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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 11:08:05 GMT -4
We have a clear divide here, but Gates, Marv and Rebel are being far too reckless with the game on the line, and your arguments practically scream that you want this game to end right now.
If you three are mafia, which seems likely given your collective stance, then your position makes perfect sense. But if you're town, you'll recall your votes so that cooler heads can prevail.
So long as no one has been silenced we can resolve this the right way.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Sept 27, 2012 11:12:39 GMT -4
If I were working with Gates and/or TMarv, I would have voted for Knuckles and gone ahead with the lynch.
However, C.J. offered nothing concrete and therefore, I had no reason to vote on a hunch. When someone comes out with information that they are willing to back 100%, and in a game where we have received absolutely nothing, you have to run with it.
Your defense of Kurt leads me to believe that you are working with him, and perhaps are his scum buddy in this game. We get rid of Kurt tonight, send you in to the ground tomorrow, and we are right back in this thing.
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Post by Kurt on Sept 27, 2012 11:16:47 GMT -4
I'm not faulting you on a bad decision. They happen. But after admitting to making one mistake you expect the town members to just shrug it off and follow you on another witch hunt? You say you're not guessing, that you're 100% but how can everyone else be sure of that? You've already been wrong. If Rebel and Marv are willing to follow you based on your word, which has already cost us one town member, I don't think it would be making much of a leap to say that you three are the scum in this game. If someone else has something to go off of, by all means, we can role with it. I know that I am 100% town, and I also know that there is no way short of getting myself modkilled that I can prove that and prove that my information is correct. All I can say is that I received a one shot investigative role and used it on Noble to find out he is guilty, and made sure to use my own role (which isn't anything investigative/silencing but helps make sure roles are successful) to make sure that I got a result. The game will be over if we don't lynch scum, and Kurt is scum. If we don't lynch him, then we will lynch a townie (most likely, if we lynch anyone since it will probably either by Kurt or myself) and a nightkill will doom us. If we don't lynch anyone then a nightkill will doom us. As far as a silenced player goes, Kurt, the more I think of it, the more I think you're full of it. If there was someone silenced, then we shouldn't even be playing since there's no way we can lynch scum if we only have 4 of the 5 needed votes. You keep feeding us these buzzwords. If you really cared about trying to prove your claims, you'd have roleclaimedinstead of ignoring Stryke's question. You keep pushing vagueness on us. I know a mislynch kills us. That's why I'm in no hurry to start a bandwagon on you or anyone else. I'm waiting to see how this silenced scenario plays out. What, 3 players haven't checked in? I need to see this for myself. As far as the game goes...they're called double-voters. Also, if a no lynch and a no occurred, the game is still not over...that's why I wonder why some people are so adament on pushing a wagon without any wait or analyzation. It's like no one even read what I wrote! |
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Post by Kurt on Sept 27, 2012 11:19:30 GMT -4
If I were working with Gates and/or TMarv, I would have voted for Knuckles and gone ahead with the lynch. However, C.J. offered nothing concrete and therefore, I had no reason to vote on a hunch. When someone comes out with information that they are willing to back 100%, and in a game where we have received absolutely nothing, you have to run with it. Your defense of Kurt leads me to believe that you are working with him, and perhaps are his scum buddy in this game. We get rid of Kurt tonight, send you in to the ground tomorrow, and we are right back in this thing. You have played for over a year...do you seriously believe the whole mafia team votes together? Your second paragraph ignores the entire lynch lose context. I cannot stress that enough. Your unwillingness to even question what you're being told is confusing me. |
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 11:24:34 GMT -4
Marv's sudden withdrawl into silence is telling while Rebel and Gates try to defend their poor position.
I can't help but think that we have our trio.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Sept 27, 2012 11:27:12 GMT -4
If I were working with Gates and/or TMarv, I would have voted for Knuckles and gone ahead with the lynch. However, C.J. offered nothing concrete and therefore, I had no reason to vote on a hunch. When someone comes out with information that they are willing to back 100%, and in a game where we have received absolutely nothing, you have to run with it. Your defense of Kurt leads me to believe that you are working with him, and perhaps are his scum buddy in this game. We get rid of Kurt tonight, send you in to the ground tomorrow, and we are right back in this thing. You have played for over a year...do you seriously believe the whole mafia team votes together? Your second paragraph ignores the entire lynch lose context. I cannot stress that enough. Your unwillingness to even question what you're being told is confusing me. We're also in a lose situation if we don't do anything and let Mafia pick off another player in the game. So, we can play the odds by taking something that seems concrete, ie; C.J's evidence, or we could take a chance and hope the Mafia doesn't pick someone off tonight. That makes zero sense and is playing exactly in to their (your) hands. This is the only move we have during this day phase. Nobody else is coming forward with information...and if they do, I'll be happy to retract my vote and examine the evidence. Until then? My vote will stay on you. |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Sept 27, 2012 11:28:29 GMT -4
Marv's sudden withdrawl into silence is telling while Rebel and Gates try to defend their poor position. I can't help but think that we have our trio. Your incessant backing of Kurt, when C.J's come out with 100% certainty, lends me to believe that we have nailed at least two of the three scum members. |
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Post by Kurt on Sept 27, 2012 11:33:12 GMT -4
You have played for over a year...do you seriously believe the whole mafia team votes together? Your second paragraph ignores the entire lynch lose context. I cannot stress thiat enough. Your unwillingness to even question what you're being told is confusing me. We're also in a lose situation if we don't do anything and let Mafia pick off another player in the game. So, we can play the odds by taking something that seems concrete, ie; C.J's evidence, or we could take a chance and hope the Mafia doesn't pick someone off tonight. That makes zero sense and is playing exactly in to their (your) hands. This is the only move we have during this day phase. Nobody else is coming forward with information...and if they do, I'll be happy to retract my vote and examine the evidence. Until then? My vote will stay on you. Explain to me how 3 Mafia can beat 4 townies if there's no lynch today and a NK. CJ's evidence is not concrete, which I have already noted. If I came forward with nonsense at the start of the day, would you have believed me? If you said yes, ylthat worries me. You are more willing to play off "info" than anaylze the situation. You need to examine the evidence now...which is the situation. Your unwillingness to do that. right now leads me to wonder why you would do such a thing. |
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Post by Kurt on Sept 27, 2012 11:35:31 GMT -4
Marv's sudden withdrawl into silence is telling while Rebel and Gates try to defend their poor position. I can't help but think that we have our trio. Your incessant backing of Kurt, when C.J's come out with 100% certainty, lends me to believe that we have nailed at least two of the three scum members. I am 100% certain CJ made up his claim after leading us to Knuckles's lynch. Chaos is not saying don't lynch me. He's asking you to wait, or even consider my claim. You are doing neither. |
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 11:35:40 GMT -4
And the fact that you insist that the game is over if we don't lynch anyone is a lie and you keep repeating it.
8 players left and 3 are Mafia. If we do nothing today, there will still be 4 town members in the next day, still a majority.
I know basic match is important, but I didn't realize that it would nail down a scum member so quickly.
Vote: Johnny Rebel
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Post by C.J. Gates on Sept 27, 2012 11:42:15 GMT -4
Had to re-read the rules about role claiming before I did because I don't want to be mod-killed, but looking at them, it's not against the rules (at least that's what I got). You guys want me to roleclaim? Then fine. I'm an encourager. All the role allows me is that each night I get to pick one person and their night action will happen without fail. That is why I targeted myself last night to make sure that I actually got a result and didn't waste the investigation.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Sept 27, 2012 11:44:39 GMT -4
We're also in a lose situation if we don't do anything and let Mafia pick off another player in the game. So, we can play the odds by taking something that seems concrete, ie; C.J's evidence, or we could take a chance and hope the Mafia doesn't pick someone off tonight. That makes zero sense and is playing exactly in to their (your) hands. This is the only move we have during this day phase. Nobody else is coming forward with information...and if they do, I'll be happy to retract my vote and examine the evidence. Until then? My vote will stay on you. Explain to me how 3 Mafia can beat 4 townies if there's no lynch today and a NK. CJ's evidence is not concrete, which I have already noted. If I came forward with nonsense at the start of the day, would you have believed me? If you said yes, ylthat worries me. You are more willing to play off "info" than anaylze the situation. You need to examine the evidence now...which is the situation. Your unwillingness to do that. right now leads me to wonder why you would do such a thing. We won't have to have 3 mafia beat 4 townies, because you're little group will be down to two after today! |
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 11:45:06 GMT -4
So... you couldn't have done that yesterday and nipped this whole argument in the bud then? Or is it just because your situation is becoming more precarious that you suddenly feel that you must validate you stance now?
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Post by Michael Callahan on Sept 27, 2012 11:53:45 GMT -4
I activate my trap-card, role claiming!
So, Knuckles getting lynched was entirely my fault.
How?
BECAUSE I SILENCED HIM.
IT WAS ME AUSTIN.
IT WAS ME ALL ALONG.
Why? Why guide a mislynch on a town player?
1) Well, I was genuinely suspicious of him. I figured using my power to throw him under the bus would definitely uproot a scum player after the way he tried to cast suspicion on me without any real reason. By this I mean his waiting for me specifically to report on Night 1 Actions despite the fact I genuinely didn't take any. Followed by his "Hmmmm" when I disagreed with whatever evidence he had.
2) Following the bizarre nature of his behaviour, he was already public enemy number 1 and the rapid fire questions made him a sure fire lynch.
So what did I ultimately end up achieving here?
I drew the fire of the scum-team collectively trying to rush a lynch on a vulnerable Knuckles thus bringing out a rogues gallery of potential suspects to try and lynch in getting some actual scum.
This followed by the collectivist stance taken up by Rebel, Marvin and Gates would suggest to me that they are our three mafia and should be treated as such.
With votes already on CJ Gates I have no choice but to declare;
Vote: CJ Gates
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 12:00:32 GMT -4
Oh... hold on a moment Senator.
You and I are of like mind at the moment, but we should definitely coordinate our voting if this is to work. The question is, which member of the Marv, Rebel, Gates voting bloc is the most pressing concern?
I've tagged Rebel because of the obvious lying and I see you've gone for Gates. Noble, any thoughts on this? You seem to be the other sane voice I can consult here at the moment.
And did you happen to silence anyone else during the night Senator? If so, we've might have a bit of a bind.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Sept 27, 2012 12:13:12 GMT -4
So... you couldn't have done that yesterday and nipped this whole argument in the bud then? Or is it just because your situation is becoming more precarious that you suddenly feel that you must validate you stance now? Would revealing my role have helped yesterday? Would me telling you I was the encourager do anything in the eve of the Knuckles lynch? Probably not, which is why I didn't say anything. Is my situation right now precarious? Yes. But not for the reasons you and Callahan are pointing out. I am a townie trying to lynch a scum member I have 100% proof on. A scum member who claimed I was the silencer, which was refuted by Callahan saying it is him. I can't paint it any better than that. Noble is scum. If you lynch me you are going to end up costing the town the game, I can say that for a fact. To put it this way. If you're town and you want to win the game then you wouldn't be voting for me. I get the strange feeling that the scum are Noble, Callahan and Chaos. |
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 12:35:30 GMT -4
I'm not voting for you. I'm sure you noticed who I'm voting for. Or is your guilt so great that you already feel the noose around your neck?
The simple fact is you admitted that you were wrong with Knuckles, now you say you are completely right about Kurt. Zero credibility is what you really have.
No one even blamed Knuckles' lynching on you, but you felt that you had to defend yourself. Why? There were six votes after all.
The actions you take and the validations you make seem so flimsy, but even that wasn't enough to make me vote for you. I voted for Rebel because of the obvious lies he's been saying, in trying to convince everyone that today is a 'lynch now or lose' situation when a no lynch today still gives us tomorrow.
But thank you for being so defensive that you've pretty much admitted your own guilt.
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Post by Michael Callahan on Sept 27, 2012 14:20:21 GMT -4
Oh... hold on a moment Senator. You and I are of like mind at the moment, but we should definitely coordinate our voting if this is to work. The question is, which member of the Marv, Rebel, Gates voting bloc is the most pressing concern? I've tagged Rebel because of the obvious lying and I see you've gone for Gates. Noble, any thoughts on this? You seem to be the other sane voice I can consult here at the moment. And did you happen to silence anyone else during the night Senator? If so, we've might have a bit of a bind. Nope. I have no other reason to silence anybody else at this point in time and silencing people for the Hell of it isn't really my ball-game. As Knuckles himself will frustratedly attest to, I don't use my powers for the sake of it if there's a risk of wastage or negative consequence. |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Sept 27, 2012 14:23:53 GMT -4
And the fact that you insist that the game is over if we don't lynch anyone is a lie and you keep repeating it. 8 players left and 3 are Mafia. If we do nothing today, there will still be 4 town members in the next day, still a majority. I know basic match is important, but I didn't realize that it would nail down a scum member so quickly. Vote: Johnny RebelI don't get this vote at all. To me it's either Noble or Gates, bottom line. I'm leaning toward Gates out of the two but that's just me. Too many holes in the story for my liking. I'll post more after work. |
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Post by Kurt on Sept 27, 2012 14:24:31 GMT -4
So... you couldn't have done that yesterday and nipped this whole argument in the bud then? Or is it just because your situation is becoming more precarious that you suddenly feel that you must validate you stance now? Would revealing my role have helped yesterday? Would me telling you I was the encourager do anything in the eve of the Knuckles lynch? Probably not, which is why I didn't say anything. Is my situation right now precarious? Yes. But not for the reasons you and Callahan are pointing out. I am a townie trying to lynch a scum member I have 100% proof on. A scum member who claimed I was the silencer, which was refuted by Callahan saying it is him. He's positive in my books. I can't paint it any better than that. Noble is scum. If you lynch me you are going to end up costing the town the game, I can say that for a fact. To put it this way. If you're town and you want to win the game then you wouldn't be voting for me. I get the strange feeling that the scum are Noble, Callahan and Chaos. Do you and Rebel honestly see why I wanted to wait? My theory about you was wrong, admittedly...but Callahan's group-think, rushed lynch claim is right on the money. Before I hit that, I just want to make a note: I've never seen a silencer role be pro-town. HOWEVER, Callahan openly outing himself, even if done in that joking, sneaky fashion of his, opens up some credibility. Looking back at Days 2 and 3, his motive is clear, so I don't have a reason to distrust him at the moment. But, CJ doesn't have any votes on him (well, he does now, but not before Callahan's). So, we have time to answer some questions/get the full scope of things before proceeding... First, Callahan... did you silence anyone today? You didn't specify, so I just want to ask. There are still two MIA players, so I have to ask officially. Second, Chaos...I do think CJ is the better lynch today. There's a lot more circumstantial evidence/questions about him, opposed to about Rebel. Why hide the roleblock? Why be so vague in his role while trying to use it as a crutch? Did he really target the people that died nights 1 and 2 (thus, can confirm nothing)? Why shift the blame of the lynch over to the rest of us? There's so many questions with no one that can confirm any answers. Rebel's l"only lynch today" point, and his obliviousness leads me to believe he's #2. He says this is the only option for today...but I am not the only player in this game. The only reason I could encourage Rebel over CJ is because CJ claimed - he now has a possible safeclaim he has to stick with. Nailing Rebel would force CJ to possibly prove his role tomorrow. While he is a part of the group, I'm iffy on Tmarv being #3, because of the earlier discussion day #2 about his role. I would put him as the least likely. If Tmarv can back up his role tomorrow with a successful watch, he's clean to me, So either CJ or Rebel. Both were unwilling to wait or consider an alternative, and it's telling. Let's see what TJ and JamesV think, and then I think we can proceed. |
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Post by Kurt on Sept 27, 2012 14:25:13 GMT -4
EBWOP - Sorry Callahan, didn't see your response. Clears it up for me.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Sept 27, 2012 14:38:40 GMT -4
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Unvote
I told you that I'd recant my vote if something new developed, and Callahan's roleclaim certainly qualifies. You were the only vote at-the-time because nobody else had any other information. Now, that isn't the case.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Sept 27, 2012 14:41:50 GMT -4
I'm not voting for you. I'm sure you noticed who I'm voting for. Or is your guilt so great that you already feel the noose around your neck? Maybe because I figure that the vote is going to come down to me or Noble. Really, you can vote for Rebel, true, but I think most of the people left are going to either believe the truth or follow Noble's attempts to derail everything I've been saying. I guess one can't come forward and admit a bad play anymore, either. In past games that's usually looked on as a good idea, but when it happens other times it's a big no-no. I don't think Rebel is lying. I also don't think Callahan is a pro-town player right now, so the silencer would be mafia. They might not have silenced anyone today, but there's still the possibility of tomorrow. Think of it this way. We're at a 5-3. We don't do anything and we lose a townie at night (since we have no RB) it's 4-3. Someone gets silenced and it goes 3-3 and we can't win. That's why we need to lynch Noble. I wouldn't be this adamant if I was wrong. Hell, If I'm wrong, I'll vow never to play mafia again, because that's how strong I am that Noble is scum. |
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Post by Michael Callahan on Sept 27, 2012 14:51:37 GMT -4
To answer your question Kurt, no I did not silence anyone.
It would not have been advantageous to the town for me to silence anyone at this point so I refrained from using it.
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Post by The Soul Of Philly on Sept 27, 2012 15:06:42 GMT -4
I'm posting from my phone so forgive the typos if any. I'm posting while cjs post about chaos and his vote
Vote: CJ
If there is time when I get home ill explain more why but cjs last post where he said that either we can follow the truth or nobles attempt to derail everything. Plus the fact he just blatantly supports rebel and discredits evidence against him. Normally, if you have info against cj, he plays it straight and tells everyone to follow it if the want, even if it means his side loses as with our 3rd party team with the Simpsons mafia.
But cj is playing this so biased that anything against him, even with proof, is wrong, it has me believe that he's On the verge of winning pushing hard for a mislynch of Kurt
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Post by T-Marv on Sept 27, 2012 16:29:10 GMT -4
I think CJ would play it smarter than that. He wouldn't push so damn hard.
Also, there is someone out there who can give one shot abilities to others. It's time to come clean.
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 16:30:32 GMT -4
First off...
Unvote
Now at least we're actually at a point where we can take our fingers off the 'insta-lynch' button.
I'd like to wait until TJ gets his chance to elaborate on his line of thought. I want to know where that goes.
And hopefully James adds something to this too, even if it's just to check in.
And just to add on this point from CJ, if James has been silenced, unless he is mafia, then the game is already a lost cause 5 votes will never be tallied against a mafia member then.
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Post by Kurt on Sept 27, 2012 16:44:44 GMT -4
I think CJ would play it smarter than that. He wouldn't push so damn hard. Also, there is someone out there who can give one shot abilities to others. It's time to come clean. That was Jeff, judging by his role description. He's dead. And Chaos, James posted earlier today, so no one has been silenced, just as Callahan said. I'm willing to hold off judgment until others speak/elaborate. I think it's pretty clear where I stand. |
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Post by Chaos Stryke on Sept 27, 2012 16:58:10 GMT -4
Right you are Noble. I must have gone right past it.
Jeff was a role-gifter I believe. He could have been responsible for all the one shots up till now, unless there is proof of multiple one shots in play at a time, I suppose.
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Post by T-Marv on Sept 27, 2012 17:04:15 GMT -4
Sorry, I missed his role for some reason. Trying to put the roles together here.
Gates - Claims Encourager.
Callahan - Claims Silencer
TMarv - Watcher
Did I miss anyone?
Unvote
My reason for unvoting..... If Jeff is the gifter and died last night... then there's no way he could have gifted Gates a 1-shot. If he did, then the game is broken. Dead player's actions DONT succeed.
I have to believe Gates is lying here.
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