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Post by Level-Two on Dec 11, 2011 3:12:02 GMT -4
Donnie Brasco is sat down in a chair alongside J. Edgar Hoover. On the other side of them sits the head of the FBI who looked like he had not slept for days. Although, they had been chipping away at mafia slowly, every night he spent awake fearing that they'd find him and his three children in the name of revenge.
''I'm sorry but this is a decision that I had to make...'' The head of the FBI says as Donnie Brasco shakes his head side to side in diassapointment while J. Edgar Hoover wears a smile a mile wide across his face.
''This is bullshit and you know it...'' Donnie Brasco stabbed back at the FBI agent. ''I've busted my ass for all this and no offense to J. Edgar Hoover but we are where we are today because of me and my investigative work—not yours or anyone elses.''
''Brasco, you work has led us to 34 dead innoncents...'' The FBI agent counters.
''Yeah but even more dead mafia men...'' Donnie Brasco responds sharply. ''Wasn't it you that said the ends justify the means?'' Donnie Brasco asserts as he turns his focus to J. Edgar Hoover who grits his teeth.
''This isn't about me, Brasco.'' J. Edgar Hoover says in a passive agressive tone. ''I assure you that I take this promotion as a great responsiblity and as the new head of the FBI; we will proceed to take out these guys the right way...''
''A bullet to the back of the head sounds like justice to me...'' Donnie Brasco argues. This prompts the former head of the FBI to interrupt him.
''That isn't the kind of justice we're looking for... and if you don't watch that mouth of yours, you can join your buddies in Alcatraz because that's exactly where the rest of them are going once we're through with them...'' The former head of the FBI says. ''... and under the leadership of J. Edgar Hoover I have no doubt of his ability to deliver.''
''You're making a big mistake...'' Donnie Brasco protests. ''Where is Project Dark!?''
The former FBI agent sits up from his desk.
''That is of none of your concern...'' he shouts. ''All you need to know is that with your recent flubs you put that mans life in danger and it was up to us to fix it!''
Donnie Brasco stands up in a rage looking for a fight but J. Edgar Hoover steps up in-front of him.
''You don't want to do something you regret...'' J. Edgar Hoover says putting his hands on Donnie Brasco's chest. ''Donnie, this meeting is dismissed...''
Hours later...
A transport police vehicle carrying ''Project Dark'' makes it's way down a long narrow road. Project Dark is joined by several CIA agents there to ensure his saftey.
''So, any word on where I'm headed?'' Project Dark asks.
''To paradise...'' one of the CIA agents respond. ''Don't you worry, we're going to get you on a plane and get you somewhere safe...''
''Thanks'' Project Dark replied. ''You know, I was really worried for a...''
Suddenly, a single shot comes ripping through the vehicles windsheild nailing the driver right in the forehead. The driver is killed immediately and slumps over the wheel. With no one to man the vehicle is trails off and hits a tree.
''What the fuck is going on!?'' Project Dark yells as he recoils from the impact. The CIA agents stirred and disoriented still have the presence of mind to grab their guns and prepare to face the threat; but they are just as quickly met by heavy gunfire piercing through the vehicles body armour. The CIA agents jump out the back door and quickly find them gunned down one by one.
Seconds later, Project Dark finds himself greeted by Anthony ''Gaspipe'' Casso of the Lucheese Family who is there to intercept his ride. Anthony ''Gaspipe'' Casso drags Project Dark out of the vehicle at gunpoint and shoves him into the back of a getaway fan...
The next twenty minutes Project Dark found himself over looking an overpass; with a body of water staring up at him. Anthony Casso handcuffed Project Dark' hands behind his back; sending a clear message to the former mafia man turned informant...
It's always better to be the one who is told on; then to be the one who tells.
''Oh, by the way, nice dancing shoes...'' Anthony ''Gaspipe'' Casso mocked as he shoved Project Dark over the overpass in a fit of complete anger and distain for his enemy...
Those were no dancing shoes; those were cement blocks. Project Dark never stood a chance as the water filled his lungs and took his breath away.
Dead night three: Subject 34532# Project Dark- Nathaniel Havok- Tree stump variant/doublevoter
Day four has has begun. This day phase will end @ 9:00 PM EST Tuesday.
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 11, 2011 10:17:12 GMT -4
Well shit.
While I'm happy that the game goes on, I'm less happy about the loss of a townie. But it was bound to happen eventually. We just have to go back to root out the mafioso the old fashioned way.
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 11, 2011 11:32:10 GMT -4
Shit. Anyone have any night info?
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 11, 2011 21:49:11 GMT -4
I'm going to assume from an utter lack of posts (which is tremendously ominous, even compared to last Sunday) that we do not have any additional information, or if we do, then the person with that information isn't going to divulge it. So we're back to what we had two days ago.
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Post by Kurt on Dec 11, 2011 23:53:30 GMT -4
Miss me? Here's a topic of discussion if you want one.
I was the victim of Harvey's tongue-cutting/roleblocking Night 1. I couldn't talk Day 2, hence my lack of a presence. If you don't believe me, know that I probably would have been modkilled like Atkens had I simply not been posting.
I'll post more in the morning. Just wanted to check in.
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Post by Reaver on Dec 11, 2011 23:57:39 GMT -4
just the same info from before Arcadia.... reading back, i noticed how defensive u really got even if u dont believe it. it was definitely u being defensive. then u started to get more shifty eyed when he mentions more than 1 family which leads me to believe that u have competition on ur hands as far as scum goes. if there are two families, regardless of 2 or 3 members to each, we are twice as likely to lynch a mafia member when we do lynch. It may be a weird tactic, but I'm willing to be slightly less cautious about a lynch with the numbers stacked the way they are. We still have 3 days worth of time to talk over who we think might be scum, but I think in this scenario especially, ending in a no lynch is going to hurt us twice as bad as usual. And if Kaji is right, and there are 6 mafia in total, we will be outnumbered well before we can say WTF if one of those scum kill a town at night instead of the other family. Maybe a little machiovellian, but thats how i see it. then it almost seems as if ur drooling from the mouth that scum have a better chance of winning since we can lynch anybody and get a decent result from ur side of the stream rite? finally..... when the chance to lynch branden came up u jumped at the chance pretty quickly. like a shark in bloody waters, u took ur bite and sure enuff, he came out scum. seems to me that ur acting a lil machiovellian urself wouldnt anybody agree? Vote: Arcadia |
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 12, 2011 3:13:13 GMT -4
Are you still on me? Of course I was being defensive. You accused me of being scum. I defended myself. If I hadn't said anything you would be saying "Why haven't you responded/denied it?"
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Post by Jules on Dec 12, 2011 6:51:56 GMT -4
Are you still on me? Of course I was being defensive. You accused me of being scum. I defended myself. If I hadn't said anything you would be saying "Why haven't you responded/denied it?" I wish I had some new info to add, but unfortunately I don't. However, I do agree with Kaji that at the moment all we have to go on are any old leads. Then I read Knuckles' post and you know what, it starts to ring a few bells with me. I had my concerns about Arcadia last time around before Harvey pretty much did his whole 'look at me I am scum' thing. I largely concur with Knuckles reasoning about the 'Machiavellian' thing - that didn't seem to add to me. Random lynching is a scum tell in my eyes. On top of this I'm even more suspicious that Arcadia didn't even bother to respond directly to Knuckles' arguments against her, which is even more pertinent since Arcadia has all along vociferously expressed her entitlement to 'defend herself'. I would like to see if Arcadia has a satisfactory response to these suspicions, but until then... Vote: Arcadia |
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 12, 2011 12:01:53 GMT -4
I didn't respond to Knuckles saying I was being Machiavellian because that was my point. He took my opinion on how to play this game and is trying to twist it into something suspicious when I've said from the get go that that was how I planned on playing. If you look at where knuckles quoted me, I had said, "A little Machiavellian, but that's how i see it." Referring to how I planned on playing. Now knuckles says, "Seems like your acting a little machiavellian yourself." Well, yes. Knuckles is twisting it to seem scummy, but really, if you cut down to the heart of his argument he is saying "you've done exactly what you said you would do, therefore you are scum."
I didn't jump on a lynch for Branden, he already had a few people gunning for him and he seemed suspicious to me. So I voted for him. Just like 7 other people. I wasn't first, or last, and I explained my reason.
Now I bet you knuckles goes on to tell you how defensive this post is. I will say before that happens that it wasn't written with any sort of attitude, but just the simple intention of answering Farq's question. Detailed, sure. Defensive, no. But I'm sure that won't matter to knuckles, who has been gunning for me with little explaination from the beginning. His reasoning is sketchy at best and no matter what I say, he's going to continue to call me scum based on whatever he can get. See above, where he used me doing what I said I would to say I was being suspicious.
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Post by Reaver on Dec 12, 2011 14:19:05 GMT -4
my reasoning isnt sketchy at all. as a matter of fact part of it is based off of past experience and although it may seem irrelevant to some, but it certainly makes sense. just listening (reading) ur words this game compared with "other" games makes u sound (look) suspicious. wats funny is that u have YET to prove me wrong. everything uve said to this point squeals scum and its not wat is said but in the context of how its said. re-read the few posts u have and tell me im wrong? part of it may be in fact that u may not "know" how to act as scum yet since ur inexperienced. lesson learned  (sorry didnt mean to sound like a total prick) |
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 12, 2011 15:30:38 GMT -4
how is logical and reasonable response "squealing" anything at you?
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 12, 2011 19:31:31 GMT -4
Vote: Arcadia
Basically for the reasons people were suspicious of her yesterday and last day phase....plus one.
In her defensiveness in bickering back and forth with Knuckles (and now Farq), she has called attention away from something. I have noticed that some posts have gone missing in this thread. My post about Branden being lynched used to be at the top of page six. It now is not. Why not? Well because posts have been deleted is the obvious answer, but who would have the power to delete posts?
A mafia member.
Why would a mafioso delete posts?
To cover up something.
What would a mafia member cover up?
I don't know anything for certain, but I suspect they are covering up a slip up they made, or a good argument made against them. Going back through the thread to see what we're missing is useless (it's gone lol), so we must now ask ourselves who has something to hide.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 12, 2011 19:32:19 GMT -4
EBWOP
Lack of formatting.
Vote: Arcadia
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 12, 2011 19:42:14 GMT -4
Wouldn't L-1 be the only one who can delete/modify posts?
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 12, 2011 20:07:15 GMT -4
MOD NOTE: Just for the record; I'm unaware of any deleting of posts nor did I personally delete anything myself. I'd also like to remind everyone that deleting posts are against the rules, so don't do it.
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Post by President Jeff on Dec 12, 2011 20:32:04 GMT -4
MOD NOTE: Just for the record; I'm unaware of any deleting of posts nor did I personally delete anything myself. I'd also like to remind everyone that deleting posts are against the rules, so don't do it. Branden deleted a bunch of his post last night. He's the only one |
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Post by Michael Jennings on Dec 12, 2011 20:47:47 GMT -4
I didn't respond to Knuckles saying I was being Machiavellian because that was my point. He took my opinion on how to play this game and is trying to twist it into something suspicious when I've said from the get go that that was how I planned on playing. If you look at where knuckles quoted me, I had said, "A little Machiavellian, but that's how i see it." Referring to how I planned on playing. Now knuckles says, "Seems like your acting a little machiavellian yourself." Well, yes. Knuckles is twisting it to seem scummy, but really, if you cut down to the heart of his argument he is saying "you've done exactly what you said you would do, therefore you are scum." This right here sealed the deal for me. You are trying to turn all of this around on knuckles and make him seem like he's the one who is scum. I've seen tactics like this before and the people doing it usually are scum. It's called a 'diversion.' It is done by a scum player to twist it back around on the town player who is gunning for them. In this scenario knuckles is the town player and I'm really confident in this vote just for the fact that Arcadia has been both avoidant and defensive. For all of these reasons my vote will be on Arcadia. Vote: Arcadia |
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Post by Kurt on Dec 13, 2011 0:41:34 GMT -4
Vote: Arcadia Basically for the reasons people were suspicious of her yesterday and last day phase....plus one. In her defensiveness in bickering back and forth with Knuckles (and now Farq), she has called attention away from something. I have noticed that some posts have gone missing in this thread. My post about Branden being lynched used to be at the top of page six. It now is not. Why not? Well because posts have been deleted is the obvious answer, but who would have the power to delete posts? A mafia member. Why would a mafioso delete posts? To cover up something. What would a mafia member cover up? I don't know anything for certain, but I suspect they are covering up a slip up they made, or a good argument made against them. Going back through the thread to see what we're missing is useless (it's gone lol), so we must now ask ourselves who has something to hide. Um...kind of odd reasoning there Kaji. I'm not talking about the suspicions about Arcadia, but the deleting aspect. I don't see at all why this relates to Arcadia. All members have the ability to delete their posts, although I do agree with you that it's more likely that mafioso would do so... Except that I don't think anyone in this game would blatantly cheat. Connecting this to Arcadia doesn't make sense to me...especially when you consider that there *are* multiple mafia families, so just saying "mafia trying to cover it up" is extremely vague at this point. Which family do you think she's a part of? I'm not against voting for Arcadia, just not under fishy reasoning like this. |
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Post by brandenharvey on Dec 13, 2011 1:53:14 GMT -4
I know I'm dead. I just wanted to apologize for deleting my posts in this game. I'm going through stuff right now and I was throwing a hissy fit. I'm sorry.
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Post by Kaji Fireson on Dec 13, 2011 7:30:20 GMT -4
Well I understand that mafia isn't the reason the posts are gone now, but as a guy that once had a role that entailed deleting posts, hopefully you can see where I might reach that conclusion. I'm gonna' keep my vote on Arcadia for now since that's the only lead we have, really, and going "Well a lot of people are inactive, they're probably up to something" is
a) a shot in the dark,
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b) we'd never agree on which one to lynch.
So I'm gonna' stick to Arcadia for now. If she can convince me why she isn't a mafioso without going back to the same things she's said to get her this close to a lynching, maybe I'll back off, but not just yet.
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Post by Johnny Rebel on Dec 13, 2011 14:06:58 GMT -4
What's there to say at this point? We're several "days" in and have nothing more than what we started with.
I'll agree that Arcadia seems a bit off considering her normal gameplay is a little more active. She has kind of been hiding in the background until being called out which is a classic scum move but that's not enough to throw the hammer down yet. Either we're at disadvantage role wise with the more powerful ones going to Mafia or those with powerful, information-gleaning roles are the ones who have been inactive.
At this point, we've got to do something. Arcadia seems like the likely target but I'm willing to allow her to defend herself against some of the latest accusations.
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 13, 2011 17:28:09 GMT -4
I'll be honest with you, I don't even know what the latest accusations are. Are there new ones? I'm quite frankly really surprised to still be alive. And you're right, I haven't been as active. Usually I'll post back and forth a few times a day because there is usually a conversation going on. Or an argument. I haven't been as active because in case you haven't noticed, there really isn't much going on here right now, except for the constant poking at me. And the more I respond to those accusations, the closer to a lynch I get. So, I'm being quiet.
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Post by Reaver on Dec 13, 2011 23:52:18 GMT -4
what is taking so long? will somebody vote and finish this scum lynch so we can move on?
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Post by Jules on Dec 14, 2011 11:42:56 GMT -4
We need a vote! Come on people your town needs you! It should be plain to see for all and sundry that Arcadia is scum. There have been plenty of arguments proffered, and all make a convincing case. Rebel/Noble I fear for you because there is no shadowy reasoning going on here. You have yourselves admitted Arcadia is an old lead, so let's act. I summarize once again for her obvious scumtells: - Advocating a random lynch when it had no benefit to the town, only mafia.
- Playing Machiavellian is obvious scumplay, why does an honourable townsman need to play this game through deception and duplicitous tactics - it's what separates us from them and makes us 'shine like a jewel for itself'.
- Too self-interested; she went from saying nothing to defending herself vociferously to not saying anything again, citing that it will only get her into trouble; classic double psychology = obvious scumtell
- She has not given a satisfactory explanation to any of the above and counterclaims that Knuckles and the like are merely 'after her'.
Without your vote we, the town, can only suffer further at the devious manipulations of this scum. Failure in this matter can mean only one of two things: a) failure of rational faculties, or, worse still b) you are in league with the devil herself. |
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Post by Kurt on Dec 14, 2011 13:00:14 GMT -4
We need a vote! Come on people your town needs you! It should be plain to see for all and sundry that Arcadia is scum. There have been plenty of arguments proffered, and all make a convincing case. Rebel/Noble I fear for you because there is no shadowy reasoning going on here. You have yourselves admitted Arcadia is an old lead, so let's act. I summarize once again for her obvious scumtells: - Advocating a random lynch when it had no benefit to the town, only mafia.
- Playing Machiavellian is obvious scumplay, why does an honourable townsman need to play this game through deception and duplicitous tactics - it's what separates us from them and makes us 'shine like a jewel for itself'.
- Too self-interested; she went from saying nothing to defending herself vociferously to not saying anything again, citing that it will only get her into trouble; classic double psychology = obvious scumtell
- She has not given a satisfactory explanation to any of the above and counterclaims that Knuckles and the like are merely 'after her'.
Without your vote we, the town, can only suffer further at the devious manipulations of this scum. Failure in this matter can mean only one of two things: a) failure of rational faculties, or, worse still b) you are in league with the devil herself. Rational faculties? Let me show you rational faculties. Most of the arguments made against Arcadia are just *weak*. I don't see why we're gripping on to such misguided logic here in an attempt for a lynch. I'll start with Knuckles assessment on Day 2. clue #1: she was pretty quiet during day 1. now that might not seem like much now, its a start.- Most of the players were quiet day 1...and two of the most active players were Blade and Harvey. In such a stacked game like this, the activity on day 1 shouldn't be a label because it applies to multiple people. clue #2: she clears branden with very little logic to the post she FINALLY got out to us meaning to me that she is clearing him because she knows something we all dont. not to mention her shock when she finds out about another possible mafia family?- I want you to look at her original post, especially the words "guess" and "unless." They're called hedges. They're words used when you're not sure of the validity of your statement. Not to mention because Harvey/Blade are in different families, this turned out to be just that: a guess. I asked Kaji what family he believes Arcadia is in, and not on person has made a guess. By the way...I was shocked too. So were others. A moot point. clue #3: this may or may not mean much but keep this in mind. out of all the mafia games that has been played thus far, she has ALWAYS been town. would it or would it not make sense that she be given the opportunity to try the dark side?- Roles are randomized, so this is a moot point. I don't believe L1 blatantly gave people specific roles and alignments. Now, onto Julius... Advocating a random lynch when it had no benefit to the town, only mafia.- Except...you know...she was right. Think about it like this: when town are in the majority, a randomly guessed lynch hurts them. When mafia are in the majority, who does a random lynch hurt? Them. It's a statistical advantage, not a scumtell. But, Arcadia never advocated for a "random" lynch. She just mentioned that the numbers meant we were more likely to lynch a scum...which is TRUE. Playing Machiavellian is obvious scumplay, why does an honourable townsman need to play this game through deception and duplicitous tactics - it's what separates us from them and makes us 'shine like a jewel for itself'.- Deception? What deception? This is the exact same argument simply restated differently. The figurative language is quite nice in this point, but it's an argument with absolutely no foundation or specificity. Too self-interested; she went from saying nothing to defending herself vociferously to not saying anything again, citing that it will only get her into trouble; classic double psychology = obvious scumtell- I'll give you this one, because it is somewhat true....note the *somewhat*. It's obvious that whatever Arcadia says, it's going to get twisted. She's made some good points that have been totally twisted, and she's just been called "defensive" because of her attempts to explain. It's weak counter-arguing to throw out the defensive card. But, like I said, shutting up does prove she's not willing to defend herself anymore. She has not given a satisfactory explanation to any of the above and counterclaims that Knuckles and the like are merely 'after her'.- If such misguided logic was being used against me, I might shut up too! She has given explanations...they've just been ignored. Then there's Kaji's point...which was already debunked by L1, Jeff, and Harvey. What is astounding me right now is why we're clinging to such nonsense being labeled as logic against Arcadia. Julius himself admits it's an "old lead," so thus, we should act? I'm probably going to get labeled as scum or overly defensive for this...but you know what I'm really doing? Not throwing myself off the cliff because the blind man told me to. There's your Machiavellian approach. |
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 14, 2011 14:28:11 GMT -4
@kurt: Thank you.
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Post by Level-Two on Dec 14, 2011 15:33:46 GMT -4
For the record, I forgot to call the deadline. However, since they're is about 6 and a half hours left on the clock and one day has almost been entirely inactive to begin with; the deadline will be 9:00 PM EST Today.
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Post by Jules on Dec 14, 2011 16:29:35 GMT -4
We need a vote! Come on people your town needs you! It should be plain to see for all and sundry that Arcadia is scum. There have been plenty of arguments proffered, and all make a convincing case. Rebel/Noble I fear for you because there is no shadowy reasoning going on here. You have yourselves admitted Arcadia is an old lead, so let's act. I summarize once again for her obvious scumtells: - Advocating a random lynch when it had no benefit to the town, only mafia.
- Playing Machiavellian is obvious scumplay, why does an honourable townsman need to play this game through deception and duplicitous tactics - it's what separates us from them and makes us 'shine like a jewel for itself'.
- Too self-interested; she went from saying nothing to defending herself vociferously to not saying anything again, citing that it will only get her into trouble; classic double psychology = obvious scumtell
- She has not given a satisfactory explanation to any of the above and counterclaims that Knuckles and the like are merely 'after her'.
Without your vote we, the town, can only suffer further at the devious manipulations of this scum. Failure in this matter can mean only one of two things: a) failure of rational faculties, or, worse still b) you are in league with the devil herself. Rational faculties? Let me show you rational faculties. Most of the arguments made against Arcadia are just *weak*. I don't see why we're gripping on to such misguided logic here in an attempt for a lynch. I'll start with Knuckles assessment on Day 2. clue #1: she was pretty quiet during day 1. now that might not seem like much now, its a start.- Most of the players were quiet day 1...and two of the most active players were Blade and Harvey. In such a stacked game like this, the activity on day 1 shouldn't be a label because it applies to multiple people. clue #2: she clears branden with very little logic to the post she FINALLY got out to us meaning to me that she is clearing him because she knows something we all dont. not to mention her shock when she finds out about another possible mafia family?- I want you to look at her original post, especially the words "guess" and "unless." They're called hedges. They're words used when you're not sure of the validity of your statement. Not to mention because Harvey/Blade are in different families, this turned out to be just that: a guess. I asked Kaji what family he believes Arcadia is in, and not on person has made a guess. By the way...I was shocked too. So were others. A moot point. clue #3: this may or may not mean much but keep this in mind. out of all the mafia games that has been played thus far, she has ALWAYS been town. would it or would it not make sense that she be given the opportunity to try the dark side?- Roles are randomized, so this is a moot point. I don't believe L1 blatantly gave people specific roles and alignments. Now, onto Julius... Advocating a random lynch when it had no benefit to the town, only mafia.- Except...you know...she was right. Think about it like this: when town are in the majority, a randomly guessed lynch hurts them. When mafia are in the majority, who does a random lynch hurt? Them. It's a statistical advantage, not a scumtell. But, Arcadia never advocated for a "random" lynch. She just mentioned that the numbers meant we were more likely to lynch a scum...which is TRUE. Playing Machiavellian is obvious scumplay, why does an honourable townsman need to play this game through deception and duplicitous tactics - it's what separates us from them and makes us 'shine like a jewel for itself'.- Deception? What deception? This is the exact same argument simply restated differently. The figurative language is quite nice in this point, but it's an argument with absolutely no foundation or specificity. Too self-interested; she went from saying nothing to defending herself vociferously to not saying anything again, citing that it will only get her into trouble; classic double psychology = obvious scumtell- I'll give you this one, because it is somewhat true....note the *somewhat*. It's obvious that whatever Arcadia says, it's going to get twisted. She's made some good points that have been totally twisted, and she's just been called "defensive" because of her attempts to explain. It's weak counter-arguing to throw out the defensive card. But, like I said, shutting up does prove she's not willing to defend herself anymore. She has not given a satisfactory explanation to any of the above and counterclaims that Knuckles and the like are merely 'after her'.- If such misguided logic was being used against me, I might shut up too! She has given explanations...they've just been ignored. Then there's Kaji's point...which was already debunked by L1, Jeff, and Harvey. What is astounding me right now is why we're clinging to such nonsense being labeled as logic against Arcadia. Julius himself admits it's an "old lead," so thus, we should act? I'm probably going to get labeled as scum or overly defensive for this...but you know what I'm really doing? Not throwing myself off the cliff because the blind man told me to. There's your Machiavellian approach. Thanks Kurt, you've done more to confirm my suspicions than I could ever have done. |
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Post by Jules on Dec 14, 2011 16:40:38 GMT -4
Now, onto Julius... Advocating a random lynch when it had no benefit to the town, only mafia.- Except...you know...she was right. Think about it like this: when town are in the majority, a randomly guessed lynch hurts them. When mafia are in the majority, who does a random lynch hurt? Them. It's a statistical advantage, not a scumtell. But, Arcadia never advocated for a "random" lynch. She just mentioned that the numbers meant we were more likely to lynch a scum...which is TRUE. I will only respond to this one counterargument because, unfortunately, it is the only one that has any argumentation in it, and this is fallacious too. At the time we knew of two mafia families, there were 13 players in the game, and it was assumed that there were no more than 3 mafioso in each family. I'm no maths boffin but this means no more than 6 mafioso, which leaves 7 townsfolk. Like I said, I'm no maths boffin, but how does a random lynch statistically favour the town when the mafia in the minority? Unless, of course, you are scum and you knew at that point there were more than two clan of scum. Hmmm..... One question for you Kurt - why is it necessary for you to make such a vociferous defense of another player in this game (at this stage)? She's a smart girl, she can take care of herself - do you have vested interest that needs protecting? |
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Post by Arcadia on Dec 14, 2011 16:53:18 GMT -4
That's right Julius. Just jump on everything. You'll get one right eventually. Maybe Kurt's vested interest is to not get another townie killed, thank you.
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