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Post by President Jeff on Sept 30, 2011 18:32:21 GMT -4
Good point CJ, didn't think of that.
So yah, I'm down for voting Pence.
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Post by SalTal on Sept 30, 2011 22:49:59 GMT -4
Quick question Jeff: What was the name of your tag team with Dr. Matt?
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Post by C.J. Gates on Sept 30, 2011 22:53:36 GMT -4
Ooo, good catch, Sally. I actually remember reading it (when .tk was down, I kept getting in through a link to Rasslemania VI and decided to read it lol). His tag team was Perfect Storm...
Would it be too obvious for Lester to have given the Dr. Matt character the doctor role? And if that's the case, and if we can take what Pence and Branden are saying as truth, then that would mean....
Vote: President Jeff
It's not fool proof but it might be the best we've got right now, I'd think.
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Post by Kurt on Sept 30, 2011 23:02:28 GMT -4
again ill re-itterate wat i said before, noble and JC are both people i suspect due to the fact of their lack of activity but more so for the fact that they have not bothered voting. now that pence is in the mix, i believe our 3 mafia guys are: pence noble jc look back at what has been said thus far. pence was awful quick to throw out ,(angrily was how i read his statement), that he "hinted" at being the town doctor. very suspicious. noble has YET to say anything about my accusations as well as JC. doesnt matter how much more active noble is over JC but the fact is, neither have denied it or provided suitable evidence contrary to the fact. ill throw out my first vote and go.... vote: NOBLE So it's day four...and we're talking about lynching people because of absences? That's kind of funny, to be honest. I've been more active than Blade and JC, yet I'm on the chopping block for inactivity. Keep in mind, I haven't been on the boards ALL day today and the night phase did end up lasting a bit longer than expected. But okay Knuckles, I'll roll with it. Since you want to talk voting, and since I "don't vote," let's talk about voting. Day one, I didn't vote...because it's day 1. Day 2, you voted for Harvey (who I don't think is scum, and now YOU don't think is scum), and then voted for ASP right after I did...so we voted for the same person...You even posted that you "agreed with my reasoning" as the reason for lynching ASP! Day 3...NEITHER of us voted. I wanted to vote for Pence, but didn't feel right after posting it. Seriously, I think the mentality of "You're scum because you're voting for me" is stupid, but your reasoning is hella scummy to me Knuckles when you look at it. You have voted for one other person than I have, if I'm seeing correctly. Honestly...I still think Pence is kind of scummy, but you just sent up more red flags than he did...and you're also one of the people that was on the ASP lynch-wagon like I listed before. I didn't vote for Pence because I didn't feel I had enough to go off of afterwards, because like I said earlier, we ALWAYS lynch the most obvious person and it gets us nowhere. You said you were blocked, but instantly jumped on Pence for it after looking like the most obvious lynch for the day. I thought of you on the fence for the last day phase, and now I think you're scum. The difference between us is that I'm voting you based on what you're saying...you're voting me based on what I'm supposedly not saying. Vote: Knuckles I'll have another post tomorrow summing up my thoughts on this whole Brandon thing. |
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Post by Reaver on Oct 1, 2011 1:02:50 GMT -4
HA HA touche noble but my vote doesnt change. if it does then it may go to jeff, but till i deem necessary, it stays.
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Post by Level-Two on Oct 1, 2011 2:24:47 GMT -4
Current vote count:
2: Kurt Noble (Knuckles, Kaji)
2: President Jeff (Pence, CJ Gates)
1: Pence (Branden Harvey)
1: Knuckles (Kurt Noble)
Not voting: President Jeff, JC, Sally Talfourd, Blade
With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Post by Blade on Oct 1, 2011 4:10:22 GMT -4
Ok, so here's the deal.
Branden is convinced because of information he got at the start of the game that either Pence or Jeff is scum. I cannot think what kind of role would get that unless he is a lyncher. It is unusual to recieve that kind of information especially if the scum was outnumbered 11-3.
So here's where i see it going.
We Lynch Pence and he comes back town. Branden then has wiggle room to say "oh my bad, it must be Jeff then" trying to save him again.
Plus this thing with Knuckles makes me think that he and branden are somehow working together; it was all too easy how knuckles diverged the information that branden was town, when there was no need to out himself.
Potentially, we have a game breaker both good an bad here.
We follow Branden with a pence lynch, potentially a town and another town tonight, then tomorrow we are stuck with "Well is branden bullshitting us, or is Jeff scum."
That is the worst case scenario, and it is a matter of how much we trust branden
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Post by President Jeff on Oct 1, 2011 7:01:55 GMT -4
Knuckles, who did you investigate last night?
Also, CJ, what does having Dr. Matt's and My team name being called The Perfect Storm having to do with me being scum?
But Blade does make a very good point of Knuckles and Branden working together. After 3 nights, Knuckles has only cleared Branden, and Mafia hasn't killed Knuckles. You'd think Mafia would killed who ever the cop is to keep him from getting any info on anyone.
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Post by President Jeff on Oct 1, 2011 7:07:22 GMT -4
HA HA touche noble but my vote doesnt change. if it does then it may go to jeff, but till i deem necessary, it stays. How do you go from Suspecting Pence, JC and Noble, to then saying you'll Lynch me if you change your vote. You gonna jump on a band wagon to blend in with the town Your on my suspect list Knuckles. I'm thinking you don't even have a cop role and cleared Branden because you two are working together |
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Oct 1, 2011 9:02:55 GMT -4
For the record, Kurt, I suspected you because of your sudden onset inactivity, not just base inactivity. I fully recognize that Blade, JC, and probably Pence have been more inactive than you overall. All I'm saying is the moment you started getting suspicion, you suddenly vanished?
However, you are back, so at least for now, I will
Unvote
I won't put one back until I see a good option for lynching, and with my unvote, that means Jeff has the most votes of anyone...and I'm sorry, but I can't justify lynching him based on Branden's voodoo list of names or whatever the fuck.
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Post by Nick Watson on Oct 1, 2011 10:16:59 GMT -4
Maybe they couldn't kill them because of something...just saying if someone is the town doctor then why wouldn't they protect the town cop? Also, you were all for this voodoo list earlier Jeff, but now I can see your responses have gotten a bit more defensive...it is as if you have something to hide and are grasping at straws to keep that thing hidden. My vote is standing, if you are a town then you are town, but if this lynch gets us rid of the first scum in this game...then it only helps us. I mean you were all for a Pence lynch, you said it yourself, and why not right? I've been acting a tad bit scummy, right? I mean I could be blowing smoke up everyone's ass right now, right? Its not like I could possibly be a town with a role, you know I'm under the inclanation to believe Harvey, want to know why? Because he had his list from the start of the game. Why do you think he has been so heavy on you Jeff...it wasn't just stupidity this time it was simple and true logic. Then he switched his vote to me after getting "evidence" that you were town. Now, I will say this...I don't believe for a second you are a town. You've changed your feelings toward things too often to be a town...first you are for this list lynch and then it changes into you are not for it, but now you want to lynch Harvey.
Sure, Harvey has been suspicious, but what the hell is new! He always acts suspicious and so do I...it is our play styles that make it suspicious. As for you...your flipping and flopping on this subject, a subject you were initially for, but decided to change your game plan once the accusations flipped was enough of a tell tale sign to me as it should be for everyone else. So lets get to voting folks against our first scum.
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Post by President Jeff on Oct 1, 2011 10:26:57 GMT -4
I never said I want still for Branden's voodoo list. If we're going by Branden's list, then you are 100% scum, no questions ask. Which means, there are 2 other scums and I'm throwing out possibilitys.
I am town and I think I can prove it, because with my role, I don't think Scum can have it cause it would put Scum at a huge advantage. But in order for me to prove it, we gotta Lynch someone, and that someone is Pence. If Pence comes out town, then we Lynch Branden as he's given us some major false information.
Right now, Its me or Pence, only difference between his word and mine, I believe can prove that I'm town. This will probably get me Killed by the Mafia tonight, which I hope someone can protect me tonight, but if it helps getting rid of one scum, then I've done my part to help the town
Vote: Pence
For this to clear my name from scum, we must wait for Lester to post the list of who's voting
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Post by Kurt on Oct 1, 2011 10:47:56 GMT -4
Okay guys, I think after looking over stuff, I have a plan...
So Knuckles has cleared Branden, right? And Branden is pointing fingers at Pence/Jeff, saying that one of them is scum?
So the chain of action goes Knuckles > Branden > Jeff/Pence
So let's work that chain.
If we lynch Knuckles, and he comes up scum, we have no reason to trust Branden, and can almost single-handedly confirm BOTH Pence and Jeff as town. Could prove the link that they're working together..
If we lynch Knuckles and he comes up town, then we can trust his clearing of Branden and move towards a Pence/Jeff lynch.
Lynching just Pence of Jeff is working from the bottom of the ladder, and if one doesn't come up as scum, we have pretty much nothing to go on except Branden's word still. Of course, if one of them comes up scum, I suppose that we could clear the other + Harvey + Knuckles, but that puts us in an awkward voting situation for today in having to pick between one or the other without knowing if the info is even somewhat reliable.
So, I think we should vote Knuckles OR Branden. I know I said I felt Branden was town, but this new info + Knuckles reading puts a perspective on things.
If Branden comes up as scum, no reason to trust Knuckles + clears Pence/Jeff.
He comes up as town, the opposite occurs.
So guys, I personally don't think we should work from the bottom of the chain with Jeff...we should be working from higher up to gain more info through lynching someone. That's my thought at least.
I mean, I know the plan has some obvious pitfalls (Knuckles being an insane cop, Harvey possibly being the Godfather, etc.), but it's better than blindly picking between Jeff and Pence, and getting possibly nothing if we're wrong.
I probably made a logic mistake somewhere in here...so someone let me know if they find one, ha.
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Post by President Jeff on Oct 1, 2011 11:06:28 GMT -4
But if we Lynch Pence and he comes up Scum, then we know that Branden and Knuckles should be town
If we vote Knuckles and he comes up town cop, then that screws us. (I still want to know who he investigated last night)
If we vote Branden, and he comes out town, then we know Knuckles is a townie and that still leaves the suspecion on Me and Pence based on Branden's info.
I've made up my mind here. I'm going after pence, if he comes up town, if I'm still alive, I'm going after Branden for giving wrong info. If Branden's info is correct, Pence is your scum people.
Anyone notice that Pence only speaks when the pressure is put on him. He's been Quiet the whole game, not adding much. Claiming to have a role that hasn't helpped us at all. And now he's gunning after me to buy him another day because he knows he's scum
At this point, Either Branden or Pence is scum, and if Knuckles isn't an insane cop and did really investigate Branden on night 2, then Pence is your man.
Knuckles still never investigated himself, so there's still a chance he's an insane cop, could be the reason why Mafia didn't try to kill him last night, they know he got wrong info maybe.
Vote Pence people, if he comes up town, vote Branden
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Post by C.J. Gates on Oct 1, 2011 11:13:24 GMT -4
Jeff - Your tag team would make you scum if what Branden is saying is true. If one of you or Pence is scum, then I'd be inclined to say you are. Pence has been leaving hints of Perfect Storm in his posts, as well as claiming to be a doctorish type role...which would make me believe he's Dr. Matt. And if Branden is telling the truth, and one of you is scum, I doubt Dr. Matt is scum...
I think might Kurt have a point. If we go for Pence or Jeff, then we might not really be getting any answers and simply just creating more questions. I'd be down for voting Knuckles or Branden if it will help us get a lynch, but which one do we go for? There are at least 4 different people that have targets on their backs right now and not all of them can be scum, if any of them.
I'm going to keep my vote on Jeff right now, until Lester updates the vote list. If Jeff's story holds true, and he doesn't have a vote or can't vote until the hammer, then I don't see him being scum (makes no sense for the scum to have a character that can't vote). But we will have to wait and see.
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Post by Nick Watson on Oct 1, 2011 11:23:43 GMT -4
He could be Nathaniel Havok. Think about it, maybe he doesn't vote because of conspiracies and didn't he just vote anyway?
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Post by President Jeff on Oct 1, 2011 11:28:10 GMT -4
Just because Pence has been hinting at being a doctor and using hints of being Dr. Matt, doesn't prove anything. We don't know if theres a Dr. Matt character in this game. Matt hasn't been the only person who was in APW with the name Doctor. We had a guy here once named Doctor Phate, former World Champion.
If Pence is a doctor, he doesn't have any information proving that I'm scum, doesn't matter what hints he puts out there. Doctors don't get that kind of info. All Doctors can do is protect people from being killed, and thats something Pence hasn't been able to do. Why, maybe its because he isn't a doctor. For all we know he's really Biggs, Sally or Havok and there's no doctor role.
Eitherway, I'm will to change my vote from Pence to Branden. Eitherway, I can guarantee it right now that either Pence or Branden is scum
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Post by C.J. Gates on Oct 1, 2011 11:28:55 GMT -4
I'm sure he could write a vote down, but if he is the hammer/no vote, then it wouldn't count. He could vote till he's blue in the face.
And if the scum have a role where someone can't vote, then things aren't as dire as we thought they were. It it was an 11-3 split, and one couldn't vote (or not till the hammer which could be useless) it would have been 11-2...just saying that if he comes up as not being able to vote, I'd lean toward him as being town instead of scum.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Oct 1, 2011 11:30:50 GMT -4
EBWOP Maybe they couldn't kill them because of something...just saying if someone is the town doctor then why wouldn't they protect the town cop? Remembered this. If the doctor protected the cop and the mafia tried to kill the cop, it would show up in the write ups as a failed night kill. Unless the mafia is assuming that the doctor would protect Knuckles and isn't even going to target him until the doctor is dead. Assuming Knuckles IS the cop. |
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Oct 1, 2011 11:45:45 GMT -4
Just because Pence has been hinting at being a doctor and using hints of being Dr. Matt, doesn't prove anything. We don't know if theres a Dr. Matt character in this gameJames Chambers barfed onto the table and collapsed to the floor. His body convulsing in a disturbing manner. Dr. Matt; dressed in a suit comes to the aide of his freind but he couldn't be saved. James Chambers was airlifted to the hospital; his professional wrestling career, in question. Dr. Matt is a role. Whether that means Pence is Dr. Matt, well that remains to be seen, because he could easily be trying to convince us he's the doctor when he's really not, but I just felt that needed to be brought up. As for Kurt's plan, I like it. It's not without flaws, as he himself brought up, but I like it better than sitting around twiddling my thumbs or just stabbing at darkness, hoping it's a mafioso that gets hit. Because I really didn't like this whole voodoo list premise to start with, I'm laying down a vote for Branden. Vote: Branden Harvey |
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Post by Reaver on Oct 1, 2011 11:46:37 GMT -4
i feel the same way about how noble how he shows up randomly and pushes for a lynch to take pressure off himself. i thought it was clear that i was blocked last nite didnt i? o well. the fact is, somebody could also be the traitor. i read back some of the southpark mafia thread and realized that not just 3 mafia could be around but more so that it would be 3 1/2 if ya count the traitor being partial mafia or so. branden was checked clean where as pence came up blocked. as far as being suspect jeff, EVERYBODY is suspect to me its just a matter of to what degree. trust me when i tell ya that wat i was trying to say was that i wouldnt put it past u to be scum but ur not high on the priority list....yet.
but u guys go ahead and lynch me if u feel the urge. ull see i am who i say i am. i still think jc belong on that list of scum. but hey we will see.
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Post by President Jeff on Oct 1, 2011 11:52:47 GMT -4
Just because Pence has been hinting at being a doctor and using hints of being Dr. Matt, doesn't prove anything. We don't know if theres a Dr. Matt character in this gameJames Chambers barfed onto the table and collapsed to the floor. His body convulsing in a disturbing manner. Dr. Matt; dressed in a suit comes to the aide of his freind but he couldn't be saved. James Chambers was airlifted to the hospital; his professional wrestling career, in question. Dr. Matt is a role. Whether that means Pence is Dr. Matt, well that remains to be seen, because he could easily be trying to convince us he's the doctor when he's really not, but I just felt that needed to be brought up. As for Kurt's plan, I like it. It's not without flaws, as he himself brought up, but I like it better than sitting around twiddling my thumbs or just stabbing at darkness, hoping it's a mafioso that gets hit. Because I really didn't like this whole voodoo list premise to start with, I'm laying down a vote for Branden. Vote: Branden HarveyI dunno how I missed that. Maybe I should go back and read the write up more carefully. And Knuckles, your not high on my scum list. Chances are, your probably a cop and with that info out now, theres a role blocker in the mafia who's probably gonna block you the rest of the game. My only worry about you is rather your a normal cop or an insane cop. And we don't know since you never investigated yourself. If what Pence is saying is true and he is a doctor and is Dr. Matt, then Branden is scum. Maybe Pence we should, instead of going after each other, team up and go after Branden. |
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Post by Reaver on Oct 1, 2011 12:00:58 GMT -4
well there WAS a point where branden flat out said that you convinced him that u were town. how did u do that? and what role could he have been if he was given 3 names in the beginning and come up clean when checked?
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Post by President Jeff on Oct 1, 2011 12:04:02 GMT -4
Honestly, I don't know how I convinced him, that's something you'll have to ask Branden what made him think I'm town.
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Post by Reaver on Oct 1, 2011 12:07:04 GMT -4
well branden? ive read back and dont get it.
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Post by brandenharvey on Oct 1, 2011 12:23:04 GMT -4
It was so long ago that I don't even remember.
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Post by Reaver on Oct 1, 2011 12:31:44 GMT -4
hell.....i guess that clears THAT up..................
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Post by Blade on Oct 1, 2011 13:12:13 GMT -4
!WARNING!The following post may help to reduce your IQ. It knocked mine back by 5 points!Here is what confuses the hell out of me with Branden and his "role" and also a Q&A question time for a few of you. Branden has the name of 3 people right? 1 of which is definitely scum Ok so you think Branden would actually use his knowledge to actually try and scum hunt, maybe give us some logical reasoning as to why we should lynch one of these, right? Wrong. Branden on Jeff day 1:His response for most of day 1 Sure day 1 can be monotonous, but you seem overly eager just to get a lynch. You have a massive hard on for Jeff, yet at the end of the day, you dont care who gets lynched do you? You gave nothing apart from being stubborn and sticking by your guns. To me, and hopefully to anyone else, this looks like a massive game of Branden vs Jeff day one shenanigans. Ok, I can give you that, however, day 2? Surely you will try something else? right? Branden on Jeff Day 2:Branden Response when questioned who he things is scum (paraphrased) Again, no real reasoning. You have yet to offer anything to the game as to why Jeff is scum. You deny it is a gut feeling, but all you actually offer is a gut feeling (remember at this point we have no knowledge that you have potentially 3 names of which 1 is scum) Day Three: ConfusionBranden, you are confused as fuck. You act like a player with no information at all. You are unsure of Jeff then you dont have a clue, then BOOM~! Pence is your scum. Do you follow this still, because I believe Branden to be Full of BS. However, This by itself does not make me believe he is 100% scum. However, I will ask these questions. @branden, why not atleast try and deliver sensible and justified reasoning for Jeff or Pence? You obviously had no idea and this is some magical story you have made up. Reaver, Why clear branden when he had 1 vote on him? Why out your role so early when pressured by Jeff? @branden/Knuckles, Are you to alligned in some way? because it really seems like you two are leading us around in circles and are creating nothing more than a mere distraction. But you both somehow manage to follow each other like sheep in the voting. My vote at the end of the day will go on Branden or Knuckles. Its just a matter of time to decide which one
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Post by Reaver on Oct 1, 2011 13:35:14 GMT -4
no alignment, just common sense unless im just being a newb. the fact is, when i checked harvey it was clean which is y i asked the question above about which role would give branden all of those abilities?
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Post by Blade on Oct 1, 2011 13:41:05 GMT -4
And I already said earlier. None that I could think of. (In my first post this day phase)
The only one I can think of that could be feasible is a lyncher who has failed his first target, and is not onto his second.
And Knuckles (I may have missed this) If you can clear branden, then you must also be able to clear 3 other people (one from night 1, 2 and 4?)
At the moment I am adding 2+2 up and getting Branden
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