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Post by Arcadia on Dec 6, 2011 0:20:19 GMT -4
EWOP:
And I think you are probably right about 4 mafia, 2 in each family if there are two. Otherwise wouldn't it be rather heavily Mafia? with 14 players and 6 mafia, it would be almost impossible for us to reach a lynch.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 6, 2011 7:24:52 GMT -4
I was going to do a big long post countering Knuckles's points on Arcadia...but she already said most of what I was going to say. What I will say is that almost no one was well and truly active day one because it was the weekend, and even without the heavy shit Arcadia had to deal with, a lot of people had other shit to do. By that logic, just me and Knux are town, and even as heavy as the mafia presence is in this game, that's just stupid.
Speaking of heavy mafia presence, I don't see a reason why we can't have three members in two mafia families. It wouldn't be impossible at all to reach a lynch, because the mafioso are trying to take each other out. Also, if there were only two per family, why would they have a roleblocker? I'm not the most experienced, but usually doesn't it go Godfather, Hitman, Roleblocker (or other miscellaneous third role, but Blade's a blocker, so blocker it is in this game)?
I'm actually leaning toward two families and three members each (well, two for one family now), but each family only knows who's in their own family, so for each mafia group, it's a fairly typical mafia game in terms of numbers games...it's just possible that they'll wind up hitting the other family instead of town, as seen there.
To answer Branden, quite simple. How do most wrestlers win triple threat matches? They sit back and let the other two dudes (or dudettes) pummel each other until they're ripe for the picking.
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Post by Reaver on Dec 6, 2011 13:05:48 GMT -4
the problem with that is that townies could potentially get caught in the cross fire. so does anybody have any other suggestions?
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 6, 2011 13:29:21 GMT -4
if there are two families, regardless of 2 or 3 members to each, we are twice as likely to lynch a mafia member when we do lynch. It may be a weird tactic, but I'm willing to be slightly less cautious about a lynch with the numbers stacked the way they are. We still have 3 days worth of time to talk over who we think might be scum, but I think in this scenario especially, ending in a no lynch is going to hurt us twice as bad as usual. And if Kaji is right, and there are 6 mafia in total, we will be outnumbered well before we can say WTF if one of those scum kill a town at night instead of the other family. Maybe a little machiovellian, but thats how i see it.
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Post by Nick Watson on Dec 6, 2011 14:39:45 GMT -4
So, who exactly are we going to jump on to? I mean Kaji says you, but I don't know if I can truthfully believe that. I don't know who to lynch at this point, but I will tell you one thing. We need to get a lynch going. Because if there is 6 or so mafia, then lets just say that this game is going to be completely bonkers. So, I will ask...does anyone have any leads we can go on as to clear out the scum before the night comes along?
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Post by C.J. Gates on Dec 6, 2011 18:48:35 GMT -4
Kaji didn't say Arcadia, Pence...Knuckles did.
And I agree with what has been said so far. From the write up, can tell that the mafias are against each other as much as they are the town, so we're not in as big a hole as it might seem.
As far as any information, I don't have anything and just based on the day, Knuckles seems the most suspicious, if only because he was quick to point the finger at Arcadia. I've got nothing else to go on, though, and it's not enough to place a vote.
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Dec 6, 2011 21:58:34 GMT -4
I really don't know what to say right now. A lot of meaningless talk, and a lot of eyes on Knux. With that being said, is there ANYTHING else you can add about Arcadia, that might help us answer why you're going after her so hardcore? Otherwise, you're just making yourself look like a mafia member with some "info" on Arcadia.
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Post by Jules on Dec 7, 2011 6:35:00 GMT -4
I'm confused. The write up tells us there are two mafia families. How many members does a mafia family usually have? The consensus seems to be 2 or 3, can it be more?
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 7, 2011 7:24:18 GMT -4
It can be more, but it usually isn't because that would overpower the mafia in a typical game.
That said, there was a preposterous amount of red text in that last write-up, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if each family had four (a godfather, a hitman, a roleblocker, and a miscellaneous fourth role). At this point, with multiple mafia families, anything is possible.
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Post by Reaver on Dec 7, 2011 12:53:58 GMT -4
i agree, the 3 mafia sounds logical if u add up the people. in which case, then its TOTALLY safe to assume my logic is correct about arcadia.
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 7, 2011 13:00:32 GMT -4
Are you still pushing for a lynch on me? Your logic was and is completely illogical. I've already explained myself, and you are going after me for reasons that either you completely made up to begin with (me clearing Branden) or reasons that at best don't hold water. Dude, you look scummier and scummier every time you post.
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Post by Jules on Dec 7, 2011 13:45:06 GMT -4
I think three of three with five town sounds about right. If it was four, there'd only be two town. What? Did I read that right? Are you saying there are three lots of mafia? How did you get to five town? Are you privy to some information the rest of us are not? |
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Post by Nick Watson on Dec 7, 2011 18:18:17 GMT -4
Yeah! Do you have information? Also, Arcadia you are coming off rather defensive right now, and to be honest we have to find someone to lynch and soon. And to me you are appearing rather scummy. So, maybe I should:
vote: Arcadia
Now try to convince me that you are not a scum of one of those mafia families or my vote will remain unchanged.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 7, 2011 19:23:51 GMT -4
Vote: Branden Harvey
For one simple reason. When the town was throwing around ideas about how many families and how many people are in each family, Branden comes out with his idea. Am I arguing that it doesn't make sense? No. What I'm arguing is that it DOES make sense, and Branden threw it out like "Well of COURSE it's three families with three members each, anything else is stupid and dumb."
First of all, when does Branden ever come out with good ideas?
Second of all, Branden assumed we were all talking about three families to begin with, and that is just not the case. We were all working under the assumption that we were up against two families, and Branden is the one that made the jump to three, which makes him look mighty suspicious in my book.
Third, Branden has been oddly self-deprecating, even for him. While not inherently suspicious, when added to the previous points, it bears mentioning.
Lastly, and I don't mean to bust his balls too badly, but when has a lynch on Branden ever hurt the town? Really.
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Post by C.J. Gates on Dec 7, 2011 19:45:28 GMT -4
Vote: Knuckles
Was suspicious of him before so I'm going to follow my first instinct. His reasoning for Arcadia was weak at best, basing it off of other games, and was rather quick to agree to Branden's 3 mafia theory.
Also, FOS Pence. Just have this bad feeling. You were quick to point out incorrectly that Kaji named Arcadia as a suspect, and then threw your vote on her because shes defensive that someone is trying to out her. Almost as weak as Knuckles.
And Julius, if Harvey is right and there are 3 mafias of 3, that would make 9 with 5 left over for town to make the 14. Though that's if Harvey is right.
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 7, 2011 19:50:21 GMT -4
Pence, I've already defended myself to knuckles original post. I don't think I'm being overly defensive in the least when I say that Knuckles continued harping on me looks scummy, especially after pointing out that he twisted my words (easily provable, since they're posted above). And Branden, WTF? How did you get to three mafia families so confidently?
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Post by Jules on Dec 7, 2011 20:01:35 GMT -4
And Julius, if Harvey is right and there are 3 mafias of 3, that would make 9 with 5 left over for town to make the 14. Though that's if Harvey is right. I know the maths C.J.  I was questioning how Branden Harvey managed to get 5 townies when, as far as I am aware (from the write-up), there were two mafia families and the consensus seemed to be 3 scum per family. Then he drops this 'three of three' bombshell. Something fishy is going on there. I wasn't really convinced to lynch this day because there has been such paucity of information, but Harvey clearly knows something that we don't and he has let it slip. The way I see it only scum could know that information. Vote: Branden Harvey |
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 7, 2011 20:36:48 GMT -4
Since Branden hasn't felt the need to explain himself yet though he's been around...
Vote: Branden Harvey
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Post by Michael Jennings on Dec 7, 2011 21:00:55 GMT -4
Been sick the past few days but finally catching up on the game. Did a read through and I have to agree about Harvey. Not sold on Arcadia or Knuckles but Harvey I am sold on for the mere fact that he's trying to cause more confusion than there needs to be. I think it was done on purpose to distract hence why I am voting for him. Plus he's also in my opinion avoided what has been said about him which makes me confident in this vote.
Vote: Harvey
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Post by Nathaniel Havok on Dec 7, 2011 21:38:04 GMT -4
I think that I have to agree with some, if not most of this. I've got my eye on a few people, but right now, I'm going to go on instinct.
Vote: Branden Harvey
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 7, 2011 22:56:23 GMT -4
 Current vote count: 5: Branden Harvey (Kaji, Farquhar, Arcadia, JamesV, Havok) 2: Arcadia (Knuckles, Pence Weatherlight) 1: Knuckles (CJ Gates) Not voting: Phil Atken, Johnny Rebel, Kurt Noble, JC, Branden Harvey With 13 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch Day 2 phase ends @ 9:00 PM EST, Thursday. Less then 24 hours folks. |
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Dec 7, 2011 23:24:09 GMT -4
Well, we've got nothing and might as well try and pry something out of someone. I don't believe Harvey is scum because he's acting like he does every game and we always end up regretting it because he's got some kind of powerful role.
VOTE: Arcadia
You've been the most defensive and that's the only thing I've got to go on at this point.
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Post by jc on Dec 8, 2011 3:11:43 GMT -4
I think I know what Harvey was talking about, but not really comfortable with the Arcadia lynch.
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Post by Reaver on Dec 8, 2011 3:20:55 GMT -4
ive had some time to really think about this and i have to agree with Kaji. although im still stuck on arcadia and i WILL come back, i have noticed that harvey looks too shifty eyed to say no so....
Unvote
for now that is....
Vote: Harvey
i do wanna make note that i dont expect to make it thru the nite so if thats the case just PLEASE remember my post and think really hard at my logic.
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Post by Nick Watson on Dec 8, 2011 6:53:00 GMT -4
After going back over your posts, I suppose for now I can give you a get out of jail free card, but only because you are so damn cute, and I feel that we need to get a lynch going.
Unvote: Arcadia
Vote: Harvey
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Post by jc on Dec 8, 2011 10:05:17 GMT -4
vote: harvey
I guess there has to be a reason he was specific about the number of members of the mafia, but after I read through the write up I see three different family names. I hope you guys are right on your gut on this one.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 8, 2011 12:25:23 GMT -4
Well whether we are or not, he's lynched. No turning back now.
(Yes, I know he's not dead until Lester comes on and confirms it, but we all know how this works.)
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 8, 2011 13:50:28 GMT -4
That's a lynch. Write up when I can get to it! No more talking.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 8, 2011 21:14:29 GMT -4
Donnie Brasco is led by two bodyguards through a tight underground corridor. His location, unknown. The bodyguards brought Donnie Brasco into a large room within the underground facility where he was met by four other faces staring right back at him. The bodyguards stood behind Donnie Brasco who stepped up to the forefront.
''Hello, ladies and gentlemen. You are all here because each and every one of you have something on the mafia that can bring the entire crime syndicate down. We have the power to save this entire city from the crime, the bribary, the drugs and the violence that takes fathers away from their daughters on the daily...'' Donnie Brasco says as he drops a picture of the dead Tony Saprano on the table in-front of them. ''This is real...''
Silence is present in the room as the man known as ''Project Dark'' closes his eyes tightly as he urgerly tries to wipe a tear that drips down onto the floor below.
''Today, we're going to put another nail in the mafia's coffin. His name is Frank Lastorino; he's a high ranking member of the Lucheese Family. He enjoys ripping the tongues out of his victims and mailing them back to their families...'' Donnie Brasco says with a short pause. ''Today, Frank Lastorino is going to meet his match...''
''Yeah and how so?'' One of the innoncents ask. ''You can't just take him out like they do to others...''
''The ends justify the means, kid...'' J. Edgar Hoover says as he straightens his posture. ''We don't care how these bastards go down as long as they bite the dust and I can keep my goddamned job...''
Everyone in the room turns to Tony Montana wearing a fancy suite with a cigar in his mouth. ''What?'' he asks. ''Burry all those fucking cockroaches...''
The innoncents roll their eyes, as J. Edgar Hoover gives Tony Montana a nudge. Project Dark looks up at Donnie Brasco and nods his head side to side in a display of disagreement.
''I'm sorry...'' Donnie Brasco whispers to a dissapointed Project Dark. ''Looks like we're done here...''
Meanwhile...
Frank Lastorino finds himself on his knees begging for his life at the hands of his kidnappers. His kidnappers are low level street thus of The Gambino and Genovese Crime Families. Although they were at war both families came to an agreement to drop their arms. This agreement would allow both of them to take out a rival family and stay in the good graces of the locals, even if the peace treaty was only temporary.
''Hey, fucks! Don't do this. You don't know who you're fucking with!'' Frank Lastorino shouted as they ripped the duct tape off his mouth.
One of the local street runners dropped to a single knee in-front of Frank and Frank Lastorino did what he knew best; use that tongue to propel spit in the face of his rival. The street thug smile as he simply retrieved a pocket knife from his back pocket and slashed the throat of the full time mafia men...
The thug tossed the knife to the side and shoved his hand through the open wound. Frank Lastorino gargled on his own blood; a scream ripping through the open wound on his neck. The thug yanked and pulled until he ripped the tongue right through the neck of his victim.
They called it the columbian necktie...
Frank Lastorino died a horrible death and The Lucheese Family would later mourn the death of their family member. However, later that night the peace treaty would be over and once again shots would cry out throughout the heart of the city.
...the war continued on.
Dead day 2 (day lynch): Frank ''Big Frank'' Lastorino- Branden Harvey- Tongue cutter/jailkeeper- Of The Lucheese Family
Night 2 has begun. All night actions due @ 9:00 PM EST, Friday
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 10, 2011 0:31:19 GMT -4
We find ourselves in a funneral home. A pianist plays it's final tune. The tranquility of the sound is dubbed with sounds of crying and wheeping for the dead. Attending the funeral were Frank Lastorino's family away from home; who stood in front of his casket with their heads held high. The Lucheese Don Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso stood next to his right hand man Ettore ''Eddie'' Coco; as the two exchanged a look... a look Ettore Coco had seen many times before; he meant buisness.
''We're going to hit these motherfuckers for this shit...'' Anthony Casso hissed as he peered over the shoulder of his right hand man.
''Tonight?'' Ettore Coco asked. ''You know, they wouldn't expect us retaliating so soon...''
''And that's why we hit them tonight...'' Anthony Casso says as he pulls back on the expensive jacket he wore over his white buisness shirt; revealing a pistol. ''You notice anything different?'' Anthony Casso asked as Ettore Coco glanced back looking at several faces sitting in the pews.
''No, what is it?'' Ettore Coco asked.
''The three people sitting back there to the right...'' Anthony Casso says staring them down through the corner of their eyes. ''I ain't ever seen them in my life...''
Ettore Coco glanced back at them spotting the innoncents.
''They're with the fucking feds...'' Ettore Coco said in a venomous tone.
''Listen...'' Anthony Casso utters as straightened up his posture and calmly spoke. ''The feds got this place fucking surrounded. I can feel them. They're getting ready for a bust. We're going to shoot our way out of here if we have too... they're not taking us alive!''
Meanwhile outside the funeral home...
Donnie Brasco is acompanied by Project Dark as they both observe the funneral home with bioniculars. Several other police units are on standby ready to excute the bust. However, Donnie Brasco quickly realizes he's not alone as several vehicles tailing each-other begin to pile in the side street.
''What the fuck is going on!?'' Project Dark yelps. Donnie Brasco doesn't respond. He simply watches as a several dozen mafia men step out the vehicle. The pack of crooks are led by John ''The Teflon'' Gotti who calmly smokes a cigar as he cocks back a full automatic machine gun...
''Oh shit!'' Donnie Brasco screamed...
Inside the funeral home Anthony Casso midspeech is interrupted by a barage of bullets. Seconds later; soliders led by John ''The Teflon Don'' Gotti of the Gambino Family roll in on the funneral home. Shots by the dozens are fired into the crowd ripping through the flesh of dozens of innoncent bystanders. People scream and try to make their escape but their efforts for survival are futile against the heavy gunfire.
Anthony Casso and Ettore Coco scramble to escape as they take refuge behind the casket of their fallen solider and begin to shoot back at The Gambino Family; taking several of their soldiers out.
''Fuck!'' Anthony Casso yelled in fustration as he continues to take shots over the casket. ''When you least expect it, expect it!''
''They got us!'' Ettore Coco screamed back as he watches the three suspicious innoncents escape from the funneral home in one peice.
Anthony Casso goes to fire his gun but it's empty. He uses it as an opportunity to stop shooting and make his escape.
''Hey, boss—how are you doing over there!?'' Ettore Coco shouts as he blasts away trying to take as many of the opposing family members down as he can. ''Hey, Casso!'' He yells only to receive no answer.
Ettore Coco the ever so loyal hitman was left to die on his own.
John Gotti's right hand man Peter ''One Eye'' Gotti took a shot right to one of the support legs that held the casket up. Several more shots sent the casket tumbling over; the dead body of Frank Lastorino came tumbling out in front of Ettore Coco which only served as a fatal distraction.
Ettore Coco left without cover would meet the same fate of his dear freind; a single shot from Peter ''One Eye'' Gotti ripped through his eye socket and the bullet remained lodged in his brain. Ettore Coco doubled over as dead as a dodo.
John Gotti the diplomat merely stuffed both bodies into the casket; one on top of the other and that was the end of that.
The Gambino Family was one step closer to ruiling the entire city.
Dead night 2: Ettore ''Eddie'' Coco- CJ Gates- Hitman of The Lucheese Family
BREAKING NEWS
The Gambino Family raids The Lucheese Family funneral; kills 34, injurs 19!
Charlie ''Lucky'' Luciano watched the news in the comfort of his large mansion. As of late, the mafia don had been losing his touch. As leader of the Genovese Family, his people were dropping like flies; money was being lost in the millions and the grip they once had on the city was slowly becoming a feeble one...
Most importantly, Charlie ''Lucky'' Luciano found the death that surrounded him simply too much to bare. After drinking himself to sleep, Charlie's right hand man Giuseppe "Peter the Clutch Hand" Morello snuck into his home.
Giuseppe Morello was silent but deadly in his approach as he made his way through the home of the don.
There he found him sitting on his sofa with his eyes closed clutching a bottle of jack. The sound of the breaking glass bottle startled one of his cats... it's a shame Charlie Luciano wasn't so observant.
''I'm sorry to have to do this, boss...'' Giuseppe Morello said seconds before he rasied the gun and slipped a bullet right behind the ear of his don; killing him instantly.
Giuseppe Morello calmly walked over and picked up Charlie Lucianos prized sniper rifle and made his way from the mansion.
Can you say usurped!?
''Your death will not be in vain, Charlie...'' Giuseppe Morello uttered as he started up his car.
Dead day 3 (modkilled): Charlie ''Lucky'' Luciano- Phil Atken- Don/Godfather of the Genovese Family.
MOD NOTE: Okay, so this leaves us in an intresting spot. The town is deadlocked with the mafia in a 5-5 split. Thus, I have no choice but to jump right back into another night phase. This game is largely being played in the QT's, anyhow. Tonight the fate of the game will be determined. If a townie is killed the game continues. If a mafia is killed the game ends. So, mafia make your move wisely.
You all have until 9:00 PM EST Saturday to send me your night actions. Night three has begun. No talking.
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I was questioning how Branden Harvey managed to get 5 townies when, as far as I am aware (from the write-up), there were two mafia families and the consensus seemed to be 3 scum per family. Then he drops this 'three of three' bombshell. Something fishy is going on there.
