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Post by "Supersonic" Branden Harvey on Aug 10, 2015 2:06:33 GMT -4
It is rather confusing to me how everyone seems to be soft roleclaiming at the slightest hint of suspicion towards them. Who's roleclaimed? |
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 10, 2015 2:55:11 GMT -4
You have, for one. But I don't want to spell it out in the open in case scum didn't catch it and risk making you a prime target for the night kill. Hence why I believe you to be town. Town that have put us all in jeopardy with your kneejerk roleclaim, but town none the less.
I'm also 95% sure I know at least part of the role Reaver is claiming to be. But I get less town vibes from his motivations for doing so and more "I'm probably the Godfather so go ahead and investigate me because I'll come up innocent" vibes.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Aug 10, 2015 3:00:28 GMT -4
It is rather confusing to me how everyone seems to be soft roleclaiming at the slightest hint of suspicion towards them. Who's roleclaimed? I think he's just been talking about people claiming to be town. In which case the only one I can think of who has done that is you. Though I guess Knucklehead could be soft roleclaiming. What he could be roleclaiming that would dispel suspicion is something entirely lost on me. Everything seems to have died down while we...wait for Cyn to check in I guess? Wait for Rebel to say more than "hi"? Wait for Knuckles to explain wtf he is doing? Well, I know one way to bring people out of the woodwork. Vote: J-RebYou've had two evenings to catch up on what you said you would in one. What'cha got for us, buddy? |
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 10, 2015 3:04:19 GMT -4
I think he's just been talking about people claiming to be town. In which case the only one I can think of who has done that is you. Though I guess Knucklehead could be soft roleclaiming. What he could be roleclaiming that would dispel suspicion is something entirely lost on me. Everything seems to have died down while we...wait for Cyn to check in I guess? Wait for Rebel to say more than "hi"? Wait for Knuckles to explain wtf he is doing? Well, I know one way to bring people out of the woodwork. Vote: J-RebYou've had two evenings to catch up on what you said you would in one. What'cha got for us, buddy? No I actually have a concrete guess as to which roles Reaver and Branden have soft claimed. The only reason I haven't voted Reaver is because if he is what I believe he's saying he is, I'd rather keep that advantage of being able to "make plans outside the game". |
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 10, 2015 3:12:50 GMT -4
Also slightly off topic but relevant, the Mod did mention that only 8 out of 9 players had confirmed their roles. Arkia is also the only player to of not posted thus far and we're nearly 3 OOC days into the game. We might have to consider the possibility that she is either unaware that this game is even going on and/or her health issues have prevented her from even participating in this game in the first place. When you consider the time between roles being sent out, confirmed and the days we've played thus far, Arkia has had almost a full week of not being actively engaged in this game at all. Maybe the Mod should fish for a replacement?
I only mention this because if that's what we're waiting on before deciding a lynch, I think we need to be realistic about the chances that maybe Arkia just isn't going to be checking in at all.
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Post by Kris on Aug 10, 2015 5:14:35 GMT -4
That's a good point. There's nothing about how inactivity is handled in the rules, so-o...
Question For The Mod: What's the policy with inactive players?
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Post by Reaver on Aug 10, 2015 16:35:44 GMT -4
wat i also find funny is the lack of conviction.
i never once said anybody was scum. i said crusher doing wat he was doing was a distraction in which u urself agreed to sally. second, kurt is trying to throw me under the bus for having my opinions. and saying we needed to look at rebel and arkia cuz of their lurking about in this game makes me look bad? cmon now...
and me saying we needed to look at them has also been consistent so how does that make me look bad?
for the record im not claimng anything...
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Post by SalTal on Aug 10, 2015 17:56:15 GMT -4
second, kurt is trying to throw me under the bus for having my opinions. I wouldn't go that far. He just has suspicions about you, like (I would hazard a guess) most people have right now. But I'll leave that to Kurt to confirm or deny. |
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Post by Speede on Aug 10, 2015 19:42:51 GMT -4
Question For The Mod: What's the policy with inactive players?
-This post will be edited with VC shortly.-Vote Count 1.1 Crusher Crenshaw: Branden Harvey [1][L-4] Rebel: Kaji Fireson [1][L-4] Not Voting: Rebel, Kris, Reaver, Kurt, Crusher Crenshaw, SalTal, Arkia Fisk With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. Deadline at 11:59pm eastern on Wednesday, August 12. Rebel and Arkia will be PM'ed as a reminder of the game. |
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 10, 2015 20:03:23 GMT -4
On the topic of Rebel he did say outside the game in a different thread that he's been travelling for 2 days and that the card for Deception would be up tonight. So that might explain his "lurking" so to speak.
I'd say the reason you're looking suspicious to me Reaver is that you're so adamant about waiting on Rebel (and then Arkia after being called out on the fact that she was inactive too) before you were willing to share some "EWC" insights into this game. As well as the statement of "Go ahead and investigate me" is either bad town play or a Godfather scumploy.
Since you say you're not claiming anything I'll cease being vague. I thought you were trying to claim Masons with Rebel. Which would explain why you were saying "Making plans outside the game" because then you would have some sort of outside chat ability with Rebel, which would also explain why you've been so desperately waiting for him thus bringing this game to a grinding halt until we heard from your partner.
Since that's apparently not the case the only way I can interpret you making plans outside the game is that you're scum.
Vote: Reaver
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Post by "Supersonic" Branden Harvey on Aug 10, 2015 20:51:15 GMT -4
For once, i agree with Crusher.
Unvote
Vote: Reaver
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Post by Kris on Aug 10, 2015 22:20:00 GMT -4
Which would explain why you were saying "Making plans outside the game" because then you would have some sort of outside chat ability with Rebel, which would also explain why you've been so desperately waiting for him thus bringing this game to a grinding halt until we heard from your partner. I think what's more telling is that, after Reaver said that? Speede didn't modkill him. I only hesitate in throwing down a vote because there's one possibility that would screw the town over; the Weasley Twins. The two of them being connected in-game would make sense--and they are mentioned in the Day One intro post by name. However, there are far more than nine people mentioned in it. How much should we try to draw from that? |
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Post by Reaver on Aug 10, 2015 22:43:32 GMT -4
On the topic of Rebel he did say outside the game in a different thread that he's been travelling for 2 days and that the card for Deception would be up tonight. So that might explain his "lurking" so to speak. I'd say the reason you're looking suspicious to me Reaver is that you're so adamant about waiting on Rebel (and then Arkia after being called out on the fact that she was inactive too) before you were willing to share some "EWC" insights into this game. As well as the statement of "Go ahead and investigate me" is either bad town play or a Godfather scumploy. Since you say you're not claiming anything I'll cease being vague. I thought you were trying to claim Masons with Rebel. Which would explain why you were saying "Making plans outside the game" because then you would have some sort of outside chat ability with Rebel, which would also explain why you've been so desperately waiting for him thus bringing this game to a grinding halt until we heard from your partner. Since that's apparently not the case the only way I can interpret you making plans outside the game is that you're scum. Vote: Reaveri was referring to the picnic i planned and went on with my family hence OUTSIDE OF GAME. ya no? something to NOT do with the game? smh..... Kris: u might be onto something with the weasly twins but considering its only 9 people i would think the main characters would be more involved where as the twins were more of side characters. so if anything that gives us: harry hermione (sp?) ron voldemort draco prof. serverus dumbledore bellatrix dolores umbridge i think this would prolly make the most sense in a game of 9. would give us 2 main villians as scum plus 1 sk from the ministry OR if there is no 3rd party sk type it may be draco also scum with a possible neville as town? if that makes any sense? again this is just a guess |
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 11, 2015 0:31:28 GMT -4
Which would explain why you were saying "Making plans outside the game" because then you would have some sort of outside chat ability with Rebel, which would also explain why you've been so desperately waiting for him thus bringing this game to a grinding halt until we heard from your partner. I think what's more telling is that, after Reaver said that? Speede didn't modkill him. I only hesitate in throwing down a vote because there's one possibility that would screw the town over; the Weasley Twins. The two of them being connected in-game would make sense--and they are mentioned in the Day One intro post by name. However, there are far more than nine people mentioned in it. How much should we try to draw from that? Take a look at Brandens earlier posts and see if you don't see what I see in regards to twins. |
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Post by SalTal on Aug 11, 2015 6:06:57 GMT -4
Honest to God, lynch me and two town will be dead. Three, if you count the scum kill. I take it you're referring t o this claim, Crusher? |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Aug 11, 2015 9:04:14 GMT -4
Reading back through the thread- I think Crenshaw and Harvey stick out to me as people who need to be watched. I'm a proponent of not voting anybody night one because we're really fishing in the dark. However, the game screams - "Hey, let's act like we're not working together so they won't be suspicious of us."
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Post by Reaver on Aug 11, 2015 9:56:02 GMT -4
Reading back through the thread- I think Crenshaw and Harvey stick out to me as people who need to be watched. I'm a proponent of not voting anybody night one because we're really fishing in the dark. However, the game screams - "Hey, let's act like we're not working together so they won't be suspicious of us." wat i also find funny is they both instantly voted for me back to back. it may not be typical crusher play but its certainly harvey play. |
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Post by Reaver on Aug 11, 2015 9:57:40 GMT -4
oh and happy belated sally, i assume it was yesterday?
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 11, 2015 13:55:11 GMT -4
Reading back through the thread- I think Crenshaw and Harvey stick out to me as people who need to be watched. I'm a proponent of not voting anybody night one because we're really fishing in the dark. However, the game screams - "Hey, let's act like we're not working together so they won't be suspicious of us." So no comments on the Reaver/Kurt interactions, or accusations that you may in fact be Reavers scum partner? Interesting that you'd suggest a no lynch Day 1 considering your buddy who's been waiting for you all day is the closest one to getting lynched. Well at least now that we've heard what it looks like we're gonna hear from Rebel I'd like some of this promised EWC insights from Reaver before Day 1 ends, lynch or no lynch. And since Sally's went ahead and just lambasted us with a direct quote everyone should see what I'm talking about in regards to Branden. So now since there's no hope in keeping the cat in the bag I'll have to agree with Rebel that maybe no lynch is the best option today to minimize our losses in case Branden gets targeted with a kill tonight. |
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Post by arkiafisk on Aug 11, 2015 14:04:00 GMT -4
1. I am here this is my like 3rd Mafia game ever in life
2. I'm scared
3. My ankle is still quite unstable and painful
4. I'm scared
5. I find us doing a lot of the back and forth but not coming to much but hey what do I know I'm the virgin of virgins when it comez to this
6. All of you tryin to kick me out for not showing up can kiss my scared ass. Cause you know I'm scared.
7. And a lot of you guys are looking kinda meanie.
8. Oh and I do have the Charisma of Jesus Christ.
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 11, 2015 14:06:10 GMT -4
1. I am here this is my like 3rd Mafia game ever in life 2. I'm scared 3. My ankle is still quite unstable and painful 4. I'm scared 5. I find us doing a lot of the back and forth but not coming to much but hey what do I know I'm the virgin of virgins when it comez to this 6. All of you tryin to kick me out for not showing up can kiss my scared ass. Cause you know I'm scared. 7. And a lot of you guys are looking kinda meanie. 8. Oh and I do have the Charisma of Jesus Christ. I nominate Arkia for town leader. We need Jesus. |
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Post by Reaver on Aug 11, 2015 16:17:14 GMT -4
1. I am here this is my like 3rd Mafia game ever in life 2. I'm scared 3. My ankle is still quite unstable and painful 4. I'm scared 5. I find us doing a lot of the back and forth but not coming to much but hey what do I know I'm the virgin of virgins when it comez to this 6. All of you tryin to kick me out for not showing up can kiss my scared ass. Cause you know I'm scared. 7. And a lot of you guys are looking kinda meanie. 8. Oh and I do have the Charisma of Jesus Christ. I nominate Arkia for town leader. We need Jesus. ur play has been odd all game crusher and im not liking it |
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Post by Kurt on Aug 11, 2015 16:59:25 GMT -4
wat i also find funny is the lack of conviction. i never once said anybody was scum. i said crusher doing wat he was doing was a distraction in which u urself agreed to sally. second, kurt is trying to throw me under the bus for having my opinions. and saying we needed to look at rebel and arkia cuz of their lurking about in this game makes me look bad? cmon now... and me saying we needed to look at them has also been consistent so how does that make me look bad? for the record im not claimng anything... You are missing the point. I am not suspicious of you because you said someone was Mafia. I am not suspicious of you for "having an opinion" (which is a moot point because this game is based around opinions, and everyone has one - including Crusher). I am suspicious of you because you are playing middle ground with both of those concepts. You push towards people, but only once the heat has started or in a way that doesn't tie to you (aka pushing towards Rebel). You have opinions, but they're hardly descriptive or point-seeking. They're just...there. They're bandwagons, and it makes me comfortable enough to vote for you after all this time. I mean, you even said what I was doing was "raising red flags" and was "throwing you under the bus," but you've failed to elaborate on either. I called out your questionable behavior - what red flags does that bring? Your answer determines whether you have my vote today. |
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Post by Reaver on Aug 11, 2015 18:48:22 GMT -4
wat i also find funny is the lack of conviction. i never once said anybody was scum. i said crusher doing wat he was doing was a distraction in which u urself agreed to sally. second, kurt is trying to throw me under the bus for having my opinions. and saying we needed to look at rebel and arkia cuz of their lurking about in this game makes me look bad? cmon now... and me saying we needed to look at them has also been consistent so how does that make me look bad? for the record im not claimng anything... You are missing the point. I am not suspicious of you because you said someone was Mafia. I am not suspicious of you for "having an opinion" (which is a moot point because this game is based around opinions, and everyone has one - including Crusher). I am suspicious of you because you are playing middle ground with both of those concepts. You push towards people, but only once the heat has started or in a way that doesn't tie to you (aka pushing towards Rebel). You have opinions, but they're hardly descriptive or point-seeking. They're just...there. They're bandwagons, and it makes me comfortable enough to vote for you after all this time. I mean, you even said what I was doing was "raising red flags" and was "throwing you under the bus," but you've failed to elaborate on either. I called out your questionable behavior - what red flags does that bring? Your answer determines whether you have my vote today. i can care less about ur vote ITS DAY 1 or did u forget? theres NOTHING to go on other than speculation and the fact that u keep pushing me with nothing makes YOU look scum. THIS post is y u keep the suspicion and where did it come from? cuz i questioned crushers motives? cuz i questioned rebels inactivity? or maybe its cuz ur pushing for a town lynch on me? my play has been consistent and focused towards crushers erratic and irrational attacks on branden, kris and now me. his vote has changed 3 times which makes my suspicions valid where as ur suspicions on me r completely flawed and misguided. i may have been a while but i still no ur gameplay and this isnt u when ur town. vote: kurtim willing to bet that ur scum mates with crusher which is y ur so adamant to defend him so hard to point the finger at me. if i had been lurking as much as rebel, would we even b having this convo? |
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Post by Kurt on Aug 11, 2015 19:12:27 GMT -4
"i can care less about ur vote"
Okie dokie.
"ITS DAY 1 or did u forget? theres NOTHING to go on other than speculation and the fact that u keep pushing me with nothing makes YOU look scum."
Nothing? People's behavior is the whole crux of the game. Night actions are merely meant to augment suspicions and fill in the gaps. How many APW games have been won on pure night actions with no analysis of people's behaviors? Zero.
"THIS post is y u keep the suspicion and where did it come from? cuz i questioned crushers motives? cuz i questioned rebels inactivity? or maybe its cuz ur pushing for a town lynch on me? my play has been consistent and focused towards crushers erratic and irrational attacks on branden, kris and now me."
Please see the above post. You have yet to address the subtle bandwagoning.
"his vote has changed 3 times which makes my suspicions valid where as ur suspicions on me r completely flawed and misguided. i may have been a while but i still no ur gameplay and this isnt u when ur town."
I have already stated (on the first page, I believe) that Crusher's gameplay screams overzealous townie. Notice the moment he starts off, multiple people jumped in to note his behavior - the bandwagon of suspicion started, and you were the most suspicious of the lot.
I avoid doing anything to draw suspicion on Day 1 when I play Mafia, where it was Mafia Mafia, Justified Mafia, Heroes Mafia, or any other game I was on the Mafia. If you are Mafia, I draw a large target on my back for pinpointing you. If I'm wrong, you had better bet Day 2 will be pushing a case against me. If it happens, it happens - but there's very little that leads me to believe you are a town member.
"im willing to bet that ur scum mates with crusher which is y ur so adamant to defend him so hard to point the finger at me. if i had been lurking as much as rebel, would we even b having this convo?"
I hope you're not a betting man.
I feel solid on this one. For tonight, if we have a doctor - do not bother protecting me. In the scenario I laid out above, it's likely I'll make it to the next day one way or another.
Vote: Knuckles
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Post by Reaver on Aug 11, 2015 19:52:54 GMT -4
"i can care less about ur vote"Okie dokie. "ITS DAY 1 or did u forget? theres NOTHING to go on other than speculation and the fact that u keep pushing me with nothing makes YOU look scum."Nothing? People's behavior is the whole crux of the game. Night actions are merely meant to augment suspicions and fill in the gaps. How many APW games have been won on pure night actions with no analysis of people's behaviors? Zero. "THIS post is y u keep the suspicion and where did it come from? cuz i questioned crushers motives? cuz i questioned rebels inactivity? or maybe its cuz ur pushing for a town lynch on me? my play has been consistent and focused towards crushers erratic and irrational attacks on branden, kris and now me."Please see the above post. You have yet to address the subtle bandwagoning. "his vote has changed 3 times which makes my suspicions valid where as ur suspicions on me r completely flawed and misguided. i may have been a while but i still no ur gameplay and this isnt u when ur town."I have already stated (on the first page, I believe) that Crusher's gameplay screams overzealous townie. Notice the moment he starts off, multiple people jumped in to note his behavior - the bandwagon of suspicion started, and you were the most suspicious of the lot. I avoid doing anything to draw suspicion on Day 1 when I play Mafia, where it was Mafia Mafia, Justified Mafia, Heroes Mafia, or any other game I was on the Mafia. If you are Mafia, I draw a large target on my back for pinpointing you. If I'm wrong, you had better bet Day 2 will be pushing a case against me. If it happens, it happens - but there's very little that leads me to believe you are a town member. "im willing to bet that ur scum mates with crusher which is y ur so adamant to defend him so hard to point the finger at me. if i had been lurking as much as rebel, would we even b having this convo?"I hope you're not a betting man. I feel solid on this one. For tonight, if we have a doctor - do not bother protecting me. In the scenario I laid out above, it's likely I'll make it to the next day one way or another.
Vote: Knuckles yes i am, unfortunately ur roll is wrong and WHEN i pull up town, im also willing to bet that ur excuse will be, "well knuckles got himself lynched with his bad play" smh, i expected better from u kurt. then again WHEN u do flip scum, u played a good game. or at least the band wagon voters will help. 9 people, 3 scum (assuming) all on me then ud just need to convice 2 people to believe ur bs. |
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 11, 2015 19:59:22 GMT -4
ur play has been odd all game crusher and im not liking it You're going to have to elaborate as to what about my play disturbs you. I've already explained in boring detail about how I throw my vote around because it's the only weapon we have to fight scum. I use my Vote the way you guys apparently use FoS' to add pressure. So that's more of a difference of mafia culture shock on my part which calling me scummy for is as valid as when I was calling you guys scummy for using FoS' in the first place. Saying you don't give a damn about peoples votes is incredibly anti-town because if you were innocent you would NOT want to be lynched. Especially if you subscribe to their being 3 mafia. Speaking of votes, I should point out that Reaver is at L-2 with Kurts vote. Everyone should put that into consideration. |
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Post by Crusher Crenshaw on Aug 11, 2015 20:07:07 GMT -4
Still waiting on those EWC insights into the game by the way.
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Post by Reaver on Aug 11, 2015 20:12:40 GMT -4
"i can care less about ur vote"Okie dokie. "ITS DAY 1 or did u forget? theres NOTHING to go on other than speculation and the fact that u keep pushing me with nothing makes YOU look scum."Nothing? People's behavior is the whole crux of the game. Night actions are merely meant to augment suspicions and fill in the gaps. How many APW games have been won on pure night actions with no analysis of people's behaviors? Zero. "THIS post is y u keep the suspicion and where did it come from? cuz i questioned crushers motives? cuz i questioned rebels inactivity? or maybe its cuz ur pushing for a town lynch on me? my play has been consistent and focused towards crushers erratic and irrational attacks on branden, kris and now me."Please see the above post. You have yet to address the subtle bandwagoning. "his vote has changed 3 times which makes my suspicions valid where as ur suspicions on me r completely flawed and misguided. i may have been a while but i still no ur gameplay and this isnt u when ur town."I have already stated (on the first page, I believe) that Crusher's gameplay screams overzealous townie. Notice the moment he starts off, multiple people jumped in to note his behavior - the bandwagon of suspicion started, and you were the most suspicious of the lot. I avoid doing anything to draw suspicion on Day 1 when I play Mafia, where it was Mafia Mafia, Justified Mafia, Heroes Mafia, or any other game I was on the Mafia. If you are Mafia, I draw a large target on my back for pinpointing you. If I'm wrong, you had better bet Day 2 will be pushing a case against me. If it happens, it happens - but there's very little that leads me to believe you are a town member. wat r u doing now then? ur drawing suspicion to urself by pushing a lynch on me KNOWING my gameplay while crushers gameplay is excused. subtle bandwagoning? look at the pot calling the kettle black. ur play has been the worst thus far with crusher being a close second. again, ur defending him a lil TOO hard. call it overzealous noob play all u like but facts r facts. u avoid anything to draw suspicion on day 1 yet here we r kurt. fighting tooth n nail on day 1. wat a kick in the balls it will be only to find out its town vs town? sept i dont believe ur town. but u go ahead and lynch me then watch the egg on ur face as u try to explain y u lead the lynch on another townie.... |
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Post by Reaver on Aug 11, 2015 20:16:34 GMT -4
Still waiting on those EWC insights into the game by the way. wat does this have to do with the here and now? crusher, i dunno where u learned to play mafia but how we play here (and in efk) if gauging peoples reactions to what others do. u immediately snapped at people when they proposed a different theory than u then kurt rushes to defend u by calling it "over zealous". to me personally, that sounds like a vet coming to the rescue of a noob on the same team. both of ur reactions have proven me right thus far. |
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