SAW Mafia Game Thread

[Reaver]

Nov 14, 2011 19:03:23 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

You couldn't risk it or you're lying about your role? I think you're lying about your role. I also have noticed that Jeff has been pushing for me to be voted out this entire time. Once I'm revealed to be town it should be easy to figure out what two players to look at. Bottom line is I got a note saying that you're the secret apprentice and I'm going with the info I got by using my one action in the game. No simpler way to put it than that.

i garantee u im not lying about it but again if u read the rules, it says u can NOT claim a role unless u r more than half way to being lynched....

4. You may role-claim when you have reached half the necessary number of votes needed to be tested/lynched. 7 regular votes = can role-claim at 4. Character claiming instantly gets you mod-killed.

i couldnt say nuttn till i had 4 votes and if i did it prior, id be a goner.

[President Jeff]

James, your lying through your teeth. first your role says Knuckles is scum. Now your role says I'm scum. Which one is it?

And for the record, I haven't been pushing a lynch for you the entire game. I started pushing for a lynch this morning, and even more so when a few people revealed they got the same note at me. You wen't even on my scum list until I got the note last night that had your name in it and your name was colored in red.

You know your in trouble and your trying to do everything you can to save your ass.

Honestly everyone, this is the only lead we got. Its not like I'm the only one that has the info, other people do as well, its credable info and it proves we're not lying. Lets gamble and Lynch James and see what happens. If we're wrong, for some strange reason, then we'll know that to be carefull with any future notes.

[Michael Jennings]

Nov 14, 2011 19:11:05 GMT -4 President Jeff said:

James, your lying through your teeth. first your role says Knuckles is scum. Now your role says I'm scum. Which one is it?

And for the record, I haven't been pushing a lynch for you the entire game. I started pushing for a lynch this morning, and even more so when a few people revealed they got the same note at me. You wen't even on my scum list until I got the note last night that had your name in it and your name was colored in red.

You know your in trouble and your trying to do everything you can to save your ass.

Honestly everyone, this is the only lead we got. Its not like I'm the only one that has the info, other people do as well, its credable info and it proves we're not lying. Lets gamble and Lynch James and see what happens. If we're wrong, for some strange reason, then we'll know that to be carefull with any future notes.

That bolded part has me suspicious as hell. Did I EVER say my role said that you specifically were scum? No, I only said knuckles. Freudian slip? I think so. Keep pushing Jeff. The moment I come up town the rest of the players will know what to do. That one bolded comment tells me my gut read on you was dead on.

[C.J. Gates]

To clear the air, I think Jeff saw where you said that you had a scum read on him a few posts back and he thought you meant that you were saying your role gave you that. Don't know if that exactly clears him, but who knows.

Also, since I don't know how much more discussion will go and if James or Knuckles (since those are the two best options at this point really, it's more so figuring out which one you believe), I'd like to request a protect tonight. Don't have to give it to me, of course, but I guess I want to be on the safe side...

[President Jeff]

Ok, your role didn't say I was scum, you "note" did. You think we're to believe that your the only person who got a note on me, when theres a group of us had a note on you. I doubt it. If my named showed up on a note, then it showed up on more than 1 persons. And since I doubt it did, your still scum

[Michael Jennings]

You seriously have no idea what I'm saying. knuckles was the ONLY PERSON IN THE GAME I got a note about. Not you or anyone else. Did I ever once say that I got a note about you? Go back and look. You're sweating over a comment I made about how you've been acting since I first said knuckles was the secret apprentice and now you're trying to twist it around to where I got a note about you too. Let me phrase this so everyone can understand: I only got a note about knuckles. I got a gut read on Jeff's gameplay as being scum. Those are two different things enitrely.

[President Jeff]

Nov 14, 2011 19:03:23 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

You couldn't risk it or you're lying about your role? I think you're lying about your role. I also have noticed that Jeff has been pushing for me to be voted out this entire time. Once I'm revealed to be town it should be easy to figure out what two players to look at. Bottom line is I got a note saying that you're the secret apprentice and I'm going with the info I got by using my one action in the game. No simpler way to put it than that.

I bolded the quote where you said you had a note about me

[Arcadia]

Jeff, you are actually taking his quote out of context. He started and finished that conversation about Knuckles. When he was talking about you, he said your name specifically to signify a third party besides "you" and "i". You are taking what he said wrong. Re read it, Jeff. The "you" in his quote is Knuckles, because that's who he was talking to.

[President Jeff]

Either way, I still think James is scum and I'm not changing my vote

[Michael Jennings]

I was addressing knuckles, Jeff.

[Arcadia]

I don't know about this...Everyone is saying that JamesV is scum because they several people all got notes about it. Why would several people all get notes about the same guy being scum? James said that this would happen if he used his role and indeed it did. I don't think it's plausible to assume that everyone who got notes about James being scum actually did anything like investigate him? Maybe one, maybe even two on the long shot. But even if that were true, why would James know that these notes were going out to several people if he wasn't actually telling the truth? I think James is actually town.

Vote: Knuckles

[Arcadia]

wow, how many more times could i have used the word several in that post?? Sorry.

[Phil Atken]

Three people said they got notes about James? I think it was three, maybe two, sorry I was catching up.

Regardless, I think that proves that James did something. Notes like that wouldn't just randomly trigger during the day. When's our deadline? I may have to lose my role for the night if it's looking like a no lynch for knuckles.

Also, from catching up, how does Blade not having a vote clear him like he claimed?

[Phil Atken]

And as I post, Arcadia posts the exact same thing.

[Arcadia]

I didn't understand the Blade thing either.

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Sorry for some of my posts not making sense, I'm usually posting late at night when I am tired but that is the only time I really have a chance to post most of the time. And I didn't realize people are in green are the specific roles, my mistake. As I didn't think claiming to say you are the "rapist" is an actual role as I wouldn't know what actions that would really give you? What would it be you get a chance to rape somebody at night? Thought it was ridiculous and it wouldn't give out the actual role you really play.

I've questioned JamesV since the beginning of the game and ever since then he basically has mentioned me as scum any chance he got usually after I posted about him. And now it took him way too long to come out and say the information he claims to have after the night already ended. Now instead of trying to convince us that Knuckles is scum and support his information with better facts, he is more trying to convince us not to lynch him. If that makes sense?

Vote: JamesV

[Michael Jennings]

Nunez, have you even read the game thread? I've said it at least once lynch me. I don't care. It'll show I'm telling the truth just as much as lynching knuckles will. I haven't said not to lynch me at all which basically tells me you only skimmed over parts of what's been said. I got info that says knuckles is the secret apprentice and have stated basically everything I can without role claiming to get my point across. I even said every specific part of my role and what happens after my one shot action. Also I said I used my action DURING THE DAY PHASE. I posted what I got when I received it. That is not waiting too long. If I had done it now then it would be too long. You clearly have not read through the entire thread and are basing all of you info on the last two or three pages. That's just my opinion on it.

[C.J. Gates]

If my vote counts are right, we currently have 4 votes for James and 3 for Knuckles. At that rate, I don't see a lynch being possible, unless we can hit 7 on James. Not getting rid of one of them would be a serious detriment to the town because we'd be stuck with this over our head in future rounds.

[Phil Atken]

I want to put my vote on knuckles given everything that has happened. The fact the people got notes implicating Varga during the day would imply something had to trigger those notes. So I believe, for now, Varga did use a role and it implicated knuckles.

If we're in danger of a no lynch I will vote for knuckles but I will lose my night role for tonight.

[C.J. Gates]

Do you lose your night role if a lynch is not reached or if you vote at all?

[Phil Atken]

The minute I vote, it's gone. So I had it last night.

[C.J. Gates]

Ah okay. Well, I'd consider changing my vote to Knuckles if a lynch was looking likely, but right now it's not. By my count, there are three people who haven't voted and who aren't Blade (who can't vote) and Atken (who could but he'd lose his night action). So maybe overnight one or two of them will place a vote down.

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Nov 14, 2011 23:52:04 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Nunez, have you even read the game thread? I've said it at least once lynch me. I don't care. It'll show I'm telling the truth just as much as lynching knuckles will. I haven't said not to lynch me at all which basically tells me you only skimmed over parts of what's been said. I got info that says knuckles is the secret apprentice and have stated basically everything I can without role claiming to get my point across. I even said every specific part of my role and what happens after my one shot action. Also I said I used my action DURING THE DAY PHASE. I posted what I got when I received it. That is not waiting too long. If I had done it now then it would be too long. You clearly have not read through the entire thread and are basing all of you info on the last two or three pages. That's just my opinion on it.

I've never played a game where it had any DAY roles with actions. Thats another reason why I don't believe you based on my experience in past games. And just because you tell me something is the truth doesn't mean it is. I can tell you I saw a real live unicorn and claim its the truth, but it doesn't mean anything. Like you mentioned though whether we lynch you or Knuckles we will find out. We definitely will. If you are telling the truth I apologize if you come up town but then we'd know Knuckles is scum. If you come up Mafia then you'd know the rest.

[Michael Jennings]

Jesus Christ. I could use my action AT ANY TIME, day or night. All I had to do was PM the mod saying I wanted to use it. I did it so we wouldn't have another no lynch and I got back information that said specifically that knuckles is the secret apprentice. As I keep saying earlier ONLY AN IDIOT SCUM PLAYER would do what I'm doing now. Am I an idiot? No. Did I take a big risk using my one-shot ability? Yes, I did but it's going to be worth it to further the town in the game getting rid of an apprentice. Nobody else has any information implicating anyone else as scum so no matter how you look at it this will net scum in all scenarios. Vote knuckles or myself and no matter what the result is the town will know what to do the next day phase which is what needs to happen in order to eliminate the apprentices and win the game.

[Level-Two]

Okay, so basically to sum up my feelings about everything that has gone on since I last checked this thread; I'll be keeping my vote on Knuckles. While I find some flaws in JamesV's story and I am tempted to push questions his way, I don't think it'll make a lick of difference given how much time we have left on the clock. If for whatever reason we don't reach a lynch and I'm still alive and well; I'll raise them day 3 when they're relevant again.

At this point in time, I'm thinking JamesV is not scum. I don't know what to think about the notes other then they're likely there to cause some drama. James IMO; at best has some weird third party role Kurt spent time thinking up. However, I am going based off the information and JamesV has made a hell of a lot better case then Knuckles has; who seems to have been just on the defensive side the entire time.

[Reaver]

ur rite L-O, i have been on the defensive. but only since my name was mentioned. james has been on the defensive (or aggressive depending how u look at it) since the beginning. i just feel that its awfully convenient on how things r going down cuz he didnt get his way during the day 1 phase of the game.

he has lied and been busted for it a few times, where as i havent lied about anything. ive been straight forward about everything and theres just nuttn more i could say. my role has been mentioned in earlier posts and i wont mention it again (dont wanna get mod killed derr) and i garantee u that; THATS, my role. i can certainly promise u that if im lynched, id come up town where as if james is lynched, he would show up as scum.

do the rite thing and send that scum to the noose.

[Jesse Nuñez™]

Nov 15, 2011 1:50:02 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Jesus Christ. I could use my action AT ANY TIME, day or night. All I had to do was PM the mod saying I wanted to use it. I did it so we wouldn't have another no lynch and I got back information that said specifically that knuckles is the secret apprentice. As I keep saying earlier ONLY AN IDIOT SCUM PLAYER would do what I'm doing now. Am I an idiot? No. Did I take a big risk using my one-shot ability? Yes, I did but it's going to be worth it to further the town in the game getting rid of an apprentice. Nobody else has any information implicating anyone else as scum so no matter how you look at it this will net scum in all scenarios. Vote knuckles or myself and no matter what the result is the town will know what to do the next day phase which is what needs to happen in order to eliminate the apprentices and win the game.

I'm going to address why I bolded those three sections in your statement.

1.) Like I said in my past games to which I played there never was such a role where you were allowed to use at any given time especially in the day phase. As far as I know I only believe you are only given roles to use your actions in the night. Now that is just with me I don't know how everyone knows who's play the games there might be such a role. But in the three previous games I've played there has been none.

2.) Like I said there is no way for me to tell whether you are telling the truth or not. You can be acting this way or not. I don't know what type of strategy you are playing in this game.

3.) Now you are saying I should either vote for YOU or KNUCKLES. So I can't tell whether you are complaining that I voted for you or not. And in your own words either way we vote and get the lynch we will know for sure who is scum.

So that is why I voted and will keep my vote on you. Others may have their reasons to vote for you or Knuckles which is fine because at the end of it all if we do get a lynch we will know who is scum out of the two.

[Phil Atken]

I have seen mafia games in the past with daytime roles.

[Arcadia]

we've got 3 hours to reach a lynch....

[C.J. Gates]

I was hoping there were more votes when I woke up, but apparently not. Oh well, looks like we'll keep this stuff over our head until the next day and just keep getting picked off at night.