue what that is. Seriously I'm asking questions because I'm trying to play better but now asking questions is playing scummy? So stupid.
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Post by SalTal on Aug 2, 2013 8:01:04 GMT -4
I really like to see some evidence of where else I'm talking in cos it's only here and not in this QT thing cos I haven't got a clue what that is. Seriously I'm asking questions because I'm trying to play better but now asking questions is playing scummy? So stupid. I'll try and walk you through a few things here, and will also attribute to you why people are getting scum vibes from you: First, you have hardly posted at all in this game ... right up to now. Now, people are wondering why the drastic change in activity. People are wondering "Why did Raab go from hardly posting, hardly saying anything, and having no real opinions to now posting semi-regularly, saying a lot of 'authoritarian' things, and having strong opinions?" An immediate answer to that is that you are anti-town (that is: Mafia or third party) and are panicking because there is a lot of suspicion on you now. Similarly, you might be posting more erratically because a more experienced player (Reaver or KJE) was previously telling you when to post/what to post previously and now that they are dead they cannot tell you what to do and when to do it. Second, a QT is a 'Quick Thread'. It is a website that hosts private forums which are only accessible by possessing the link. The mafia/scum are given one to plot and plan and prepare their game and can talk in it during the day and night. The third party would have been given one as well for the same reasons. Now, given you complete lack of play through some days, some people are wondering why you weren't modkilled (if any day phases went by where you didn't post at all). People think that someone inactive not being modkilled is a sign that they are active in the QT which prevents someone from being modkilled. The mafia and the third party can be active in the QT and not the game thread to avoid being modkilled. Third, asking questions isn't scummy by itself, but questions this late in the game raise red flags. You see, we're trying to figure out who is the anti-town from the suspects that've been narrowed down. We have a very small list of suspects now and we should be talking about that. You are asking questions which distracts us from figuring out who is scum. What is also scummy about asking questions, especially right now, is that you didn't ask any questions for many, many days before now. Seemingly, you didn't have any questions. But now you do? As above, they are distracting. And, as above, a more experienced player may not be around to tell you what to say and when to say. And, as above, your posting now is erratic to the point that it looks like you are panicking because you're being suspected (and if you're guilty) are just posting to try and plant an idea that you are a rookie townie. |
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Post by Buckson Gooch on Aug 2, 2013 8:01:23 GMT -4
I'm still "gung ho" busy, but I was able to be in the office yesterday and I was able to get on early this morning.
I won't be back on anymore today (which should make the scum salivate b/c they can try to lynch me with no defense). I'm the director of a lectureship and today is our first day so I will be running around like a chicken with it's head cut off. The summer is always very stressful for me with my work. When I say I'm busy, I'm legitimately busy. I'd like to have more hang out time to play a better game on here, but I do what I can.
It's 7:00 A.M. CST and I'm already working up a sweat running around at work today...and it won't stop until about 9:30 P.M. CST tonight. It's going to be a great day, but long and stressful too.
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