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Post by Reaver on Nov 9, 2011 0:16:19 GMT -4
ya no, i just realized something...... this game feels weird cuz harvey isnt around to pick on  always a good choice for a day 1 lynch lol jk harvey <3 |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Nov 9, 2011 0:26:02 GMT -4
I guess Atken's last post confirms my suspicions that some people know more than their telling which is pretty obvious considering the nature of this game.
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Post by jc on Nov 9, 2011 1:15:53 GMT -4
vote: Atken
You just confirmed something? Sounds more like you just realized that townies have something in their role pms that yours doesnt. I think you read your role and clicked on your qt link to go talk to your scum buddies.
And Arcadia was not asking anyone to out there role. She was asking people to give some info about themselves (their character) that might tie everything together. Giving that info is not going to reveal what role you have, and scum already knows who is town so your still not giving them anything to target anyone over someone else.
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Post by Michael Jennings on Nov 9, 2011 1:26:42 GMT -4
Ok, before anything else happens, I want to know specifically from Atken what he had confirmed and why would you need to ask any questions about it? I want specifics, not some vague bullshit answers that aren't going to lead us anywhere. Since we have plenty of time before the deadline I want to hear from him before doing anything voting wise since JC does have some good points about what Atken said.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Nov 9, 2011 3:24:36 GMT -4
Sorry I haven't been on, MW3 has taken me over. Anyhow, I think everyone is jumping the gun, quick to lynch someone in hopes that their hunch is correct. Idk, just trying to stay active. My role doesn't allow me to do much, so I'll just stay active in hopes that I don't get mod killed lol.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 5:04:43 GMT -4
I asked Noble if I was missing something out with this chat chat of notes because I was certain the only information I had from him was my role (and as I'm sure most of you have, a number). He confirmed that the notes from the game opening were purely peoples role information. He said I could clarify that for the game.
As for your second point JC, you're an idiot.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 5:08:11 GMT -4
I was going to edit my post but that's a no no. Point being JC, day 1, why would we want to discuss our roles. Mafia knows who is town, they don't know town power. They don't know everything about us. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO HELP THEM.
I feel like some people miss this concept pretty often. Scum already has some information, we shouldn't be out there spilling any more UNLESS it helps the town. Right now, we have had a chance for night actions, so there's no reason to discuss our roles now.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 5:17:10 GMT -4
I apologise for triple posting, I tend to post as I go in mafia games.
You can use the argument "well she wasn't asking for roles" but basically I consider trying to tease out any information from the town as harming the town day 1. The only advantage we have over mafia is they don't know who to target day 1.
Now, with that said, right now I'm trying my hardest not to believe JC and Varga weren't making a horrible argument gambit day because Varga agreeing with my post about the "notes" and then jumping to agree with JC is suspect as hell.
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Post by Jesse Nuñez™ on Nov 9, 2011 5:18:29 GMT -4
Woah definitely forgot I was in this game thanks to MW3. But don't worry I'm back!
Few things though.
1.) What does EWOP mean?
2.) What exactly do the Mafia know about us Town people? Just that we are town? Its been awhile since I last played a Mafia game.
3.) Are we allowed to not give out the information about our roles but instead tell everyone a bit of information to why we might be in here in this situation? Such as we did time in prison or we murdered someone and got away with it, greed, etc?
Maybe if we are allowed to do that we can find out a little more about each other and determine who is dangerous to the group. As right now I do not trust anybody in here.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 5:43:42 GMT -4
I'm operating under the assumption mafia only knows who the mafia is. Nothing about any town powers or indeed any possible third party
I'm also operating under the assumption that if we start discussing why we're here this early, we're giving out too much information.
I'm thirdly operating under the assumption jc is an idiot.
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Post by President Jeff on Nov 9, 2011 7:12:27 GMT -4
No need for name calling Atkens, its just a game
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 7:22:08 GMT -4
The guy must have a low opinion of me if he thinks I would just blatantly post "HEY I WAS CHATTIN IT UP WITH MY SCUM BUDS AND WE CAME TO A CONCLUSION" then.
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Post by jc on Nov 9, 2011 9:37:50 GMT -4
I don't think that at all. I think you glanced over your role pm, paying no mind to the actual content in it.i also think you had to check with the mod what these notes were because yours is not similar to the rest of the towns.
Everyone has a reason for being here, everyone has something in their past that had given jigsaw a reason to put you here. Now people can claim that the theme is just flavor, but the theme in this game is more than that as there are things that tie us together.
Like me, I have had to live with the burden of lling two people in front of their child. It doesn't say I went to jail, but it is possible with a crime like that. Now, that could connect me with someone else in the game that is in a similar situation. Stuff like that if what is going to help the town weed out those that don't belong.
But if you want to sit there and do nothing, but not vote a no lynch because you dint want to look like scum, then I feel you are hurting our chances of winning this game by your lack of motivation and coding to stall the day phase without looking like you are by staying active.
That to me is scummy.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 9:56:17 GMT -4
WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT.
Like seriously, what is it? I had to discuss my role with my scum buddies in a quick topic? I had to check my role with a mod because it was missing something because I am scum? You're being inconsitant with yourself apart from yelling SCUM! SCUM! SCUM! And not actually getting anywhere.
My role is no more missing than anyone elses, I was getting confused because with the way Kaji was discussing revealing notes and the way Arcadia was pushing for certain pieces information it seemed like my role was somehow lacking. Turns out it wasn't. Now to be honest, that makes me a little curious about Kaji's reaction but I'd rather not have the town get caught up in flavour arguments. As have been doing the entire of day 1.
Of course all people are here for a reason, that's a bloody game. Congrats on posting your role flavour though because "it'll help the town". ITS FLAVOUR. It's like you don't even understand the point I've been making all day.
I'm not voting because I have two people in mind for two different reason, which I've already discussed both in this very thread. Varga for so willingly lapdogging you and Nunez for a terrible start of case on Varga. Neither of them is particularly strong with that regard and obviously if I'm correct on one, to me it'd nullify the other.
You don't have to throw a vote down while opening your anus to spew forth a fountain of bullshit to actually be active.
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Post by Arcadia on Nov 9, 2011 10:17:28 GMT -4
Okay, I really thought by the wording of my note that there was more to it than that. but I suppose not, if Noble really said that to Atken.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 10:23:56 GMT -4
Actually, I'm just going to be honest right now.
I'm not voting today.
And no, you can't know why. (for now)
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Post by jc on Nov 9, 2011 10:40:02 GMT -4
There is no argument Atken. There is me saying that I think you are scum because of things you have said and things you dont seem to comprehend, and there is you name calling and insulting me because I think you are scum.
Your doing awesome under pressure, I might add.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Nov 9, 2011 10:41:41 GMT -4
[quote author=jessenunez board=mafia thread=8238 post=39354 time=1320830309
Few things though.
1.) What does EWOP mean?
2.) What exactly do the Mafia know about us Town people? Just that we are town? Its been awhile since I last played a Mafia game.
3.) Are we allowed to not give out the information about our roles but instead tell everyone a bit of information to why we might be in here in this situation? Such as we did time in prison or we murdered someone and got away with it, greed, etc?
Maybe if we are allowed to do that we can find out a little more about each other and determine who is dangerous to the group. As right now I do not trust anybody in here.[/quote]
Something here doesn't sit well. I mean, we've spent the majority of this day going back and forth on the whole note thing, and how outting our roles is only going to give the scum the info on who to kill (which is true, though I still believe that the jail thing won't give that, and I think any sane person wouldn't be stupid enough to just plainly say what their role is this early).
The part that doesn't sit with me is when Nunez goes against all of that and says hoe we should give more information about each other. Sure, he does so to find out who is dangerous, but scum wouldn't come out and say "oh yeah, I'm scum. I'm dangerous cause I'm going to kill you."
The only other one I'm getting a bad vibe from right now is Atken, simply because of what I can only assume is his game play style.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Nov 9, 2011 10:42:28 GMT -4
EWOP
Fucked up the quote lol. God damnit.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 10:48:50 GMT -4
There is no argument Atken. There is me saying that I think you are scum because of things you have said and things you dont seem to comprehend, and there is you name calling and insulting me because I think you are scum. Your doing awesome under pressure, I might add. You have a high opinion of yourself if you think that you're one vote would wield any pressure. Frustration at you missing the point entirely sure. Regardless, much like your pointless argument with Varga earlier (which was mostly on Varga's end) as I don't consider you scum right now, I'm moving on. Please continue to miss the point. Although I'm not voting today, I'll happily say who I'd vote for so there's no finger pointing later about non-committalness or what have you. |
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 10:51:12 GMT -4
CJ makes a good point with Nunez actually, he's posted twice. Once when Varga was errupting (possibly hoping to kick start a bandwagon) and second to push for information sharing. Other than that he seems happy to sit in the background.
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Post by Reaver on Nov 9, 2011 10:54:33 GMT -4
its ok gates, i understood wat u were saying anyways LOL
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 11:02:59 GMT -4
knuckles, what are your thoughts at the moment?
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Post by Arcadia on Nov 9, 2011 11:03:55 GMT -4
and EWOP is the word we write to signify an edit of sorts to an above post, since we can't actually edit
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Post by Reaver on Nov 9, 2011 11:08:43 GMT -4
my thoughts?
well considering its only day 1, its hard to get a real read on anybody as far as roles. i tend to hold off till at least the first nite phase. i personally think that JC/Atkins/nunez have potential but i refuse to just point fingers. this argument they r having could just be a smoke screen to distract everybody and keep them from being choosen as scum. but then again i dont feel theres enuff proof to just come out and say who is what.
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 11:11:51 GMT -4
Arcadia, your thoughts?
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Post by Phil Atken on Nov 9, 2011 11:16:10 GMT -4
The reason I'm asking because for a day one, there's been a lot of discussion. With a lot of discussion it's also easy to hide in the background. So if you just do a check-in post, I'd like to see your opinions as well. Mafia like to hide in the background.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Nov 9, 2011 11:26:49 GMT -4
The reason I'm asking because for a day one, there's been a lot of discussion. With a lot of discussion it's also easy to hide in the background. So if you just do a check-in post, I'd like to see your opinions as well. Mafia like to hide in the background. I agree, though I might worry more about those that haven't been speaking...I mean, Arcadia has at least been active, unlike people like Pence and Havok (though Havok just recently resurfaced). |
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Post by jc on Nov 9, 2011 11:55:32 GMT -4
Exactly CJ. You don't have to out your role, because more than likely your past has nothing to do with your role. I know mine doesn't.
Nunez, what are you going to consider dangerous? I highly doubt someone got the role of quiet bookworm with a squeaky clean past in this game, unless that bookworm secretly kills and takes kittiens in his basement while his grandmother is out playing bridge with her friends.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Nov 9, 2011 12:03:02 GMT -4
My reaction to the notes was to wait until later this day phase to see how things went. Honestly, with as much shit that's been flying around, I think we can sit on the notes for right now and just do some basic hunting, and bust out more about what notes or clues or whatever we were given when it gets a little more dire. As much as a no lynch hurts the town first day, mislynches hurt more, so I'm with the no-lynch camp on this one.
And since this was a joke vote really...
Unvote: JC
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