SAW Mafia Game Thread

[jc]

Not ignoring your post james. I just think you are safe for the moment. You claim to be a miller now, which doesn't matter since there is no cop to investigate you now anyway. Killing you now would be stupid for the scum, particularly knuckles if he is indeed scum, because then it proves what you said is true and knuckles is as good as lynched.

[Phil Atken]

I'm dithering back and forth on James' claim. In one regard, a miller makes sense (if our cop was alive anyway). He gets given a scum and then if anyone bothers to investigate him, he turns up as scum himself.

My slight reservation with that is, if James was to prove his role to be true, and knuckles was scum, would anyone really bother to investigate him? He just proved himself. (Unless you thought it was a scum gambit, throwing one under the boss to absolve another)

My problem right now is James' bombshell came after everyone starting announcing their numbers. Leaves me slightly uneasy.

[Michael Jennings]

Nov 14, 2011 0:59:11 GMT -4 Phil Atken said:

My slight reservation with that is, if James was to prove his role to be true, and knuckles was scum, would anyone really bother to investigate him? He just proved himself. (Unless you thought it was a scum gambit, throwing one under the boss to absolve another)

My problem right now is James' bombshell came after everyone starting announcing their numbers. Leaves me slightly uneasy.

And that's the reason why I did it. The entire bolded statement in the quoted post. The reason I did it now is because no one seemingly is willing to divulge any information other than Jeff who didn't get anything. We need to do something other than sit around and do nothing. I had an action that could net us an apprentice and used it. It's as simple as that. It's a ballsy game move that needed to happen because at the rate we're going no one is going to be lynched.

[Reaver]

the point is gates, i feel that james's claim has no merit. look from page 1 of the game. he has done nothing but start going in blind and has been wrong since and now suddenly he has a "nite action" which fishes for a lynch which he has been doing this whole day phase.

he isnt reliable and im willing to bet he is lying like i said. i didnt mention a role i was talking about between u and me that UR THE LIAR.

but since u brought it up, is the liar role really town? how do we no that "the liar" role isnt just lying about his alignment? we have only seen 1 apprentice in the write ups and probably only 1 or 2 in the game. how else would u no any mafia roles unless u were scum?

i also find it "convenient" that this so called "role" u have lets u gain info like this during the day. i still feel that ur on a fishing expedition and cuz u couldnt put JC or Atkins to shame ur suddenly trying to pick me out.

[C.J. Gates]

Nov 14, 2011 1:16:35 GMT -4 Reaver said:

he isnt reliable and im willing to bet he is lying like i said. i didnt mention a role i was talking about between u and me that UR THE LIAR.

but since u brought it up, is the liar role really town? how do we no that "the liar" role isnt just lying about his alignment? we have only seen 1 apprentice in the write ups and probably only 1 or 2 in the game. how else would u no any mafia roles unless u were scum?

Unless the liar was recruited (if there is a recruiter), I don't see why they'd be scum and represented as town in write ups.

[Phil Atken]

I just still think when the information came is incredibly suspect. After most of the town gave their numbers out, James suddenly can say knuckles is scum.

Funnily enough, did anyone lay claim to #10 yet?

[jc]

No, hes calling james the man a liar, not his role. Ast least that is how I interpreted it.

[Level-Two]

Eh, Knucks has a decent point I guess. The problem is; it seems like all of the roles represented in the game are people with rough pasts. The write up has confirmed a corrupt politician, a liar, a rapist and a peeping tom already. On the scum side, there is just the Original apprentice. So, either the other apprentices are hidden; or their amongst us represented as town.

Still, it's a little far fetched to say the Liar in specific is a scum and I have no reason to believe JamesV is the liar if that's what we're trying to get at; however, I am definitely open to the idea that there could be roles represented as town roles within the context of the write ups considering a lot of them could easily be scummy people.

All in all this shit is really confusing. All these numbers, back and forth and confusing leads is enough for me to say fuck it. I'll get back to this tomorrow when my head is a little more clear; but kudos to Noble for the mindfucks. Good times.

[Michael Jennings]

Knuckles, have I voted for anyone? No. Have you done nothing this day phase? Yes. Pot, kettle, black. Also since you think I'm The Liar look at the write-up. The role's color is green, i.e. town. So your entire argument is that I'm The Liar and I should be voted out yet the fact is that the role in question is town. So you are voting for a player that has a town role who outed you as scum. That sums it up right there.

To answer your query I get to ask for a name and my goal is to convince the rest of the players that I am telling the truth to make up for my past mistakes. That's a synopsis of it. My role can be used AT ANY TIME. Did I not say that already? Yes, I did. As usual overlooking the obvious that has already been said. I used it and got your name. JC and Atkens aren't knuckles which is the name I got. I got your name and you are specifically Jigsaw's secret apprentice. My information is correct otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive and making the mistake of voting for someone whom you said had a role that clearly was town in the write up. You are scum and need to be eliminated in order to help eliminate all threats to the town such as apprentices which you are. You're done. You've been outed as scum and nothing can change that.

[Michael Jennings]

L-O is dead on with his assessment more specifically the hidden apprentice part. Knuckles is the secret apprentice. That is the specific information I received. He is not the original apprentice but the secret apprentice.

[Arcadia]

Nov 14, 2011 1:27:47 GMT -4 Phil Atken said:

I just still think when the information came is incredibly suspect. After most of the town gave their numbers out, James suddenly can say knuckles is scum.

Funnily enough, did anyone lay claim to #10 yet?

Pence did.

[Phil Atken]

Wait, was Pence saying he was #10 or he got #10 as a clue in his night action.

Because our roles pretty much state the number we are given is OUR number. So... if Pence would know what #10 meant if he was #10 surely.

[Phil Atken]

Also, the way Varga is wording his role makes me feel even more like he is a lyncher.

Trying to convince the town...

[Phil Atken]

For those wondering why I keep pondering a third role, I just feel like in terms of game balance 10/3 for scum is a little on the town side and it wouldn't surprise me if there was a role to screw the town over a little bit.

However, my role, in a way, may screw over the town a little during the day considering, as I've made obvious, something only happens at night if I don't vote.

I can vote though, so I may be off on that one.

This is a tough situation because if Varga had dropped the bomb at the start of the day, I'd have been happy to go along. It's just that knuckles posted his number and it was after a few numbers went public that Varga dropped this important piece of information.

Varga, why hold back if it's a one time use? It's not like you'd be getting any more information than you already have and if you didn't tell us today there would always be the chance you might've been night killed.

For me, my problem isn't so much what Varga claimed as when he claimed it.

Now, I've been obvious in saying my role is only useful if I don't vote (I can vote, and in future days I will vote) which is why I'm not plunking down a vote right now, but I'd ask people to think about the series of events as they happened.

[Phil Atken]

Hang on.

I'm being an idiot, re-reading it seems James is claiming this is a daytime role.

[Phil Atken]

Ah crap, edited a typo. Didn't realise a quick edit like that'd show up.

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Nov 14, 2011 1:34:29 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Knuckles, have I voted for anyone? No. Have you done nothing this day phase? Yes. Pot, kettle, black. Also since you think I'm The Liar look at the write-up. The role's color is green, i.e. town. So your entire argument is that I'm The Liar and I should be voted out yet the fact is that the role in question is town. So you are voting for a player that has a town role who outed you as scum. That sums it up right there.

So if that guarantees that being in green is town shouldn't the people who are mentioned in green speak up and say who they are so we can eliminate 3 or so people from the "Possible Scum" list?

I don't think just because in the write up that the name of the person is green means they are scum. Because that would make it too easy.

[President Jeff]

I don't believe James for one second. He randomly comes out of the blue and says he has info that Knuckles is scum. Really? it took you this long to get your info and your only sharing it now. I think your just trying to lead a lynch against a townie because you know that as the day comes closer, everyone will probably jump on a lynch.

Vote: JamesV

[Blade]

I just want to test something; and this is totally random, so please dont get your panties in a twist.

vote: Level-One


All in all, this is just to clear myself, and then the info I have (Which isn't really anything) may matter

[jc]

unvote

Ill give you some time to clear yourself, blade.

[Blade]

Nov 14, 2011 9:13:35 GMT -4 jc said:

unvote

Ill give you some time to clear yourself, blade.

If I understand my role properly, All i need now is a vote count please mod

[Level-Two]

So if that guarantees that being in green is town shouldn't the people who are mentioned in green speak up and say who they are so we can eliminate 3 or so people from the Possible Scum list?

I don't think just because in the write up that the name of the person is green means they are scum. Because that would make it too easy.

No, because those are characters. You cannot character or role claim because that will get you mod killed.

Also, nobody ever said the people in the game that a ''green'' which signifies town; is scum. I think the point I at least made, is that one of them appearing as town in the write ups could be apprentices hidden amongst the townsmen in the write up.

Any more odd posts you got for us, Nunez?

[C.J. Gates]

Nov 14, 2011 1:34:29 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Knuckles, have I voted for anyone? No. Have you done nothing this day phase? Yes.

I don't mean to split hairs here, but James, you HAVE voted for Knuckles this day, and Knuckles HAS voted for you. But I don't know if you were trying to be ironic or whatnot.

Still, Atken brings up a good point. It's not like the cop dying was a revelation halfway through the day, we knew it at the beginning of the day. And you waited until you decided to use your ability. Maybe you were busy, maybe you hoped that someone else had information, but it still seems like a weird time to bring it about, as Jeff said, toward the end of the day phase when people might be likely to jump on a lynch, especially since you've spent the day talking about how a lynch today helps the town.

Right now? I'm more inclined to believe that Knuckles it town then you, James.

Vote: JamesV

And Atken, I believe the way Pence worded it, his note he received gave him the #10, not a night action. He says that he didn't know what to make of it until he posted his vote on me, and that was to start day two.

[C.J. Gates]

EWOP

I do have my eye on Jesse though. Unless he just decided not to read the rules, he's basically looking for 3 townies to get modkilled.

[Michael Jennings]

It's you guys' funeral if you don't listen to me. I'm fine with getting lynched if it nabs us a scummer. Nice to see everyone forgot that this is a Saw themed game and that everything is a test. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say Jeff or Gates is the original apprentice.

Also here's something to note. Some of you got notifications I was an apprentice after doing my action so I'm certain some players know more than they're telling.

[Michael Jennings]

To answer Atken I used it after the day phase started. Mod didn't get back to me until last night. I was sick of waiting around for the town to actually do something so I took action and it's led to all of this.

[C.J. Gates]

Why would others get notes saying you are an apprentice?

[Level-Two]

Nov 14, 2011 10:45:25 GMT -4 C.J. Gates said:

Why would others get notes saying you are an apprentice?

A better question is, who the hell got these notes?

[Blade]

I am sure there are some people that havent checked in today?


On my list is Nunez and Aitken. Nunez because the stuff he posts isnt always making sense. and Aitken because he is over eager to try and get something. He did it on day 1, he is doing it on day 2

[Johnny Rebel]

Nov 14, 2011 10:48:14 GMT -4 Level-Two said:

Nov 14, 2011 10:45:25 GMT -4 C.J. Gates said:

Why would others get notes saying you are an apprentice?

A better question is, who the hell got these notes?

If somebody has info that clears James, it needs to come out sooner rather than later. Basically, somebody is lying and if others have notes out there that point us in one direction or the other, the spill it. We are kicking tires here as it's he said against he said. I don't know if I believe James and his role because of the timing. The whole thing just seems funky.