PERSONA 4 MAFIA GAME THREAD (COMPLETED)

[Rhonda Vixen]

I am taking in everything before I voted.

[Aspen Chaud]

I have a hard time going against the Alex votes just based off what I've read, there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe Blade isn't Town. So I'll let him explain himself further but seems like he's trying to hard to throw a wrench into it.

Vote: Alex Castellanos

[Kaji Fireson]

Vote Count

Alex Castellanos 5 Votes (3 more to lynch)

• Blade
• Johnny Rebel
• T-Marv
• Aspen Chaud
• 

Not Voting:

• Kurt Noble
• C. J. Gates
• Phil Atken
• JamesV
• JC
• Jimmy Helmsley
• Alex Castellanos
• Rhonda Vixen
• Farquhar

Deadline is Wednesday, January 11th, at 8:59 PM Eastern (about 25 hours)

Mod Note: My ability to add up hours in mornings really sucks, doesn't it?

[C.J. Gates]

Sorry for the delay, been trying to get adjusted to everything happening and manage my time better. Should have more time now that others are in school.

As for the Alex situation...something about him is drawing flags. He keeps pointing at Blade who is the only one we know is confirmed town at this point (and the mod has backed it) which just stands out to me. Sure, I won't say 100% that Blade is town, but right now I'm willing to look elsewhere to try and find scum. And right now, I'm going to roll the dice with this vote since, as Blade pointed out, we can't go another game with very few lynches.

Vote: Alex

[Rhonda Vixen]

voted: Alex

the reason for my vote. It was confirmed by the mod about Blade been town and he kept on bringing up he there a chance he not. Also he kind of threw Aspen under the bus in away.

[Kaji Fireson]

Vote Count

Alex Castellanos 7 Votes (1 more to lynch)

• Blade
• Johnny Rebel
• T-Marv
• Aspen Chaud
• Rhonda Vixen
• C. J. Gates
• 

Not Voting:

• Kurt Noble
• Phil Atken
• JamesV
• JC
• Jimmy Helmsley
• Alex Castellanos
• Farquhar

Deadline is Wednesday, January 11th, at 8:59 PM Eastern (about 26 hours)

Mod Note: My ability to add up hours in mornings in general really sucks, doesn't it?

[Alex Castellanos]

Dear lord people...

Ok, Kaji said it wasn't a mistake that Blade was listed as a town, but it may be misleading us. That's all I'm saying.

One thing we can all agree on: someone would have done something to Blade last night. Someone would have protected him, tried to kill him, something. Well, not a damn thing happened. Everyone ignored him. Everyone.

That is fishy as hell to me, and that is why I wanted to check once more. It just doesn't make any sense. I said I was done talking about it for this day phase, and now I am one vote away from a lynch because yall wont let it go. I was going to check again during the night phase, and come to a conclusion.

It also should be noted that Blade, Rebel, or T-Marv could have a double voting ability... or someone could be allowed to vote silently.

[Jules]

Vote: Alex Castellanos

I have the same suspicions as most of you, and I'm not at all convinced by this 'I'll tell you more in the next day phase' business. Sounds like scum playing for time to me. The lynch looks inevitable, so consider this the nail in the coffin and now we can move on.

I just hope we haven't jumped the gun.

[Michael Jennings]

Jesus you guys bandwagoned WAY too quickly. There's definite scum on that wagon. Not Blade but the people who jumped on like sharks the moment they smelled blood in the water. IF Alex comes back as town those are the people I'm looking at. I look at it like this. At least the guy had the balls to be a skeptic about Blade. I've seen games with stunts like the Blade thing and it ended up said player was scum. Not liking the quickness of this at all.

[Johnny Rebel]

Jan 10, 2012 9:33:36 GMT -4 Alex Castellanos said:

I said I'm done for the day on that subject. Your vote can stand, and I will either admit I was wrong, or go all in on this subject tomorrow.

This is the part that sold me... no bandwagon. What's his post even supposed to mean? He basically says he's not going to defend himself (when he hasn't really done so to begin with) and follows it with, "if you vote for me and it stays that way and I'm still alive then I'll participate."

There isn't a lot to see here.

[T-Marv]

Is L-1 active on any interfed communities where other people play mafia? I had no idea this guy was a mafia player of the year, so I'd assume that only APW people would really know that.

That sold me... It was just too fishy.

[Kurt]

Jan 10, 2012 21:24:34 GMT -4 Michael Jennings said:

Jesus you guys bandwagoned WAY too quickly. There's definite scum on that wagon. Not Blade but the people who jumped on like sharks the moment they smelled blood in the water. IF Alex comes back as town those are the people I'm looking at. I look at it like this. At least the guy had the balls to be a skeptic about Blade. I've seen games with stunts like the Blade thing and it ended up said player was scum. Not liking the quickness of this at all.

A quick lynch could definitely be a sign that scum are desperate, after having their Hitman dead and one confirmed townie. I agree, it's interesting to watch less than active people jump in on a vote.

I don't believe Alex C would have vocally stuck out his neck if he was scum...because with such a large game for APW, there's no need to bring out a controversial theory if you're scum. Sit back, and let paranoid town members do it for you, and then jump on the bandwagon.

You know...like what just happened.

[Alex Castellanos]

Well, I suppose I might as well get some final words out before my lynch goes final.

When it comes back that I am town, think about what I said. I've hinted at my role, and it will be super clear when I end up dying. Something is fishy as hell about Blade, and it makes it even worse because he wasted no time starting a bandwagon to lynch me.

I'm an aggressive player, Blade knows it and T-Marv knows it. They don't want me hanging around, so they started a bandwagon on me. I think one of them is scum for sure, so do me a favor, I guess as my dying wish, and drill them tomorrow, alright?

Analyze what I said, and you will have gotten all the information out of me that you could possibly need.

Oh, and by the way, screw you Aspen, I thought we were friends!

I'll see you folks when I walk through the curtain as the 5th participant in the Survive and Conquer match, hopefully that goes better than my APW mafia debut.

Rah, go team!

[Kaji Fireson]

Still at the secret headquarters, the group of teenagers investigating the strange serial murders have gathered, trying to figure out what to do now that their guide in the TV World was dead.

"I wonder who could have gotten to him...I mean, I was only gone for a minute..."

"There's no use in blaming yourself, Yosuke."

Yukiko Amagi, a girl usually quite reserved and not very touchy, gently pats Yosuke's shoulder.

"Whoever got Teddie was very quick, and very smart. No one saw him, and he has escaped notice so far, now claiming three lives, since Mitsuo was only responsible for Mr. Morooka."

"Yeah, but he got Teddie!" Chie Satonaka, a boisterous second year, was leaning forward in her seat. "They killed the only person...bear...thing that knew how to escape from that world, AND the only TV that was linked to the exit."

"Yes, it is highly unlikely that we would be able to escape from that place, even if we somehow managed to find our way back to the studio." Naoto Shirogane, a first year that comes from a long line of detectives, has a ponderous expression on her face. "We would be able to protect anyone we see on the Midnight Channel for a time, but with no way out, it would simply prolong the inevitable, and result in our deaths as well."

Kanji Tatsumi scowls, pounding the table and shaking everyone's drinks. "You mean that power we gained in that hell is useless now? What the hell has been the point of all this shit, then?"

Rise Kujikawa furrows her brow, deep in thought. Yu Narukami, the transfer student staying with Detective Dojima, nudges her lightly with his shoulder to pull her from her reverie.

"Oh, sorry..."

"Is something wrong, Rise?"

"Well...I was just thinking that I have the same power that Teddie did. I can sense shadows, and I do support in battle...so what if I could do other things that Teddie could do?"

"I presume you mean summoning televisions with which to pass back into the real world?"

"Mm-hmm."

Yukiko shakes her head rigorously, deep black hair whipping about. "I don't like it."

Yosuke shrugs. "I don't know...I agree that it's stupidly dangerous, but do we have any better ideas?"

The party pondered this for a moment. It was clear that they did not. Rise then stood up, a look of determination on her face.

"Then I'm going to do it. I'm going to go in there and find a way to get back out so we can keep on saving people from the killer!"

And before they could stop her, she stalked off into the electronics department. Yu and Kanji get up as though to follow, but Naoto jumps to her feet as well.

"Wait!" The guys stop to see what she has to say. "If she gets into the TV World and can't figure out how to summon a portal back to this world, she will die; it's going to be foggy again tonight. If that is the case, and you two follow her in, our strength will be at a severe disadvantage!"

After some grumbling, the guys came back to sit down and wait.

After about twenty minutes, everyone got worried.

After about an hour, everyone was scared.

When Rise fails to come back after two hours, everyone has that sinking feeling in their stomach. They know what's going to happen, what might have already happened.

Six teenagers shed silent tears for their fallen comrade.

Dead Day Two: Alex Castellanos -- Rise Kujikawa -- Watcher



Night action deadline will be Wednesday, January 11th at 11:59 PM EST.

That is a teeny bit less than 24 hours from when I announced the lynch, so I will be a LITTLE lenient this time, but you should still do your best to get the actions in ASAP. I plan on taking any actions sent in before I get up in the morning. So get to it.

[Kaji Fireson]

I have edited in the write-up I promised you. I would prefer all actions be in before the deadline, which is three hours and thirty minutes from the time I post this, but as I say in that post, as long as it's in before I get up tomorrow morning, I will count it.

Of course, if everything is in tonight before I go to bed, I can get everything done to get day three going tonight, which adds some incentive.

So GO GO GO GO GO

[Kaji Fireson]

Once it was clear that they were not going to see Rise alive again, Kanji jumped up from his seat again.

"Kanji, no! It's too dangerous!"

"Fuck this shit! If we fought for all this time, just to wind up back at square one again, then I'm going to go down swinging. That killer better hope he's not in there, because if he is, I'm taking him down with me!"

Kanji charges into the electronics department as well. The rest of them give chase, trying to stop him, but before they can, he dives headlong into the nearest TV big enough to accommodate such an action. The rest of the party stops short, Yukiko falling to her knees.

"Kanji-kun..."

Yosuke punches the wall next to the TV that's still rippling from the entrance of the punk brawler. "So much death...why is this happening? WE WERE SO CLOSE!"

Yosuke punches the wall again. Eventually everyone agrees that mourning and anger will do nothing and they all go their separate ways, trying to relax and get a grip on themselves after the abrupt loss of three of their newest, closest friends.

For Yu, that meant going back to the Dojima residence. He couldn't hide it from his uncle anymore. Once Dojima found out that Rise, Teddie, and Kanji all died at the hands of the serial killer in such short order, including two on the same night, he would know something was up. He had to tell his uncle everything tomorrow.

But for now, he goes back to his room and rests, awaiting the inevitable sirens. He knows that in the morning, Rise and Kanji will be discovered much like Teddie and the other victims, but if he's going to be of any use to the campaign against the murderer responsible for Teddie, his homeroom teacher, and the first two incidents, he would have to have his wits about him.

It proved tremendously difficult to fall asleep, but eventually he did, and when he woke, as he expected, sirens were blaring all over Inaba.

Dead Night Two: JamesV -- Kanji Tatsumi -- Vengeful Townie



Dead List
Mayumi Yamano -- Reporter
Saki Konishi -- Townie
Kinshiro Morooka -- Teacher
Mitsuo Kubo -- Serial Killer
Yarmouth -- Taro Namatame -- Hitman
Level One -- Teddie -- Tracker
Alex Castellanos -- Rise Kujikawa -- Watcher
JamesV -- Kanji Tatsumi -- Vengeful Townie



Player List:

1. Kurt Noble
2. Johnny Rebel
3. C. J. Gates
4. Level One
5. Phil Atken
6. Blade
7. JamesV
8. JC
9. T-Marv
10. Jimmy Helmsley
11. Yarmouth
12. Alex Castellanos
13. Rhonda Vixen
14. Farquhar
15. Aspen Chaud

With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day Two Deadline is Saturday, January 14th at 8:59 PM Eastern Standard Time

[Jules]

I haven't read the write-up properly (will do so later), but we've lost Alex and JamesV - both town. I assume JamesV was targeted by those scum who succeeded in getting that bandwagon rolling on Alex because his suspicions were perceived as a threat.

We are in a very precarious position here my fellow townies, and the scum are taking us for a ride. We need to be very careful and much more thorough about our next lynch.

I'm going to read the write-up and re-read everything posted over the past two day phases and see if I can find some hint at to who the scum might be. I urge you all to do the same.

[Blade]

Right, because we dont really have a voice, I am going to be that voice and say what I have to go on.

I went for alex yesterday because to me he seemed the best option.

Jan 10, 2012 23:46:56 GMT -4 Alex Castellanos said:

When it comes back that I am town, think about what I said. I've hinted at my role, and it will be super clear when I end up dying.

Alex never once hinted at his role and being a watcher could have actually come out and given us some info yesterday, however he didnt. Would have been nice of him to actually share something with us instead of trying to play the fool.


As of Day play because That's all I have to go on..

Jan 10, 2012 16:39:05 GMT -4 Rhonda Vixen said:

I am taking in everything before I voted.

Jan 10, 2012 19:32:51 GMT -4 Rhonda Vixen said:

voted: Alex

the reason for my vote. It was confirmed by the mod about Blade been town and he kept on bringing up he there a chance he not. Also he kind of threw Aspen under the bus in away.

Rhonda took 3 hours to "take everything in" and then came back and hopped on the Alex vote. To me this seemed like a stall tactic, but added very little to the game and sped up the lynch.

Jan 10, 2012 17:39:31 GMT -4 Aspen Chaud said:

I have a hard time going against the Alex votes just based off what I've read, there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe Blade isn't Town. So I'll let him explain himself further but seems like he's trying to hard to throw a wrench into it.

Vote: Alex Castellanos

Aspen, please note the point highlighted.

I will let him explain himself further, but without letting him do anything I am going to place my vote on him right now and not even give him a chance.



On the vote:
Blade, Rebel, Tmarv, Aspen, Rhonda, CJ, Farquar and hidden voter

Not on the vote:
Kurt Noble, Phil Atken, JamesV, JC, Jimmy Helmsley,Alex Castellanos


Now the deadline of the day was fast approaching, and to be fair alot of people came on and complained that the band Wagon went to fast, We had a few hours left of the day phase, yet you all turn up to say it went too fast??

If it had gone any slower the day would have ended.

Up until the point Alex was lynched there were 35 posts (no including vote counts)

HALF of those were Mine and Farquar's

Aspen turned up to have a joke and vote Alex
Rhonda made one stall post and one vote post
JC didnt turn in
Helmsley made one activity post
Atken failed to show



So before people come in and say that the BW went too fast, you guys either need to start coming up with something or this game is going to go nowhere.


I am guessing a team of 3/4 mafia. One is already dead we know that.


We have seen a Watcher and Vengeful townie die.

However, making a guess of things, Surely we have a Roleblocker? Surely we have a doc? Surely we have a Cop?

Yet no one will say anything about anyone which will bring us to the same point as we were at on the last day phase

[Kurt]

Blade, it didn't surprise me that a lynch had been reached...it just surprised me in the manner that it was reached. Like you said, a lot of people came out of nowhere and piled on a vote. That sends off a lot of red flags to me. Even if there were 4 scum to start (now 3), we weren't desperate for a lynch on day 2...so seeing one happen based off what we had was surprising. I also was gone all of Tuesday (I have no posts on the board until after the vote had been reached), so I couldn't speak on it until afterwards.

I'll agree, Alex C should have done more to help his case...because I went back and looked through his posts. I didn't get "watcher" from his posts...I got "bulletproof." He constantly made references to explaining things on the *next* day, which he would only know that he made it to if he couldn't be killed at night.

We're not in the same boat as we were yesterday though...because now we have people who have laid down votes. We can analyze that and look for patterns/inconsistencies/etc.. To me, the people that latched onto the bandwagon for a cliche reason are the most to be suspected.

My guess is no one is sharing because no one has anything credible yet...just leads/night actions that turned into nothing. But, in the interest of generating some discussion for the day, I'll share what I have:

Assuming there is *not* a SK, CJ Gates and Tmarv are NOT the Godfather. That's all I have.

[Aspen Chaud]

I think the reason we may be lacking in any sort of new information is the fact that Phil Atken, JC, & Jimmy Helmsley haven't really been involved. Either they are just not really active in it, or they are sitting back and watching. Just saying that the secret voter could have been any one of them or Noble at this point. Atken, JC, and Helmsley either made the vote quietly or have really gone AWOL since the beginning of the game which would not benefit us at all. Helmsley hasn't been on since the 10th and the others haven't posted much.

So while I'd consider Helmsley gone and his role essentially no help to anyone. The other two were at least slightly active in conversations. Maybe I am grasping at straws but one of the votes had to be an unexplained one that was sent in privately so unless Helmsley sent it rather early. JC, Noble, or Atken had to have made the secret vote. Unless JamesV made the vote in which case it really doesn't give anything away.

Just something I gathered from trying to get any info I could.

I will let him explain himself further, but without letting him do anything I am going to place my vote on him right now and not even give him a chance.

Aspen turned up to have a joke and vote Alex.

I figured I could change my vote if I wanted to later and had I seen his last post I might actually have done that. Just the vibes he was giving me was that he was using his “I’ll have more info” later thing as being his way of trying to get another day.

As for the joke, I’ve honestly never played Mafia that’s this serious so I was used to days opening up sort of slowly.

[C.J. Gates]

Jan 12, 2012 14:58:31 GMT -4 Blade said:

Rhonda took 3 hours to "take everything in" and then came back and hopped on the Alex vote. To me this seemed like a stall tactic, but added very little to the game and sped up the lynch.

To further this, she waited until two more votes had been placed on Alex before putting one on herself. She wasn't the hammer, but she basically tipped this in the favor of lynching Alex.

I know I won't be seen as squeaky clean because I was involved on that lynch, but I was honestly getting a bad vibe from him. He wasn't really defending himself, since the main reason he was getting votes he "didn't want to talk about anymore" and just kept sidestepping any questions thrown his way to try and help him out (or seemed that way anyways).

I don't have any night info that much I can tell you. And while I don't I can only go off of what I see and while I don't normally use past games...it always seems like Rebel sits back and waits for moments to strike in with a vote of an accusing finger. I understand time is a factor (I've been finding very little of it lately, though I'm aiming to change that) last day phase he posted once to simply vote Alex.

Other than that, it's obvious that whoever is leading the scum team (either Godfather or one of it's members) is either experienced in a number areas Mafia is played, or here in APW, since they took out Level One and James who are usually two of our more vocal/active people. There are a few names that would fit that role IMO, though none that I can hammer on with a vote at this point.

[C.J. Gates]

EBWOP

My bad, Rebel had one other post that day, after the lynch had been reached. Doesn't exactly remove him from my line of suspicion though.

[T-Marv]

I may have been roleblocked last night.

I am sure that a mafia member was on the lynch last night.... no doubt about it, and yes, I was on the lynch as well. I made my reasons perfectly clear. Alex was acting more scum than anyone i've seen in a long time. Turns out that is just his manner of play.

I also think that we have to look at those severely pointing at the people on the lynch list as well. That's a very convienent way to call attention away from yourself.

[Rhonda Vixen]

I am still learning all of this but after i re-read some of Alex posts to me it hint out to me as mafia. So that why I voted like I had. I was wrong but it wasn't only me. It seems everyone was wrong around here but we have to remember who was the first one to start on voting for him. We need to look towards them.

[Blade]

Jan 12, 2012 15:35:42 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Assuming there is *not* a SK, CJ Gates and Tmarv are NOT the Godfather. That's all I have.

I am interested in this comment.

You say they are not the Godfather, but yet you dont clear them of being scum

[Kurt]

Jan 13, 2012 8:08:42 GMT -4 Blade said:

Jan 12, 2012 15:35:42 GMT -4 Kurt said:

Assuming there is *not* a SK, CJ Gates and Tmarv are NOT the Godfather. That's all I have.

I am interested in this comment.

You say they are not the Godfather, but yet you dont clear them of being scum

That would be because I can't officialy clear them as scum...only as not being the Godfather.

[Blade]

I understand that.

I was just speaking out loud, because I have a feeling about tmarv. (yes you can come back and say WTF, but its just a feeling, sorry bud)

[T-Marv]

Understandable Blade... you're feeling is wrong, but understandable.

Here's the thing, we really need a GOOD lynch today. Is it worth looking at the inactives? (Jimmy helmley, Phil Atken, JC)

As for my information, here's what I got from my last two nights.....

I am not Crazy
I was (most likely) roleblocked

[Blade]

Jan 13, 2012 10:31:50 GMT -4 T-Marv said:

Understandable Blade... you're feeling is wrong, but understandable.

Here's the thing, we really need a GOOD lynch today. Is it worth looking at the inactives? (Jimmy helmley, Phil Atken, JC)

As for my information, here's what I got from my last two nights.....

I am not Crazy
I was (most likely) roleblocked

IF that is true then this guy needs to be protected, or we need to hit the mafia roleblocker up.

I cant see anyone counter claiming, but I could be wrong.

If this is true, then my feelings about Tmarv are way off, and I head back to Aspen and Rhonda

[C.J. Gates]

We could see about an inactive, but if they are truly inactive, we won't find much out aside from piling up votes and lynching someone that might just be a townie, which puts us back to square one. I don't know if any of them have actually said anything incriminating (I'd have to read back through the thread to see if that is true or not).

Though, on that same note, JC has been a pretty active player when needed to be in the past, and has also played enough here on APW to notice the trends and who people seem to gravitate toward in terms of vocal presence (IE: leading kills on L1 and James).